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Clearing Up Holiday Sales Rumours

Gamespot's regular 'Rumor Control' column tackles some confusion around who had the most holiday sales among the three new consoles. A CNBC broadcast prompted GamesIndustry.biz to proclaim the 360 the winner, with some 2 Million in sales. The Wii followed closely behind with 1.8 Million, and the PS3 followed that number with 750,000. The catch here is that, while it's possible a viewer could have assumed this was official NPD data, it wasn't. From the article: "The segment is an interview with Billy Pidgeon, an analyst with IT market intelligence firm IDC. In it, a graphic appears on screen showing estimated console sales in North America for November through December 25, 2006. The numbers match up with the figures being attributed to the NPD, but CNBC attributes IDC as its source on them. The confusion likely comes from a blurb of text that appears at the bottom of the screen shortly after the graphic is taken down. It notes that the 'NDP Group' (sic) pegged the Wii as selling more than twice the number of PS3s for the month of November, which is true, but also something that was announced last month." The numbers may prove to be true, but we're going to have to wait a bit longer to see who actually came out ahead last month.

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  1. Does NPD even provide real numbers? by Ars-Gonzo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Have they started including online sales yet or is it still just brick and mortar?

    1. Re:Does NPD even provide real numbers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      For those who are interested:

      EBGAMES/Gamestop are doing pre-order sales for the Wii to be shipped 1/17/2007. The only hitch is that it is a bundle package only.

      Nintendo Wii system (system, remote controller, nunchuck, stand, sensor and Wii Sports)
      Wii 1 Gigabyte Memory Card
      1 additional Wii Remote Controller
      Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
      Trauma Center: Second Opinion
      Red Steel
      Marvel Ultimate Alliance
      Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz
      Madden NFL 2007
      1 Year Product Replacement Plan

      The bundle is ~679.90 USD with 9.99 additional for shipping and handling.

      Here's the link: http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product_id=B020 070E

      The store, fortunately, will not be offering this bundle as it is on-line only.

  2. The eternal shipped vs. sold by Phisbut · · Score: 4, Informative
    Everytime there are sales numbers around, we need to remember that Sony always only report on shipped units, not on sold units. And no, even for the PS3, shipped != sold. I have seen PS3's on the shelves of some stores, and several other slashdotters have seen them too. Many PS3's are being returned by scalpers and are therefore unsold.

    Wii probably could have sold more, if only it had been able to produce more of them. As for the Xbox 360, the only console not suffering from shortages (anymore), then good for them. I wonder how many were bought by people wanting a PS3, but then not finding any, so they bought a 360 instead.

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    1. Re:The eternal shipped vs. sold by _xeno_ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As a fairly useless anecdote, in almost every store I've been to, they were completely sold out of Wiis, had several PS3s on hand, and had plenty of XBox360s on display.

      And I've been to a lot of stores looking for my Wii - I've had to resign myself that about the earliest the stores expect to receive more is late January to early February.

      But in several cases, I've had a hopeful sales person mention after I asked them about the Wii that they have the PS3 available for sale. Too bad I don't have, A) a HDTV or B) $600 to spare. (And, yes, I mean $600 - I never did see anyone selling the $500 model, so even though it exists, no one had it.)

      But essentially no one has a Wii and won't for a while. Seems that, short term at least, the Wii is the clear winner.

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    2. Re:The eternal shipped vs. sold by the_B0fh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, I'm interested in the PS2's sales numbers. If the PS2 still continues to outsell the 360/ps3, that should say something.

    3. Re:The eternal shipped vs. sold by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Yeah, it says "You can get it for $130."

      -Eric

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  3. Numbers by Codemastaflex · · Score: 2

    If NPD is the North American numbers guru for video game system sales, is there a European, Asian, or South American counterpart? I'm really intrested to see if Nintendo reached its goal of 4 million sold.

    1. Re:Numbers by HappySqurriel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      vgcharts.org attempts to track sales in Japan, North America and Europe (and is probably the most accurate) but there aren't good numbers from Europe because of the difficulty in collecting data in dozens of countries.

      As of December 24th Nintendo had sold 859,000 Wii in Japan, with 286,500 selling in the week of December 18th-December 24th so the total Japaneese sales numbers for December will be between 1,000,000-1,100,000 (as a guestimate; later today or tomorow we should have the sales for the week of December 25th to December 31st).

      In North America NPD was reporting 1.8 Million units sold up until December 25th, with total December sales available on January 11th; as an estimate, 2 Million units seems reasonable if Nintendo shipped a reasonable number in the final week of December.

      In Europe it was reported that Nintendo sold 375,000 in the launch week ...

      If Nintendo successfully sold 500,000-700,000 additional units in Europe since the launch of the system it is very likely that they would meet/surpass their 4 Million units sold in 2006 target. Whether they are successful or not, they will come far closer to their estimates than either Sony or Microsoft did.

  4. Why does everyone want a winner? by the+computer+guy+nex · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can't all 3 consoles be successful? I know we are in a competitive culture, but you do not need a monopoly to survive. Media is going nuts searching for a victor.

    The gaming market is absolutely huge, with over 10 billion+ in sales per year. There is plenty of money to go around, and for the first time 3 legitimate consoles who will all take a good portion.

    The compeition of this generation of 360/Wii/PS3 will spark a ton of innovation for the next set of consoles.

    1. Re:Why does everyone want a winner? by HeavenlyBankAcct · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are plenty of people out there who feel this strange, distorted need to attach their personal feelings of well-being to products. It's no different than the guys who define themselves as "Chevy Guys" or "Ford Guys." Uninteresting people need to identify themselves in some way so that they can feel like they're individuals. What you're witnessing here is legions of confused kids who somehow have gotten "feeling good about themselves" mixed up with "corporate loyalty."

  5. I think the PS3 won by billdar · · Score: 4, Funny
    Forget units sold, its hard to top a console people are willing to shoot people (and by extension, shot at) for.

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  6. Three things to consider (from WSJ) by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 5, Interesting

    According to a number of detailed articles I read in the print edition of the Wall Street Journal (expensive subscription required, ain't paying), it's not just the actual console sales of Wii consoles, but the actual purchase of Wii controllers, games, and memory cards, that made the Wii the blockbuster seller this Christmas season.

    Unlike the PS3, where most people bought the one really good game (Resistance Fall of Man), or the existing game purchases by xBox360 owners of Gears of War, the Wii console buyers ended up buying a lot of games and extra controllers, leading to situations where controllers were usually only found in back rooms and behind counters, as they were snapped up the second they appeared. Games were in reasonable supply, but most console owners bought quite a few games - probably affected by the MSRP of $50 for Wii games, compared to $60 for 360 and PS3 games.

    However, sales of the PS2 games were fairly strong, especially that rock guitar thing (forgot the name) and a number of other strong titles.

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    1. Re:Three things to consider (from WSJ) by ThePiMan2003 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Trauma Center is a simply great game, better than Zelda I would say.

      Raving Rabbids is a great multiplayer game.

      Super Monkey ball... sucks

      Red Steel REALLY REALLY sucks.

      Wii sports is quite fun.

      Rampage is fun but you really need nunchucks for each player

      Excite Truck is also quite enjoyable if you like smash em up racing.

      So I would say if yo have a Wii pick up Trauma Center for yourself, Raving Rabbids for yourself and your firends, Rampage if you like that sort of thing, and Excite trck if you like that sort of thing. I actually thought Zelda was kinda blah.

  7. XBox Advantage by vga_init · · Score: 2, Interesting

    To rationalize the results, here are some advantages I can think of that the XBox 360 touted...

    • First to market: It's been around for a while, so more people have seen it in action. That level of familiarity gives consumers more confidence--they know what they're buying. Also, let's say little Timmy sees gets to play with his friend's XBox and now wants one and talks about it all the time. I think his family might pick up on that; it's easy to want what other people already have. It's also easy to want what nobody else has, but you have to know about it first. More people know about things that exist than things that don't exist.
    • Domestic brand: People in the US know Microsoft. They trust Microsoft with their lives. Some people worship it. Don't believe me? I've seen it. The mere fact that Microsoft's name is on the box will cause people to gravitate toward it. The average Joe American tends to ignore Microsoft opponents because while he doesn't understand the issues, he knows how to stereotype anti-Microsoft folks as fanatics--tree hugging hippies that would just as soon turn on his cherished nation as his favorite software vendor. To him these people are the same people that are always saying bad things about the president, and he can't agree with those people.
    • Success of XBox: The original console did pretty well. It became a household name rather quickly and had enough good titles to get people coming back for more.
  8. Re:Numbers skewed from shortages by HappySqurriel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anybody know when the Wii becomes truly "generally available"?

    I think the only answer anyone can give you is "sometime in 2007" because no one really knows ...

    In the small circle of people I know I'm the only person who actually owns a Wii and I know several people who are actively searching for one. When Nintendo ships another 500,000 to 1,000,000 units I would expect that most people who were looking for a Wii to own one but I'm not postivie about that; with (essentially) 2 Million systems sold in 6 weeks, and there still being a pretty massive shortage I think it is selling at a rate that no one expected. Traditionally, January and February are very slow months for game system sales (with around 1 Million sales of all hardware combined per month) so I would anticipate that within the next 6 to 8 weeks the Wii should be seen on store shelves ... that is assuming it is not going to break all kinds of sales records ...

  9. THE X-Box 360 Advantage... is Live... by trdrstv · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You missed the # 1 advantage of the 360... X-box live.

    It's better then anything else out there, and "Acheivements" are their own brand of crack... This gives them an advantage over multiplatform releases.

  10. Re:Not surprising by cowscows · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just like many people successfully predicted the death of Nintendo after the N64 and the gamecube had disappointing sales? Oh wait, that didn't happen. Instead, Nintendo realized that the arrogance that they had developed during their heyday did not guarantee them future success, so they were forced to do some extra thinking, and have come up with the DS and the Wii as a response.

    Even if the PS3 comes in last, don't expect Sony to throw in the towel in regards to gaming. Just as a drop in marketshare hasn't ruined Nintendo's brand, the playstation brand is still important, and Sony is likey to take another stab at it when the next next-gen rolls around. We can only hope that if the PS3 falls below Sony's expectations that they learn some lessons from it, and make a more desirable system the next time around.

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  11. Re:I'm sick of Japanese consoles...there I said it by HappySqurriel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm rooting for the 360 because I'm sick of anime and senseless/cutesy Japanese story lines. Come on, hasn't this Japanese fad in the West lasted long enough?

    The NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Sega Master System, Sega Genesis, Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, Sony Playstation, and PS2 all had a lot of western developed games (and Japaneese games) which didn't have senseless/cutesy story lines.

    Before the Xbox, where could us Western console gamers go for realistic eyes and hair? Where could we go for a game originally written in English (without some strange translation)? Where could we go for an RPG that wasn't on rails? Where could we go for a game whose main character was a clear heterosexual?

    For realistic hair and eyes, I'll tell you when we actually get them; considering realistic Skin, Hair and Eyes are still difficult on pre-rendered movies (because humans are very good at telling the difference between computer generated and real people) I expect that it will be a couple of generations. If you're talking about where you could get them from an Artistic perspective I think you should look into a couple of games Link, and Link,Link. Many Japaneese companies have been on the forefront of 'realistic' graphics.

    RPGs that "aren't on rails" are mostly an American (typically PC) genre and have never been (particularly) popular ...

    I, for one, am glad that an American company is finally back in the game.

    There is nothing wrong with an American (or Japaneese) company being very successful in the industry ...
    Blindly following that company simply because they are American (or Japaneese) is foolish because they will (likely) take your support for granted and you will (probably) become angry with the company.

  12. Re:Numbers skewed from shortages by cowscows · · Score: 2

    I honestly think that Wii sales could really snowball in the future. We took the Wii with us when we travelled to visit the family over christmas, and a lot of the people who tried it were asking questions about where they could get one. My mom played Wii Tennis for about 15 minutes the night we got in town, and the next morning while we were still sleeping, she went to the mall to try to buy herself one.

    It's really been almost "infectious" for people we've let try it. The more people who buy it, the more that other people will be exposed to it. This obviously will hit a limit somewhere down the line, but the immediate accessibility of the controls and that new coolness factor really could push that limit a lot further than many people expect.

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  13. Re:Numbers skewed from shortages by HappySqurriel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I agree with you and have seen this type of behavior myself (people with no interest in games wanting a Wii) but I think this is the reason why I find it so difficult to predict when the Wii will become available.

    With the PS2, PS3 and XBox 360 I have a pretty well established understanding on how the people who are buying these systems will react to certain events; surrounding the release of big games the sales will spike, as the price drops the spikes will become larger and the "average" number of systems sold will increase, at "Christmas" nearly 50% of hardware sales will occur within a 6 week period and will crash (to the yearly low point) for 6 to 8 weeks following. "New" gamers will likely react quite differently than "Traditional" gamers and will likely have their own set of "big games" which does not match a "Traditional" gamers "big games" (say Wario Ware: Smooth Moves or Wii Play may be huge for the non-gamer crowd). Even how non-gamers buy games does not match how traditional gamers buy games because game sales are not front loaded.

  14. The "Real Winner" ... the DS by jchenx · · Score: 2, Informative
    However, sales of the PS2 games were fairly strong, especially that rock guitar thing (forgot the name) and a number of other strong titles.
    You mean Guitar Hero 2, which yes, was quite strong, along with other hit games such as Final Fantasy XII. The PS2 definately did very well this holiday season, but I'd have to say the big winner was the DS. Those darn things were often sold out just as much as the Wii was (I was looking for an extra copy myself). If you go looking around, you'll find sales numbers which reflect just how well that portable console did. Couple that with big news, such as Dragon Quest IX as a DS exclusive, and you've got the makings of yet another unstoppable Nintendo force in the handheld business.

    Undoubtedly the success of the DS can translate to benefits to the Wii. It would be even greater if Nintendo were able to announce some neat pairing between the DS and the Wii, similar to what Sony has tried to do with the PS3 and PSP (only failing miserably, due to the relative unpopularity of both systems).
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  15. Re:I'm sick of Japanese consoles...there I said it by cgenman · · Score: 2, Informative

    The NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Sega Master System, Sega Genesis, Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, Sony Playstation, and PS2 all had a lot of western developed games (and Japaneese games) which didn't have senseless/cutesy story lines.

    Not to mention A: PC games are largely western developed (with personal PC ownership traditionally lower in Asia), and B: Sega actually stands for SErvice and GAmes, originally started by an American.