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The Trouble with Physics

SpaceAdmiral writes "You've likely heard of Lee Smolin's book The Trouble with Physics. It has created a lot of controversy because it argues that string theory gets far too much attention and money, despite a complete lack of evidence. It accuses string theorists of groupthink. Smolin has dabbled in string theory from time to time but he's a proponent of the alternative loop quantum gravity. Although irrelevant to this book review, he has also suggested that it is possible that universes reproduce via black holes, making them prone to pressure similar to natural selection (universes that produce a lot of black holes are more successful spawners than those that don't). In The God Delusion, Richard Dawkins quotes Nobel-winner Murray Gell-Mann as once saying, "Smolin? Is he that young guy with those crazy ideas? He may not be wrong."" Read the rest of SpaceAdmiral's review. The Trouble with Physics author Lee Smolin pages 392pp publisher Houghton Mifflin Company rating 9 reviewer Fane Henderson ISBN 0618551050 summary The Rise of String Theory, the Fall of a Science, and What Comes Next

The Trouble with Physics is very unlike most pop-physics books not only in its criticism of string theory, but in its open adulation of Einstein and skepticism of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum theory. Having said that, it does provide a very decent summary of 20th century physics (including string theory) for laypeople, not unlike more traditional pop-physics books (e.g. by Hawking and Greene).

The book's main criticisms of string theory are that it makes no testable predictions and that some things string theorists take for granted haven't been rigorously proven mathematically. Smolin is highly skeptical of many string theorists' reliance on the Anthropomorphic Principle.

The book becomes most interesting somewhere in the middle where he discuses truly controversial approaches to physics. This includes things like MOND, which, interestingly enough, Smolin is skeptical of.

In case you've forgotten your high-school physics, I'm going to use this paragraph to refresh your memory of special relativity to prepare you for the next couple paragraphs. The basic idea of special relativity is that the speed of light is constant. Pretend that I am shining a light at you while (A) standing still relative to you; (B) moving towards you at half the speed of light, and; (C) moving away from you at half the speed of light. In all three scenarios, I will accurately measure the light moving away from me at 3,000,000 km/s and you will accurately measure the light moving toward you at 3,000,000 km/s. To ensure this result, distances and times will have to be different for me than they are for you, except in case (A).

Now I'll quickly remind you of the Planck length: This is a theoretical limit on how small something can be. According to Smolin, all versions of quantum gravity seem to suggest the Planck length as a limit. But would observers moving relative to each other disagree about the Planck length?

I used to be a big fan of MOND (in a layperson sense) until Smolin introduced me to DSR (doubly special relativity) and DSR II. The basic idea is that it may be possible to modify the theories of relativity such that observers agree not only on a constant speed of light, but also on a constant Planck length. It's not unreasonable to guess that a modification of this sort could solve some of the same problems MOND does (e.g. explain astronomical observations without resorting to dark matter and dark energy). Furthermore, since DSR in its current incarnation predicts that more energetic photons are slightly faster than less energetic photons (only the speed of the least energetic photons is constant in DSR), it could also explain away, for example, inflation in the Big Bang model. (Immediately after the Big Bang, everything was hotter and more energetic, so the average speed of light would have been faster than it is now if DSR is correct.) Although I'm not qualified to judge the actual mathematics of such a theory, I find it very appealing for reasons of consilience.

I was slightly disappointed with the final chapters of Smolin's book since, despite an obvious effort to the contrary, it struck me as awfully bitter and reeked of sour grapes. Leaving physics in favor of sociology, he lambasted the current tenure and peer review systems (particularly in the United States) as favoring Master Craftspeople (like those scientists who developed the standard model of particle physics) over Seers (like Einstein, Bohr, and de Broglie) who look at the deep questions of physics that border on the philosophical rather than the latest technical problem. A few interesting things do emerge in these chapters. One such thing is that Smolin seems to have a soft spot for Paul Feyerabend as a philosopher of science (despite describing himself as a proud Popperazzo in an endnote). Another is that Smolin thinks a scientist who is hated by half his senior colleagues and loved by the other half is likely better than a scientist who is liked by all his senior colleagues. I strongly recommend this book.

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  1. Two sides by 2.7182 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I see two sides to this. Smolin has a point. Most string theory papers are garbage. (True of many fields). But Smolin himself has not been research active in a long time. And it is unlikely that he understands enough mathematics to judge string theory - like most people.

  2. The real trouble with this physics is that by roman_mir · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nothing for you to see here. Please move along.

    Although irrelevant to this book review, he has also suggested that it is possible that universes reproduce via black holes, making them prone to pressure similar to natural selection (universes that produce a lot of black holes are more successful spawners than those that don't). doesn't the same despite a complete lack of evidence quote apply to this just as well?

  3. Correction by 2.7182 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Smolin is research active, but I seriously doubt he understands what Ed Witten did in the 1990's, for example.

  4. Scientists Incorrectly Though To Be Perfect by ranton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A big problem amongst educated people is to think that scientists are not prone to the same illogical behavior as average people. We think that they are immune to "following the flock" or otherwise being influenced by their peers.

    While scientists are in general better than average people at being objective, they still tend to have their own biases. Spending you life working on a particular theory makes it hard to give it up even when the evidence disproves it. Even an objective scientist is going to have problems throwing away their life's work.

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    1. Re:Scientists Incorrectly Though To Be Perfect by rho · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For example, the quote from Gell-Mann in the review's summary. It's an interesting bit of personal history, but has nothing to do with any physics. What Gell-Mann thinks about anybody's physics is utterly irrelevant. By definition the only thing of interest in science is what can be proven. But scientists, being people, will put more weight on one person's opinion over another's for unscientific reasons.

      The scientific method is very good for getting at the reasons behind something, but once you start to worship science as an abstract, you've lost perspective.

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    2. Re:Scientists Incorrectly Though To Be Perfect by Keebler71 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Excellent points... funny how when I raise the same points in a global warming discussion (not that it isn't occurring, just that scientists are human and have biases) ... I get modded down...

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  5. Another Correction by 2.7182 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    OK, so he has a paper on M-Theory, so he probably does understand the latest stuff. But my main point still stands. This is just a thing about who gets to build the bigger empire and get more publicity, power and money. Just like the entertainment industry!

  6. the reason string theory gets money by Gromius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because theres not a lot else in fundamental theoretical particle physics to spend it on. Basically we've reached the point where everything we can test right now is tested and understood and there hasnt been any significant surprises in the last 30 years. Basically the cludge that is the Standard Model works far too well and its completely theoretically worked out. And the theorists are just screwing around with silly things now because they are waiting for experiment to catch up with theory. We hope that this will happen when the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) turns on and that we will find something unexpected. This will give us the clue what to try next theoretically. And as soon as that happens, the theorists interest in string theory will disappear as they will (hopefully) have something new to work on to explain (hopefully) very strange experimental results. Particle physics is either about to go through a golden age in two years time or its going to wither and die.

    1. Re:the reason string theory gets money by Gromius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Basically we've reached the point where everything we can test right now is tested and understood

      Sorry this is my particle physicist bias coming in. I should have been a bit clearer in my post. Basically everything we can test today that involves a collider has been tested and its all in amazing agreement with the Standard Model. So the theorists are getting a bit bored because there isnt really any clues right now for what to do next. Things like gravity waves and Bs mixing and even the top quark discovery were nice but they only confirmed previous, completely theorically worked out theories which doesnt leave theorists much to do. Hence string theory and to a lesser extend SUSY. You are completely correct that there are non collider based things out there that really do help with things like understanding gravity and that might be the way we find the next new thing if the LHC doesnt find anything.

      With regards to the more we learn about our Universe, the more questions are raised, you are completely right. The Standard Model asks more questions than it solves and its really an adhoc cludge. Why are there 4 seeming unrelated forces? Why are there 3 generations? Why is gravity so weak? The electroweak sector and qcd are completely unrelated in the Standard Model but if quarks dont have 3 colours, electroweak theory doesnt work. However my point was that we havnt had a new theory for a long time and we havent needed one to explain every particle physics observation. Sure we have a few discrepant things like dark matter which is telling us that our current theories probably arent fundamental. But untill we have some dark matter to study, its going to be very hard to use this information to construct a new theory (its really easy to make a dark matter candidate in a theory). The Standard Model is more than 30 years old, general relativity is obviously old. All the theory was worked out ages ago and we still dont require anything more than them. And we havent found an smoking gun to tell us what lies beyond these theories so the theorists are bored and waiting for the experimentalists to point them in the right direction.

      Also as a particle physicist, I also believe that if we dont find something at the LHC (okay two years is harsh, lets say five) to give us a clue or even worse we just find the Higgs and nothing else, its going to be very hard to get funding for experiment beyond the LHC (the linear collider will be a bit pointless if we dont have anything to study with it). And we are going to have to wait many decades before we would be able to build a collider with enough energy to make it worthwhile given that we didnt find anything last time. So particle physics in its current collider based form will die. However as you said, there are other things which are fringe particle physics things which we would probably do instead.

  7. Re:Why string theory is stupid by Coryoth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On the contrary, string theory is very interesting, and has a great deal of interesting things to say. The issue is more that it is mathematics not physics. There is, of course, nothing wrong with mathematics for its own sake. Indeed, many physics theories were preceeded by the development of purely mathematical work - where would general relativity be without Riemann's work on manifolds for instance? In many ways string theory could be classified in a similar sort of category - it is a lot of very interesting mathematics that could, one day, be applied to the development of a physical theory. The dilemma comes when people act as if it is physics instead of mathematics.

  8. How long is a piece of string? by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The real problem I see is that there is no real string. Most physics so far has been based on real things: mass, electrons,... Strings are just a modelling tool.

    As physics progresses we seek for something that was hidden from the previous generation of physics. For example we start with observing gravity happen. 100k years ago (or 6k years ago - depending on your worldview) Ogg drops rock, ogg gets sore toe. Then more recently someone figured out it is because of mass/proximity of objects. Then someone figures out a characterising equation. Then someone else figures it is because space is bent. Then strings. No longer are we improving our observations. Now we're coming out with mathematical models of things that don't really exist.

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    1. Re:How long is a piece of string? by eipipuz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your idea of "real object" is very very strange. Mass?? It's just a characteristic of matter. And an electron is as real as quark, and that doesn't exist by itself! Always in couples or triplets. We are improving our observations, it's just that it isn't visible. Call it measurement. If there are strings, they have ways to interact with us. I won't even bite the "mathematical models of things that don't really exist", because physics is by definition a model, a mathematical model. It's a map about reality.

    2. Re:How long is a piece of string? by ardor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      [i]If you aren't reasoning about the true nature of what you study, then you're not studying science any more. You've entered predictive religion.[/i]

      Well, what is "truth"? The answer is: there is no "truth", at least not for science. Science deals with [i]models[/i]. *Religions* try to deal with truth. "There is a God waiting in heaven".... sold as absolute truth. How can you argue against an absolute truth? You see the dilemma here? Since science cannot claim to know the true nature of things, it deals with models applied to observable phenomena. Better models replace or extend current ones etc.

      Once you try to nail down something as "THE truth", you get into trouble, or cause some for others.

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    3. Re:How long is a piece of string? by Ambitwistor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      String theory can produce plenty of models outside of what any quantum field theory can model. (Or at least, without said QFT being dual to a string theory.) The problem is that there aren't strong reasons to believe that the models which predict observable results are more likely than the ones that predict results that we'll never have the capability to measure.

    4. Re:How long is a piece of string? by smallfries · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure, but science has avoided "truth" for a long time, and stuck to empiricism. What is falsifiable? It may not be a truth, in some deep sense, but it captures what we need to be pragmatic about describing reality. I think the classic objection to string theory is not so much that it isn't true, but that it cannot be falsified. Instead of making no predications about the universe it makes all possible predictions, and so it's always right and always wrong. In a very real sense it has become a religion in physics.

      Of course, it may just be a passing phase, and at some point string theory may become refined enough to make falsifible predictions about reality, or not. The current state of things goes way beyond the standard pre-paradigmatic state of science. There are serious alarm bells ringing about whether or not string theory even is science.

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  9. Science is prediction, not explaination by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Science is prediction, not explanation" - Fred Hoyle

    The serious problem with string theory is that it doesn't yield falsifiable predictions. Theories which don't yield falsifiable predictions are not useful - you can't check them by experiment, you can't effectively choose between them, and you can't develop engineering based on them.

    This matters. From subatomic physics we got nuclear power. From quantum electrodynamics we got semiconductors and lasers. From string theory we got nothing. If you can't make predictions, you can't do engineering design.

    With string theory, you can create pretty mathematical objects, but it's not clear that there's any connection to the real world. Smolin says that's bad physics, and he's probably right.

    There's real progress in physics, but it's mostly at the low-energy, low temperature end. Seemingly impossible objects like Bose-Einstein condensates and materials with negative indices of refraction have both been demonstrated. Quantum computing is hard to do, but real. That's progress. But the high energy physicists and the cosmologists have been stuck for a while.

    It's possible for an entire field to take a wrong turn like this. Artificial intelligence did, back in the 1980s, when the expert systems people were claiming that strong AI was just around the corner. Then came the "AI winter". Twenty years later, AI is moving again, but with new approaches (more statistics, less formal logic) and new people.

    1. Re:Science is prediction, not explaination by fermion · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Prediction is engineering, that is the application of known rules to know what will work and what will not work. Prediction is also what some theoretical physicist do, you know the swine that get hit on the head when they find a truffle.

      The base of physics, shared equally by experimental and theoretical physicist, is the collection and concise modeling and classification of data in such a way that is self consistant and is amenable to simple 'laws' that can be used to make predictions. The predictions are used to determine if and how that models can be used for interpolation, that is to explain phenomenon outside the domain of the original data. The prediction in themselves do not necessarily imply that the model is good or bad.

      As such science is about discovering the limits of our models and then devising better models that can be used more generally. We see, obviously, that certain things fall faster than others, but we also know that in a simple gravitational field, with no other forces, all objects will 'fall' at the same rate. We know that the acceleration of an object is due the mass of the object and forces acting on the object, an in general, as long as the amount of stuff stays constant, the mass can be assumed as constant. And for all speeds we normally see this is true, and the law made many good predictions, until it didn't, but it still has a wide domain.

      But what most people talk about when speaking of predictions is the ludicrous mathematical models, like quantum mechanics and special relativity, that we take as given simply because they solved certain problems, even though they make little sense. We are willing to forgive the nonsense because they can be used to predict real effects. These laws may or may not reflect 'reality', but as long as the create engineering marvels, or solve other pesky problems, we are happy to allow them to complicate our lives. But what has string theory done? Nothing! Does it make out lives easier? Do we work less? Absolutely not. So it must be wrong.

      The thing is that they do seem to model some data pretty well. At this point there is no real way to find out if the math does anything else than model some data, but who knows. The thing is at this point we seem to be in the same kind of trouble we were in 100 years ago or so. Old models were showing cracks, things were not explained, and we needed some major changes to make things right. These major changes were not comfortable, and we still are dealing with it, although I do not think the copenhagen thing is one we still have to debate. But we do need to get QM and GR settled. We do need to figure out what constants are really constant. We do need to figure out the shape of the universe and what is going on with the expansion. The people are working on the problem are those that are doing the math, not those that are complaining about those that are doing the math.

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  10. They are all just interpretations by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The real stuff is the equations, which all the interpretations agree on. And all the predictions spring from the equations.

    The interpretations aren't right or wrong, they are just how we translate the math into our daily language. If the Copenhagen Interpretation works for you, use it, otherwise choose one of the others. It does not matter.

  11. "Real" versus "Model" by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Your idea of "real object" is very very strange. Mass?? It's just a characteristic of matter.

    Agreed. We cannot tell the difference betwen a "model" and something "real" other than our model of it fitting observations. But fitting observations only tells us how accurate our model is. It says nothing directly about wether something is "real" or not. Wrong models can still fit reality. But perhaps it does not matter. Ideally we would like to have the "correct" model, but a wrong model that produces all the answers the right one does could be equally useful from a technology standpoint (assuming it is not more complicated).

    1. Re:"Real" versus "Model" by eipipuz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How can it be a "wrong model" if it is indistinguishable from the "right one"? If two models give the same responses... you know, if it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, eats... Maybe it's a homonymy. Like every NP-hard problem which is really the same thing. For those without complexity theory, the traveler sales problem and the determining the minimum number of colors needed to draw a map. Though they seem different, are faces of the same thing.

  12. No, just proper attribution by snowwrestler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The point is that Gell-Mann hasn't written off Smolin, which may lend some degree of credence to him. The only reason Dawkins is mentioned is to properly attribute the quote. I understand your confusion though; proper attribution is so rare on the InterWebs these days.

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  13. Re:Maybe quantum theory is wrong too... by kestasjk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The quote you're referring to is "God does not roll dice" - Einstein, but your mention of God worries me because Einstein wasn't referring to a supernatural God but using God as a label for the way the universe ticks. (This was discussed at length in Dawkin's book mentioned above actually)

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