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Sony Shrugs Off Bad Press - Still A Strong Brand

netbuzz writes "The Sony brand name took a beating last year over all those burning batteries and the rootkit fallout, right? Wrong, at least according to a recent survey of 2,000 adults who are apparently willing to forgive just about anything ... if you give them the right reason. Other technology companies, most anyway, also fare well in the brand survey. From the article: 'According to the survey, the Sony brand finished a gaudy ninth among the "Top 20 Winners for 2006," sandwiched comfortably between a couple of saintly American icons: Oprah and the National Football League. Moreover, the respondents see Sony climbing to No. 4 among this year's gainers, right above Amazon and eBay. Moral: Build a better PlayStation and the American consumer will forgive all else.'"

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  1. No brainer by AutopsyReport · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Battery fires and rootkits are Slashdot tech news, but not everyday Mom & Pop frontpage news. It's then quite obvious why Sony still has a great reputation with the majority.

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    1. Re:No brainer by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Rootkit maybe -- Sony is right in that most people don't know what it is, and don't understand the explanation -- but not the battery. People know what "battery" and "fire" are. It was on the news a lot (for something like a product recall), and plenty of my completely non-techie-no-computer-much-less-laptop friends had heard about and even cracked jokes about Sony's batteries.

      It really is that people will forgive anything, at least if there's no personal memory of pain involved. I'd be willing to bet that those whose batteries caught fire aren't going to think so fondly of the Sony brand from now on. Everyone else will just think "oh, they must have fixed it by now" and move on.

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    2. Re:No brainer by ivan256 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People know what "battery" and "fire" are. It was on the news a lot (for something like a product recall)

      Almost everybody associates the problem with Dell, not with Sony. Quite honestly, they are right to. Dell sold the batteries, and they should have tested them to see if they were faulty. They also should have designed their chargers to prevent the problem.

      Almost nobody with an exploding Sony battery purchased a package that said Sony on it anywhere.

    3. Re:No brainer by ivan256 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Way to miss the forest through the trees there, buddy.

  2. Sturgeon's Revelation by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "Ninety percent of everything is crud," said Sturgeon. I would amend "And 90% of people will believe anything."

    It's the 10% who see through the BS that are worth listening to.

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    1. Re:Sturgeon's Revelation by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

      Bah, 83% of people know that 91% of all statistics are made up on the spot, and that the Sturgeon quote is a bunch of hooey. The fact that the GP quotes it as a gospel truth on which to hang his own theories suggests that he is more likely part of the (mythical) 90%.

    2. Re:Sturgeon's Revelation by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Bah, 83% of people know that 91% of all statistics are made up

      Yeah, but they're only half right about that.

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  3. All they need to do is by blowdog · · Score: 5, Funny

    Take $200 off the PS3 and all is forgiven

  4. No such thing.. by Ozzeh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is no such thing as bad press. If your brand is in the news and keep people talking about your brand, it's more likely to be remembered.

    Sad but true..

    1. Re:No such thing.. by ameline · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The only bad publicity is an obituary -- and only then if you're actually dead.

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  5. The write-up is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I bet it is painfully uncomfortable being sandwiched between Oprah and the National Football League.

  6. Not So Sure by HRbnjR · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was originally planning to sit on the fence regarding the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray format war until a dual format player was released.

    And then I heard Sony was using their licensing agreements to prevent such a device.

    Sony just refuses to do what is best for the consumer, be it root kits, memory card interoperability, or licensing rules like this.

    I can certainly say that *my* image of them has tarnished over time, and I am now seriously thinking about buying HD-DVD just to spite them.

    1. Re:Not So Sure by Ozzeh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I try to be as objective as possible when buying electronics. Brand-loyalty never did nobody any good! (if Sony markets the best solution, I'm game!)

    2. Re:Not So Sure by multipartmixed · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why does this surprise you?

      Sony also would not allow VHS/Beta devices.

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    3. Re:Not So Sure by powerlord · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Sony just refuses to do what is best for the consumer, be it root kits, memory card interoperability, or licensing rules like this.


      You're in luck. The part of Sony behind the PS3 seems to have heard your complaints.

      The PS3 ... ... includes the ability to load Linux, which makes it the cheapest Cell development platform available. ... includes support for "standard" memory cards in their 60GB model with the card-reader built-in. Pop one out of your camera and bring your saved games with you. ... includes support for "standard" flash drives, none of the previous proprietary memory card formats that we're used to on consoles, just in case you only have a flash-drive. ... includes support for "standard" Bluetooth wireless. Got a Bluetooth headset from your cellphone? Great, use it on your PS3. ... includes only "standard" usb ports, which can be used to connect Keyboards and Mice (as well as PSPs and SIXAXIS controllers using ... shocker ... "standard" USB-USBmini cables). ... includes support for using a "standard" HDMI cable (go on-line and find one for $20 including shipping and handling instead of shelling out $80-$100 on the MonsterCables). ... includes support for "standard" 2.5" hard-drives. You can swap it out yourself if you want to.

      The group working on the PS3 have incorporated standards practically every place that made sense.
      The few places they didn't: ... Linux only has a frame-buffer, not GPU access. Most likely either NVidia or Sony made this decision. Would have been nice for the home-brew market, otherwise I don't see the issue. ... Linux also does not have access to the part of the Hard Drive where the PS3 stores games and data. ... gee ... I wonder why they did that. Yes it prevents "legitimate" use, but they also include a backup utility which will back up most data from the PS3 partition. I can not think of a legitimate use for this that would be in Sony's interest, and would mitigate the fact that allowing access would break the security of the system, allow games to be easily pirated, and would allow a steep rise in non-supported apps, which could crash the system, propagate as viruses, etc.

      Regarding Sony stance on Blu-Ray and their use of it in the PS3:

      Yes, they decided to use an in-house developed format for the media storage. Since it WAS developed in-house I can hardly fault them for that.

      Since even "poor PS3 sales" has already sold over 1 million units, thats quite a jump start on HD-DVD. Even if the system flops (which I hardly expect it to), If they ship 4-6 million units in North America in the next year, then they've probably cemented the lead for Blu-Ray over HD-DVD, unless stand-alone HD-DVD players drop in price dramatically, or the XBox360 add-on unit sells equally well.

      Considering those possibilities its in Sony's best interest to hold on to the war of attrition as long as possible, since they probably can win it, with the help of the PS3.
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  7. Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm ?story_id=8173422

    "... reduced headcount by 10,000 ahead of schedule. It is also on track with factory closures, asset disposals and winnowing its product line-up ..."

    It's good to read that things are going so well.

  8. Oh? by LikeTheSearchEngine · · Score: 5, Funny

    Moral: Build a better PlayStation and the American consumer will forgive all else.

    They didn't even have to do that, apparently!

    *Ducks.*

  9. Marketing Lesson #1 by mpapet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In action in this story.

    It takes a whole lot to piss off a customer. DRM and broken batteries certainly isn't close enough. This is why Marketeers get all hot and sweaty about being the first brand that people think of. You can abuse your customers and they keep coming back for more. Lesser brand consumers generally won't tollerate the abuse and switch to sony and still get abused, but since it's "sony" they take it.

    This one reason why Apple's switching campaign while noble and a general good for all who switch from Windows is so slow. It's why consumers of all kinds who switch to Linux won't switch because windows has some problems. They'll switch because of an application they can't get on windows. Given the way Microsoft is tightening the DRM and market segmenting nooses, most consumers will simply tollerate the abuse.

    Lesson #1: Be #1 in the hearts and minds

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  10. Image only can sell lots by DeeDob · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When you go into a mall and see a Sony shop that scream prestige and high class where no other electronic manufacturer even HAS a shop.

    When you go into an electronics store and notice that Sony televisions are placed in their own private sections aways from the others.

    When you go into a video game store and notice that the PlayStation brands are located at the front of the store and the rest are in small corners or at the back, behind the PS3 advertisements that are hanging on the ceiling.

    When you go into a large retailer and notice that PlayStation games take twice the amount of shelf space for the same amount of games available than it's competitors.

    Those are the signs that say that Sony "dictates" to some retailers how to put them in a positive way and how they "manipulate" their own image.

    Here's Mr. Jow average's reasoning:
    The product in front of my eyes in the diamond incrusted mahogany display that cost 1000$ has GOT to be better than the one in the back of the store, on the lower metallic cheap shelf with dust all over it that is priced at 500$. I don't need to do research, it's fairly obvious...

  11. Yep - only techies really bash Sony.... by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've said for years and years now, Sony is pretty good at "walking the thin line" of how much the average consumer will tolerate and still keep buying their products.

    The "techies" have been complaining about them and their proprietary, incompatible product releases since at least the era of the Sony "minidisc" format. But the public doesn't really care. If a Sony product turns out to be a "dud", it sort of fades away into non-existence, and their more successful products are still all over the store shelves, regularly recommended by magazine reviewers, store salespeople, and satisfied consumers.

    "Techies" had nothing good to say about Sony's proprietary "memory stick" technology either. Yet I bought one of their camcorders (a TRV-730) which has proven to be an excellent buy as the years have passed, and it uses a memory stick for the still photo feature in it. Truthfully, when it was new, I preferred the physical format of the memory stick to the alternatives. The "SD" format is pretty darn similar in thickness, weight, and overall size ... but back then, you didn't really see SD media around. You had mostly CompactFlash, which was noticeably bigger/bulkier, and those "Smartmedia" cards which always seemed flimsy, like they'd accidently snap in half in your pocket.

    They're also a major motion picture studio, releasing quite a few films the public wants to watch and purchase, and some of the slimmer, ultraportable Sony Vaio laptops are among the "best in class". Of course, the PS2 wasn't exactly a marketing failure either - and I maintain that the PS3 has plenty of time to enjoy a good success too, if the right game titles start coming out for it and the price comes down a bit. (And why wouldn't it? PS2 prices had several significant drops over the years.)

  12. immune to democracy by Speare · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've suggested several times in the past that it appears that democracy (as well as commercial democracy, voting with your dollars) breaks down around 10e6 to 10e8 scales. Once a governed population reaches this size, it can no longer assume that reasoned debate will be able to sway casual opinion at all. Once a customer marketplace reaches that size, no boycotts are effective and bad products don't change anything in the general perception, since so few people actually inform themselves. A politician or a company would have to be caught red-handed burying razorblades in the babyfood before the mass public will even notice and associate badness with the politician or company in question.

    Blind fealty to parties and brands just compound this situation. A politician who is caught shredding the constitution is forgiven merely because they are in the favored party, as if that were salient. A technologically dangerous product is forgiven merely because the company spends a ton of cash on those "lifestyle" branding ads that don't even talk about their product anymore, completely contrary to logic.

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  13. It's a Japanese view-- and it will hurt them badly by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The long view is traditional (ignore the Welsh CEO they have) in Japanese business culture. If you think they get bad press in the English speaking world, wait until you read what the Taiwanese, Chinese, and other Asian (read ASEAN) press skewer them with.

    And for good reasons:

    * They've been hurt badly in every market they have; viz the iPod, Wii, XBox, and consumer electronics entertainment markets
    * They've shown little respect for media consumers, viz the installable rootkit, and the HDDVD wars
    * They've shown little innovation-- a former hallmark
    * Their PCs break, they have rotten warranties, and they're not designed for real-world mobility; worse, they're anti-FOSS and have no formal Linux support mechanisms worth mentioning

    The ultimate problem: their value proposition used to be high-- and priced high, but no longer leads the markets they're in-- they're followers now. They've had their lunch eaten by lots of astute competitors.

    Dare I say it? Ok: they've jumped the shark.... sadly.

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  14. What was expensive was buying the survey by spun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This survey was done by a company called "Landor Strategic Brand Consulting." Obviously, these guys are not in the business of taking impartial surveys, they are in the business of PR and building brand recognition and loyalty. Now somehow they have everyone talking about how the bad press just doesn't matter. No one is asking, "does it matter?" anymore, they are asking, "Why doesn't it matter?"

    Very clever PR. I'd take these results with a Great Salt Lake sized grain of salt. Don't let these sleazy PR hacks brainwash you into doing their work for them.

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  15. Re:They have a saying for that by HappySqurriel · · Score: 3, Insightful
    But walking into an obvious dead end like HD-DVD when Sony is clearly popular and will prevail with Blu-Ray

    Why would you assume that Blu-Ray would prevail over HD-DVD, or if either of them will be successful at all?

    There are several possible outcomes which should be considered:

    • HD-DVD could be successful and kill Blu-Ray
    • Blu-Ray could be successful and kill HD-DVD
    • Both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray could be successful
    • HD-DVD and Blu-Ray could each become successful in different regions in the world
    • Dual-Format players could become popular essentially ending the format war
    • the general public could ignore both formats and stick with DVD
    • the general public could ignore both formats in favour of downloadable content


    There are dozens of other possible outcomes that I haven't even listed ...

    Blu-Ray is not ensured success and a lot of its greatest strengths (like greater exclusive studio support) were gained under the assumption that the PS3 was going to be 'super successful'. Remember that most of the studios would have exclusively backed Blu-Ray when the PS3 was supposed to launch in Spring 2006, when that went away studios continued to support Blu-Ray because Sony was going to sell 2 Million PS3 systems at launch, an additional 2 Million units by the end of 2006 and have a total of 6 Million systems sold by March 1st 2007.

    Hypothetically speaking, in March Sony may only have sold 3 Million PS3 systems worldwide and Microsoft could announce the Core XBox 360 being discontinued, the Bundle being priced at $300 and a HD-DVD compatible XBox 360 for $400.
  16. Ask a geek by yusing · · Score: 3, Informative

    With regard to hardware: at one time Sony hardware was generally high-quality. But about 20 years ago they started broadening their market by selling lesser-quality hardware. You could no longer expect the name to reflect quality. Many other tech companies have faded in the same way... it happens (GE and RCA among them).

    The manipulation of subjectively perceived quality by manufacturers is inversely proportional to knowledge, particularly technical knowledge, of the consumer. A favorite example is bad audio gear which has enjoyed a reputation far higher than observation allows. Prime examples: a certain speaker manufacturer, and a certain absurdly high-priced-cable manufacturer.

    People can be fooled by what sound like legitimate technical specs which are, in fact, techno-babble. Virtually meaningless wattage "standards" for amplifiers, for example, can turn a 50-watt RMS amplifier into one that puts out several hundred watts. A geek knows there's no such thing as "music power".

    If you don't know enough to avoid getting burned, talk to a geek that does. And find a way to reward him/her for the studying that went into that expertise.

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  17. Not surprising, really ... by UncleGizmo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Landor polled 2,000 consumers. Knowing what you know about consumers and their knowledge of tech, how many of them do you think were even aware of rootkit issues and bad batteries (unless they were personally affected)?

    The article is right, the Playstation cures much bad press.

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