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Study Claims Offshoring Doesn't Cost US Jobs
SwashbucklingCowboy writes "Infoworld has an article up about a survey by the Software & Information Industry Association claiming that offshoring doesn't cost American jobs. The article quotes the executive director of the SIIA as saying, '[Offshoring] was used almost entirely as a form of expansion, not as a replacement.' Well, if a job is created elsewhere that could have been created in the US, isn't that a job lost?"
I worked for a major retailer for 17 years, then Feb 18 2005 wammo! My job was replaced by offshoring. The person now at my desk is a figurehead (or project manager) for a programming group in Bangalore.
Thanks,
Jim
let me take a wild guess.
you're a young-ish kid, right? 20's or earl 30's tops?
your arrogance of 'prove it' shows you have no compassion for your own fellow US workers.
some day this 'stuff' will happen to YOU. and maybe then you'll "get it".
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Most free traders label everyone who doesn't agree with them protectionist, even though the label doesn't always fit. Lou Dobbs and everyone for fair trade do not want to cut off trade completely. They just want fair protections for the working class, which isn't an unreasonable request.
Free trade never has existed. And it probably never will exist. That's because corporations have built in their own fair protections for their own benefit: copyright, patent, and intellectual property laws. In all the talk and bluster regarding free trade, people like you never ever mention these protectionist laws that benefit the big corporations.
Big businesses are just as protectionist as everyone else. They just don't want anyone to see or point out their hypocrisy when they sing the praises of free trade and deride the rest of us for the same protectionism that they practice.
Sorry, that's hooie. Joe worker is in no position to compete when his costs remain the same and are relatively high compared to the nation that the capitalists can ship their capital to. If it's only a few percent, sure, possible, but to say someone in the US can live on a buck an hour or 5 bucks a day (whatever, some absurdly small number) is just retarded, because they are saying you should be able to compete at that price. And it *is* black and white that way. The big company says they'll ship the job to where they can save on the labor, to increase their bottom line and some CEO salary by a few million, because it's insanely cheaper there, yet they want the same loot for the product.
Yet, I am not seeing any big push by the capitalists or their stooges in government to drop rentals or mortgages or real estate property prices, or even freeze rates by law,nor utility bills, nor cost of transportation, nor local property taxes to pay for the illegals invasion, etc, none of that. You can go to the poorest cheapest cost of living place in the US and you still couldn't live on a buck an hour, even if your house was completely paid off and your car was completely paid off and you never needed new clothes. You still couldn't do it. Our society was set up over a long period of time the way it was, certain costs and obligations, and wealth gradually built up over a lot of manufacturing and then a ton of internal trade. You lose it as a worker in the middle of paying off a house and car and etc you can go down the tubes fairly readily now, and you do it in some area where the bulk of the adults are all in the same industry and all of a sudden everyone is laid off you can't even hardly sell your house. It's happened to any number of millions of people and this year with the ARM rates going up it is going to get worse.
And you want even more proof that this isn't working? Easy! They have to cook the books on the economy to make it look good, use every possible word parsing tactic to call credit "wealth" and get people to believe that fairy tale, they dropped some of the FED reporting on cash in circulation to coverup the on purpose credit expansion by running the presses and just adding zeroes to the data entries, they adjusted cost of living and took out critical necessities to make it look good, they reclassified jobs, and we are now without any shadow of a doubt and this is not debateable, just accept it the most in the red any nation has ever been, all within the last 20 years of this big globalism push. If globalism worked, we'd see some results other than cheap crap at walmart. You wouldn't see so many people against it. We'd still be a creditor nation, not a debtor nation. And if you think debt is wealth, go ahead and try it on a small scale at your bank, try to get a big fat loan approved by using your other debt load as collateral. Go ahead, try it see what happens. But nationally that is what has happened in the US and you and they call it good? If we had a true, not fairy tale but true good economy, 30-50 year mortgages would be unheard of, and those interest-only mortgages they push now? Wouldn't exist. Back before the big globalism "offshore all the jobs you can jobs inshore what can't be offshored" push (the war on the middle class in other words) it was 10 and 20 year house notes max and 18 month car loans and total debt (government/corporate/personal) was extremely low and savings rate was high.
You may call trillions and trillions in debt a good economy, IOUs funding more IOUs trying to fund yet more IOUs, while the CE whatever class keeps getting chunks of billions per year because they "work so hard", but I call it one international dump the dollar panic run away from great depression version 2. And it's going to be much suckier than the first one when it happens. And it is going to happen, inevitable, it's too far gone now.
Many regimes and empires and nations have tried the fiat-fairy tale styled economy dodge in the past, to just paper shuffle busy wo
Ahh, complaints about software outsourcing...
I studied through high school in India and came to the U.S. for college. I remember my CS classes. Our teacher was a dinosaur. He knew about pascal and some basic but he was taught by idiots and consequently his code never got beyond the Hello World level. We were supposed to be learning C++. He did mean well though and freely admitted being ignorant which helped immensely because we were forced to learn by ourselves. I count myself as being very lucky. Several teachers would have shoved what they learned by rote knew down our throats. The quality of software you get back reflects this education, and the price you pay for it. You want good software from India go hire a bunch of IIT and BITS grads and have them do it. You will pay though. Or alternatively, wait a decade or so. Software outsourcing is (paid for!) real world practical training for the next generation of teachers and thats something thats been sorely lacking.
As for the call center jobs... well you could complain about Indians who can't speak English (or American as the case is) but frankly the communication barrier has very little to do with accents or language. I know guys from here that can understand Indian accents easier than they can understand people from central Illinois and Texas. You guys try to imitate Apu frequently enough. Rather, the headache with support people is because they have crappy scripts to read from. Support would suck even if it wasn't outsourced unless you have someone on the other end of the line who actually knows the product he is trying to support. That costs companies money and companies that value their profits more than their customers know they can get away with crap service. Ideally they'd love to not bother with support at all.
Reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled.
Who was so despondent after being laid off, she blew her brains out in the parking lot of the Bank of America IT facility in Concord California.
I think well remember that. The programers were offered severence packages ONLY if they would sit and teach their new Indian replacements their jobs. Who were flown here, from India, to learn their new jobs, and then flown back.
Lets see who desperately needs to reduce IT costs...
2006 - 3rd Quarter After Tax Income - Source Google Financials
Ohhh yeah, damn they are gonna go broke! Quick ship those IT jobs off to someplace where we can get shit code for pennies on the dollar that is nothing but slopped together cookie cutter trash based on Microsoft crap frameworks.
Hey KID! Yeah you, get the fuck off my lawn!