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First Look At Final OLPC Design

blackbearnh writes "At the Consumer Electronics Show on Monday, AMD hosted a presentation of the final Industrial Prototype (Beta 1) of the One Laptop Per Child XO Laptop. Linux Today has extensive reporting, including new photos and details about power consumption, networking, and the logistics of distributing and servicing what will be the largest rollout of any computing platform in history: 5 million units in the first year. This will represent nearly a 10% increase in the total worldwide laptop production for 2007."

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  1. Design issue alert! by zanderredux · · Score: 2, Funny
    You have to look at this through the needs of a child [in the developing world]. A child doesn't want to play the latest video games. he wants to be able to read a book.
    It seems that they got the design requirements wrong! Where I came from, people couldn't care less about books as long as they could play Tetris....
    1. Re:Design issue alert! by Curien · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Books are also very expensive. Even in mass production, a non-trivial book can cost around $20 each, and smaller run books are much more expensive due to (lack of) economy of scale.

      Not to mention that large-scale distribution is not inexpensive, especially in the market areas for one of these laptops (poor infrastructure makes shipping more expensive). I imagine a government could actually save a good amount of money (if the laptops prove successful and long-lasting) by giving school children one of these laptops and then just having digital textbooks.

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    2. Re:Design issue alert! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Exactly. It's the same as with girls. The digital version is much cheaper than the exteriorized rib edition.

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    3. Re:Design issue alert! by Aladrin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's great, until you realize that ebooks hardly cost less than physical books.

      I'll admit that there's quite a few free ebooks, but the majority of them are 'literary classics' that a child couldn't read if it wanted to and college-level textbooks that a child couldn't read if it wanted to.

      If they can get some ebook publishers to donate books for use on these OLPCs that'll be great, but I'm not holding my breath. With the exception of MIT, Gutenberg and Baen.com, I haven't seen a lot of generosity in the form of books. (Physical or electronic.)

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    4. Re:Design issue alert! by ericlondaits · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I live in Argentina, which is one of the target countries for OLPC. Daily through the streets of Buenos Aires I come across many many indigent children who either beg for money, perform little juggling acts for coins, sell small items or collect cardboard and other materials from the trash which they later sell. These kids were usually found as well in Arcades, playing with some hard earned coins, out of someone's good will, or hungrily peeking over someone's shoulder. They normally play real good and act as on-site advisers for kids with money to play. When Arcades started disappearing in favor of small joints dedicated to on-line games, they moved over... and now they sometimes spend hard earned change for an hour of Counterstrike (historically the most successful on-line game for this kind of places). ... So I assure you... poor kids certainly do care about games, and I have no reason to think they'd rather read a book.

      And if you aim higher, towards the working class children, the lower middle class, or middle class, then there's no question either: as a rule kids don't like to read in this country. I think it's likely that overall children books are less popular here than in the US, and reading in adults is less popular as well. Kids normally don't like school or studying (no surprise here, I guess), and they avoid it as much as they can. We don't have SAT exams here, or any other kind of exam which require a certain level (except for some high schools which have an acceptance exam), so most kids stick to getting marks just high enough as to pass the class.

      So I can't imagine why someone would think that kids would rather use the computer to read a book than to play games. What I would believe, is that many kids would rather chat and browse through social network sites (Fotolog.com is very popular in Argentina and Brasil) than play games. Girls specially. In fact, I'm really happy that thanks to SMS and IM apps, kids now have a reason to read and write ten times more than they did before... even if they do it in garbled kl00l3z-5p34k. I'd like teachers to embrace this fact and help kids improve their on-line writing.

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    5. Re:Design issue alert! by vtcodger · · Score: 2, Interesting
      ***It seems that they got the design requirements wrong! Where I came from, people couldn't care less about books as long as they could play Tetris....***

      Of course the kids are going to use the OLPC to play Tetris and other games. It's not an either Tetris or read "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovitch" thing. The OLPC looks to be able to do both, and it's a safe bet that it will be used for both.

      When I worked in a K-8 school, I asked some teachers if I should take Solitaire of the Windows machines. Some didn't care. Some WANTED it on the machines so the kids could play it at appropriate times. Nobody wanted it to be disappeared.

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    6. Re:Design issue alert! by rbanffy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Remember that even if the electronic edition costs the same per child, the non-trivial costs of transportation will be removed from the equation.

      If you take out some or part of the cost of printing, the deal becomes even sweeter.

      This is a win-win situation - the price of the books go down because they don't need to be printed. This means more books are sold at a possibly higher profit margin. The books can get as large as needed because they are not on paper - encyclopedias can grow to unlimited size. The children have more books because the government can afford more and thus, I hope, the children get a better education and economy improves. And because they don't pollute when are made or transported, the environment wins.

      Come on... It's an easy sell.

    7. Re:Design issue alert! by smithbp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree that there is a benefit to reading outside of your "age-appropriate" level. When I was 10, I picked up novels that I saw in a bookstore and my father would be more than happy to oblige getting it for me to read. It's important to develop a reading habit and love in a child at an early age. The only thing that frightens me about the OLPC model for book distribution is that kids will associate reading with being in front of a PC to do it. There is nothing quite like getting a new book in your hands as a kid and looking at the cover, reading those first few pages, etc. The way that an ebook is delivered removes that experience from the equation. There's also the eyestrain from reading a book on a PC over a prolonged period of time to deal with as well. While it's a great idea to get the OLPC initiative into action and deployed, it is also going to cause all kinds of debates and overall bitching as time goes on.

    8. Re:Design issue alert! by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The way that an ebook is delivered removes that experience from the equation.

      The way books are delivered removes that experience from much of the world.

      KFG

  2. Couch-device? by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have to admit that the more I read about the OLPC the more it seems like an ideal device for couch-centric web surfing and ebook reading... ;)

    But respect to the project for getting this far, I for one hope they make it all the way. Information wants to be free, after all.

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  3. Forget the iPhone as the next Newton Replacement! by VE3OGG · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I saw the pics (which are quite nice!) and the first this that jumped into my mind was the ages old (by hardware standards) but infinitely cool eMate 300 based on Apple's Newton platform. Those things were nigh indestructible and were marketed at he education market. All of those schools that are looking to invest thousands of dollars for computer equipment should really turn an eye to this unit -- cheap, infinitely flexible, and incorporating a lot of things that could be educational...

  4. I wonder how far MS got installing XP on one? by GreatDrok · · Score: 4, Interesting

    MS has had prototypes to try and install XP on, does anyone think they were successful? It looks like an amazing amount of thought has gone into the design and execution. MS must be scared to death of this thing.

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  5. Goodbye, Commodore! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny
    "Linux Today has extensive reporting, including new photos and details about power consumption, networking, and the logistics of distributing and servicing what will be the largest rollout of any computing platform in history: 5 million units in the first year."

    Well, so much for the C64 world domination. It was fun while it lasted.

    ... Wait! With this production rate, it's more than three years to go, isn't it? Hmm, I guess I can snog my little lovely breadbox for some more time.

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  6. When will consumers be able to buy these? by DrXym · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd pay $300 for a rugged laptop that runs 6 hours, can be stuffed into a small bag, has wifi, browser and other functionality. I'm sure a lot of other people would too - who knows perhaps it would be great way to subsidize the educational version.

    1. Re:When will consumers be able to buy these? by alnapp · · Score: 3, Informative

      Via Ebay ? ! ?
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6246989.stm

      As posted below, but more pertinaint as a reply to your post

  7. And we can get them by alnapp · · Score: 3, Informative
  8. What about heat? by Yeti.SSM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just wondering... What happens when somebody forgets the thing on direct sunlight (which is IMHO quite likely with kids)? Won't it damage the LCD or battery if left there for a while?

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    1. Re:What about heat? by gradedcheese · · Score: 5, Informative

      As I recall from the couple OLPC mailing lists that I read, they did (and continue to do?) a lot of LCD and overall 'destructive' testing. The LCD was sourced very carefully can contains a special UV filter, in fact last I heard there was a 'desert' and 'not desert' version of that to deal with the different environments. Similarly, they've done a lot of battery testing and there are improvements that will go into the revised and more final hardware.

      The OLPC does not contain any real moving parts (hard disk, etc) and the motherboard is behind the LCD panel, not under the keyboard (where the battery is). The processor runs nice and cool (in fact, it's underclocked).

      I worked at one for a while and it was a welcome relief from my 'burn your lap' ThinkPad with a PIII : ) That said, proper suspect and power management isn't done yet, so they have a lot more to do in these areas.

  9. Software by Cheesey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is one aspect of the OLPC that really worries me: the software. The machine will ship with many pieces of entirely new software, or at least new frontends for existing programs (e.g. Firefox). I think that this is a significant risk. There is a lot of code to be designed, written, and thoroughly tested before their first deployment on millions of machines. Those machines may not see a network connection after they are sold, so the software has to be right first time. It also has to be secure.

    However, the OLPC folks seem unworried:

    With two more betas to go before the summer, Bletsas was unfazed by the glitches. He also called the current state of the software "barely useable," but again was confident that it would be where it needed to be by launch.

    I hope that this confidence is not misplaced.

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    1. Re:Software by jalefkowit · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You don't have to take their word for it; you can grab the complete software stack and test it yourself, if you want. The OLPC team provide OS images that you can use to run the software in any x86 virtualization platform (they recommend qemu, but people have it running in VMWare and Parallels as well).

      It's worth checking out just to see their new "Sugar" UI -- which is pretty cool IMHO.

    2. Re:Software by vhogemann · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's where Python comes into.

      It's not like you can't shoot yourself in the foot with python, its just harder to do so. You don't have to worry about pointers, it has a HUGE and stable library, and integrated unit testing.

      Also, the GTK bindings are very mature. So if all you need is rewrite some UI code, Python probably is your safer bet.

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  10. Re:Someone's smoking crack... by BigTom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And that, in a nutshell, is why the next generation of US and European kids are going to be serving coffee and noodles to the highly motivated, well educated immigrants who will be doing all the real work by then.

  11. Re:Won't someone think of the environment! by montyzooooma · · Score: 2, Informative

    RTFA - they run on average at 3W and will include a hand or foot cranked "Yoyo" for charging. Presumably in the countries they're going to solar power would be an option too.

  12. Out of touch? by Hodr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "You have to look at this through the needs of a child [in the developing world]. A child doesn't want to play the latest video games. he wants to be able to read a book."
    - Bletsas

    They may be in the third world, but believing that most children would rather read an e-book than play a video game seems a bit out of touch. And before the rabbid Lemony Snicket and Harry Potter fans chime in, a couple things to keep in mind are that not all children can read, and of those who can and want to read, books tend to occupy less of their time [anecdotal I know, but seems intuitive] than most other activities (including playing video games).

  13. Re:Won't someone think of the environment! by nietsch · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, you did not read the article did you? The XO consumes between 350 milliWatt when only it's only meshing, and 5 Watt when it's doing heavy multimedia applications. It can be powered by handpower/solar/ or a generator running off all the hot gas you produce when you open your mouth.

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  14. Books are NOT that expensive to print by perfessor+multigeek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Speaking as a publisher, there is no chance whatsoever that children's textbooks need to cost twenty bucks each to print.

    Go for it, you find me quotes from printers for runs of over five thousand books where they cost any more than, oh, five bucks apiece. And that is assuming conventional paper, hardcover (which is, btw, a terrible design approach compared to, say, tyvek over soft plastic), and the book being the awkward size and design of "normal" textbooks.

    But then what would I know? I've only done textbook production work for Harcourt-Brace, Houghton-Mifflin, and Scholastic, not to mention collateral materials and periodicals production for The Trumpet Club, Time, Inc., McGraw-Hill, and, oh, right, my own publishing company.

    No, the pricing of textbooks is a result of back-assed production systems, government contractor pricing, schoolbook adoption board warping of design, and terrible legacy choices related to all of the above. And with new digital printing systems coming on line all the time, real world limitations are dropping every year.

    Admittedly, I'm delighted at all of the above. I'm just now bringing my first bound products to press and I expect to underprice the buggers by fifty to eighty percent.

    But don't believe them when they tell you their mahooah about printing costs. You might as well take Halliburton's word for it on their costs.

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  15. the Newton by perfessor+multigeek · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Agggh, the pain! Yep, the wondrous, neglected Apple Newton, stranded to die an abandoned death by the Jobs regime for reasons they never did really justify.

    "It canniblizes our other sales"
    Really, now? The Marine corps wants to carry iMacs into battle?

    "It puts us in marketplaces we can't afford to focus on."
    Oh, you mean like education, already a core market, and vertical stuff like insurance that is vastly profitable?

    "There was never really any demand."
    Funny, that's not what, say, Infoworld said, let alone teachers, doctors, mobile salespeople, and, as mentioned above, the U.S. Marine Corps.

    "Shareholders are upset about all that investment in plant."
    So better to just write it all off and cut your profit numbers down further?

    "We can't afford the distraction from important projects."
    As CNet showed two months ago, the Newton is still better than most of what's out there. And from the scuttlebutt I heard from folks inside Apple, there were plenty of people wanting to buy the rights to the molds, the IP, the whole damn package. Apple (read Jobs and buddies) was just too snitty to accept any of the offers.

    I'm impressed by what I'm seeing about the iPhone, though a little more comparison to the Nokia 800 and various Psions would be appreciated. But this is pissant compared to what we would have now if we had gotten TEN FRICKIN' YEARS more improvement of the Newton.

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  16. Re:Has Bletsas ever met an actual child? by couchslug · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "A child doesn't want to play the latest video games. he wants to be able to read a book."

    The children that this will help DO want to read a book. In order to reach the kids who will matter, one must offer opportunity to the group.
    Let's face it, most PEOPLE, anywhere, don't amount to sh1t. That is not a problem. Reaching the few who will learn and use that learning along with the personal ambition and ability to succeed matters.

    Geeks and technically able people are a minority in ALL countries, but we matter.

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  17. FURTHER OLPC BENEFIT! by allanc · · Score: 3, Funny

    I just realized, if we make entire generations of young children in developing nations into computer geeks who can't get laid, we'll also solve the developing world's problems with:
    1. Overpopulation
    2. Teen pregnancy
    3. AIDS and other STDs

    Now I'm even more in favor of the OLPC project!

  18. Not in daily usage. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 3, Informative

    Those library books don't get handled every day. I've been told by someone who worked in library preservation that regular hardcover bindings are good for (and I'm probably messing up these numbers) about twenty checkout-return cycles, whereas the more expensive library bindings they had done would be good for about a hundred before they needed to be rebound. (The library actually preferred to purchase paperbacks and have them rebound, because the hardcover bindings were expensive and comparatively fragile.)

    The point is that library books may not be in constant, daily use; you might be comparing apples to oranges here.

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  19. No moving parts....but by Da_Weasel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In addition, Bletsas indicates that the units have been designed around low-failure operation, with no moving parts. For example, the motherboard sits directly behind the LCD, avoiding the need for a failure-prone connecting cable. So then how is the keyboard on the lower portion of the device communicating with the mother board? Is is using a low power radio transmitter or something? What about the touchpad? And power from the battery?
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  20. Re:Before we project from our own experience ... by carpeweb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    An abundance of (interesting) reading material is a pretty fundamental tool in developing literacy.

    I agree; but I didn't learn to read just by sitting next to a pile of books. People read to me, etc. Note that I didn't claim putting books on the machine was a bad idea. I'm just questioning whether it's sufficient and also pointing out that the discussion of which specific literature might be best, regardless of whether it shows how erudite other posters might have been as wunderkinds.

    TFA indicates that the UI is language-free.

    TFA was also not written by anyone with experience teaching children in developing countries how to read. I'm not one of those, either. I'm just suggesting that consultation with those types of experts seems more important than, again, debating which specific sophisticated literature was most important to which specific child genius here in the developed world. Also, language-free doesn't mean culture-free. That doesn't mean it won't work, just that such basic considerations might be key determinants in the success of the concept. I'll bet you don't have any trouble mapping objects on your Windows screen to "objects" of your intellectual domain. I don't really know which of them is too tightly bound to developed-economy culture to be meaningful to an illiterate child in Libya, but it wouldn't surprise me if some meaningful fraction of them don't find the icons "intuitive".

    I posted this comment mostly because I saw the thread running into the realm of "well, when I was 2 months old, I read ...", which has little to do with the prospects for educating the developing economies, as a public policy proposition. I'm sure 20 years from now, some superstar rags-to-riches success story will in fact be profiled as having been inspired in his/her journey to the top of the Fortune Global 1000 by reading Ayn Rand on his hand-cranked PC. But the masses won't be educated simply by putting books on the machine (again, something that I think seems like a pretty good idea, but not a sufficient one in and of itself).

    Related response to the next criticism of my OP ...

  21. Free textbooks for a cool mil? by phaggood · · Score: 2, Interesting

    >There's absolutely no reason in the world why we shouldn't have a complete set of open content textbooks covering all of a basic liberal education
    Agreed, tho the $100M you mention seems more than should be needed; Wikipedia just raised nearly $1M all from small donations. I can't believe that textbooks for the basic 4 subjects, math, reading, science, history, for 1-8th grade, couldn't be written by a small group of writers in a year for $1M. I bet if you offered a bounty, like 'RentACoder' on two smaller projects, one that created the 'table of contents' for the books, then another to actually write all the chapters, you'd end up with free-to-use e-books that could be used by any district that wished.

    Maybe some of these 'free textbook' sites are a good place to start:

    http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Main_Page
    http://www.businessbookmall.com/Free%20Business%20 Books.htm
    http://digg.com/tech_news/Hundreds_of_Free_Textboo ks_on_one_website
    http://www.textbookrevolution.org/