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Scientist Organizes Resistance To Polygraphs

George Maschke writes "Brad Holian, a senior scientist at Los Alamos National Laboratory, is using a blog to organize resistance to plans for random polygraph and drug testing of Lab scientists. Holian writes: 'Polygraphy is an insulting affront to scientists, since a committee of the National Academy of Sciences has declared that, beyond being inadmissible in court, there is no scientific basis for polygraphs. In my opinion, by agreeing to be polygraphed, one thereby seriously jeopardizes his or her claim to being a scientist, which is presumably the principal reason for employment for many scientists at Los Alamos.'"

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  1. Polygraphs work--sorta by PurifyYourMind · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The idea is to convince people to *believe* that the polygraph machine is scientific and will detect their lies so that they're more likely to not lie, or are nervous while questioning, or even don't take the test at all and just spill it beforehand. It's psychological intimidation, kind of like forcing confessions of bad thoughts in a cult environment. That's one reason you see those "you shall not be subjected to polygraphs at work" posters at your job... a nasty employer could really intimidate people (e.g. union organizers) with it.

    1. Re:Polygraphs work--sorta by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So polygraph is a very expensive baseball bat?

      "It would be a shame if something were to happen with your kneecaps..."

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  2. Re:Polygraphs ... by ximenes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think this is about work performance at all, rather its about ferreting out people who are more susceptible to being forced into stealing government secrets or who might do so on their own without coercion.

    If I have a serious heroin problem, I may get myself into so much debt and other trouble that I wind up being used by some foreign spy group or something (if I worked at Los Alamos of course). Or maybe I don't want my habit getting out and therefore can be blackmailed. That sort of thing. This is similar to how homosexual people have been targetted in prior decades; not because a gay person can't do the work, but because having this secret you really want to keep means you can be blackmailed with it.

  3. Re:Bad Logic by tom's+a-cold · · Score: 5, Insightful
    By that logic because religion has no scientific basis, anyone who is religious cannot also be a scientist.
    Yeah, that's right. There are some scientists who also happen to be religious, but that's only because of the amazing human ability to compartmentalize conflicting aspects of their lives and turn a blind eye to the inherent hypocrisy.

    The guy's right, by the way. For similar reasons, I've walked off jobs because I refuse to be piss-tested. I don't do drugs, I'm an infrequent drinker, nearest to a chemical vice is drinking too much espresso, but as a matter of principle, it's none of their goddamned business. And I've never gone a day without being employed. The only reason not to stand up to the bastards is cowardice, or the all-American tendency to grovel before any authority, no matter how illegitimate or irrational.

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