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Choose the New PBS Science Show

chinmay7 writes "PBS has posted three different pilots for a new science show, and they want viewers to weigh in and help choose one as the regular science feature. All three pilots are viewable as vodcasts. Wired Science aired on January 3rd. The pilot certainly is polished, as one might expect from Wired Magazine, and deals with interesting topics: 'Meet rocket-belt inventors, stem cell explorers and meteorite hunters.' Science Investigators (air date: January 10) seems to be the most 'science' show: 'The investigators examine 30,000-year-old Neanderthal DNA, vanishing frogs, mind-boggling baseball pitches and more.' 22nd Century (air date: January 17) is pretty gimmicky and loud for my taste, but delivers interesting content — 'In the coming decades will all our brains be wired together like networked computers?' So watch and vote."

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  1. no more 1hr documentaries by maynard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All of these programs utilize the newsmagazine format, with three or four 15 - 20 minute minidocumentaries per program. Unfortunately, this is not enough time to delve into a subject indepth. Hell, an hour isn't enough time either. Nova is falling into the same trap, with their ScienceNOW programming. Is Nature and Frontline the last bastion of serious documentary programming on PBS?

    1. Re:no more 1hr documentaries by InfinityWpi · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sorry, you lost my attention when you failed to ask a question in your first two lines of text. Heck, you didn't even make your point until the second line -- what kind of person keeps reading after the first line doesn't have a point?

      (okay, I've turned the sarcasm tag off now)

    2. Re:no more 1hr documentaries by maynard · · Score: 4, Informative

      Have you compared the NOVA that is broadcast today with what was originally done in the late seventies through the eighties? It has been a pretty dramatic dumbing down over the last few decades. Nature and Frontline, though, are just as good as ever. So... yeah: You summed it up pretty nicely.

  2. Wired Sucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    is it too much to have hosts that are not 30 something smart asses? or better yet, science stories that are not ubiquitous in the media already. or even better, shows dedicated to one topic rather than 4 or 5 so we can get some real information involved? or at best. . just redirect the funding to NOVA.

    1. Re:Wired Sucked by nmb3000 · · Score: 3, Funny

      is it too much to have hosts that are not 30 something smart asses?

      How can you say that!?!

      They had a white male host, a black female host, and an Asian female host! Aside from finding a Hispanic hermaphrodite, how could it get any better than that?

      Enjoy your politically correct science, dammit!

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  3. Direct link to 22nd century by Mr_Perl · · Score: 4, Informative

    For the browser-plugin challenged:

    22nd Century
    mplayer mms://wm.z1.mii-streaming.net/media/pbs/windows/ge neral/windows/22ndcentury/22ndcentury_384.wmv

    (you'll have to remove a gap as entered by /.'s formatting "system")

    While I'm watching that, anyone else feel like digging through the source for the others?

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  4. Why is this necessary? by artifex2004 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How are these shows substantially different or improved from Nova ScienceNOW and Scientific American Frontiers? (Speaking of which, having Alan Alda as the host of that show made it palatable for some older people who wouldn't otherwise look at science stories.)

    If they really want a new show, they need a resurrection of Newton's Apple, and target younger audiences. For that matter, they should resurrect 3-2-1 Contact, too. If they need to find a free slot, they could get rid of Cyberchase, one of the lamest shows pretending to be educational I've seen, besides some emo girl clown sitting on a couch.

  5. Anything educational please. by B5_geek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am tired of all the "science" shows out there that are more flash and gimmick then cold-facts.

    ie.
    Naked Science
    Nova Now
    MythBusters
    EVERYTHING on Discovery & TLC

    I yearn for impartial & unbiased educational programming that I enjoyed in my youth. Now-a-days it seems that if they don't "wow" you in the first 10 seconds they think they have failed.

    An excellent example is Nature shows.
    Old goodness:
    Lorne Greens New Wilderness, Nature, Undersea Adventures of Jacques Cousteau *, Profiles of Nature.

    New Badness:
    Croc Hunter**, Fox Special "Worlds most Amazing/Dangerous Animals", etc.

    * Jacques Cousteau was Very preachy but (a) it was needed at that time, and (b) it was the first of it's kind.
    ** I loved how passionate Steve Irwin was about animals, and the first Season of Croc Hunter was awesome. But IMHO I think the show got too much attention and turned into a Jerry Springer of Nature shows and lost it's credibility.

    I do not have the attention span of a flea on crack. Take your time and explain the science behind what you are trying to show. I donate to PBS, but only on the 'heavy-science' shows. Alas it seems they don't get the message.

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    1. Re:Anything educational please. by KingSkippus · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I do not have the attention span of a flea on crack.

      It's not about your attention span, it's about the fundamental purpose of television: Entertainment.

      Believe it or not, even education can be entertaining if presented in the right format. If I only wanted education, I wouldn't watch PBS, I would take a class or study a book. But when I watch PBS or Discovery or any of the other "educational" channels, I'm really shooting for entertainment that appeals to me in an intelligent, well-thought-out manner, not just seeking to learn something for the sake of learning something.

      I yearn for impartial & unbiased educational programming that I enjoyed in my youth. Now-a-days it seems that if they don't "wow" you in the first 10 seconds they think they have failed.

      Not me, I hated those shows. When I was young, I watched things like The Electric Company ("HEY YOU GUYYYYYYYS!"), 3-2-1 Contact, Schoolhouse Rock, Cosmos, and so on. Plenty of "wow" factor along with fantastic educational content.

      I'm also curious why you used the adjectives "impartial" and "unbiased." Are you implying the Myth Busters, Nova, and other such shows are somehow "partial" and "biased" because they're flashy? Are fun and educational mutually exclusive concepts to you?

    2. Re:Anything educational please. by RichPowers · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So what if Mythbusters isn't about a group of PhDs sitting around in labcoats making precise calculations about various myths. In fact, I like Mythbusters because it shows that science isn't limited to sterile labs and academic conferences. I wouldn't use Mythbusters as a definitive answer to anything, but through its entertaining presentation, it teaches people fundamental aspects of logic, problem solving, and experimentation (scale models, controls, etc.) That alone makes it better than most television shows...

  6. Re:why not all three by kitsunewarlock · · Score: 3, Funny

    You sir take that back! I've only seen every episode of Monty Python's Flying Circus twice...TWICE! That is unacceptible! Unexpectidly unacceptible. As unexpected as...

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  7. Saw them by DaveM753 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I watched all of "22nd Century" and "Wired Science", and the first half of "Science Investigators". I thought "22nd Century" had interesting topics, but the "hosts" were utterly condescending, biased and overtly scripted, almost to the point of being insulting. I liked the topics in "Science Investigators" too, but the "this is like, way cool, man" approach of the first male host made me gag, so I turned it off after about 15-20 minutes. "Wired Science" was the best for me. I guess the other two shows would have broader appeal to a younger set of viewers than me (40 yrs and one day), but they can vote on their own... :-)

  8. More NOVA!! by iluvcapra · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why not just make more original episodes of Nova, dangit!

    OTOH, there's tons of coverage of natural science, physics, applied science and anthropology, but in general not many shows on IT; this is remarkable considering how unlikely it is for the average person to see the Tevatron, but that person probably deals with computer viruses, data encryption and slow internets on a daily basis. There should be a Secret Life of Machines for computers. You could have:

    • The Secret Life of the Router
    • The Secret Life of C
    • The Secret Life of the Hard Drive

    And so on. I don't think Hunkin would do it, so we'd have to find someone suitably cheeky but computer-friendly and having an artistic streak. Maybe Woz.

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  9. The videos by ion_ · · Score: 4, Informative
  10. Vodcasts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Vodcasts? Seriously?

    Is it really so incredibly unhip to just say "video files"?

    Do we really have a moral imperative to create as many buzzwords as possible?

    1. Re:Vodcasts? by gad_zuki! · · Score: 5, Funny

      I slashread your textcast about jargon and nodnodnod with your cyber-sentiment.

  11. no need to ask, just look at slashdot... by netsfr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We all had a chance to put our votes for the best science show in the sidebar just a few weeks ago ;-)

    I want them to bring back Bill Nye!

  12. "So watch and vote." by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Better yet, turn the TV off, and read something like Wolfram's "A New Kind of Science", Dawkins "The God Delusion" or even something off the wall like McCutcheon's "The Final Theory", which will make you at least re-think what you know, though in the end you'll probably come to the same conclusion I did, which is, he's a crackpot. But a really clever one, especially if you read the whole book! :)

    PBS... well, it isn't going to teach you any significant amount of science. It's 99.9% a complete waste of time, just like all the other pre-digested gee-whiz shows. If you want entertainment, by all means, head for the TV. But don't kid yourself that a TV show split over multiple subjects is going to be illuminating. It's just drool-fodder.

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    1. Re:"So watch and vote." by poopdeville · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Better yet, put down those popular science books, enroll at a local university, and get yourself a degree in one of the hard sciences.

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  13. And in a surprising turn of election events by Eternal+Vigilance · · Score: 3, Funny
    Even though the election won't close until at least the end of the month, the Supreme Court has ordained 5-4 that the winner is "Why Al Gore Is Wrong - The Triumphs Of Faith-Based Science."

    Future episodes will cover:

    • The real age of the Grand Canyon
    • Intelligent Design
    • The impossibility of heavier-than-air flight
    • The fundamental flaw in Gallileo's arguments
    • The unquestionable accuracy of US voting machines
    • Why you need to upgrade to Windows Vista
    • The iPod: No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.


    "Nobody expects the White House Inquisition!"