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Inside MySpace.com

lizzyben writes "Baseline is running a long piece about the inner workings of MySpace.com. The story chronicles how the social networking site has continuously upgraded its technology infrastructure — not entirely systematically — to accommodate more than 26 million accounts. It was a rocky road and there are still hiccups, several of which writer David F. Carr details here." From the story: "MySpace.com's continued growth flies in the face of much of what Web experts have told us for years about how to succeed on the Internet. It's buggy, often responding to basic user requests with the dreaded 'Unexpected Error' screen, and stocked with thousands of pages that violate all sorts of conventional Web design standards with their wild colors and confusing background images. And yet, it succeeds anyway."

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  1. Everyone uses it by burbankmarc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's not the stability or the design,it's just that people now adays say "what's your myspace" rather than "what's your phone number" There's tons of other sites out there with more functionality and more stable servers, but...no one uses those, do they?

    1. Re:Everyone uses it by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not the stability or the design,it's just that people now adays say "what's your myspace" rather than "what's your phone number" There's tons of other sites out there with more functionality and more stable servers, but...no one uses those, do they?

      Who are you talking about? Teenagers and college students? You must be, because as an adult, I don't know anyone that says anything of the sort and if they did I would ignore them from that point on. Please note, I'm only slightly outside of the age range where that site is most popular.

    2. Re:Everyone uses it by nunojsilva · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's the same that's happening with MSN Instant Messaging: It's broken, the official client is the worst IM client I've ever seen, and it does not support important features as formatted text (multiple formatting in a single message), but people use it.

      Also, when somebody wants to discuss something, or just talk, over the Internet, he/she asks "What's your MSN?".

      Talking about MySpace, I've only visited it a couple of times (to see a football (soccer) player's myspace (which, probably, was just built by some fans), and Nick Sagan's one), and I told myself "I've never seen a site like this one - how can they call this a web page?".

      But I know this sort of sites. At school my colleagues don't use myspace, they use hi5. And I've used it some times when I was still accessing it from public computers, with Portable Firefox. But when I accessed it with my laptop (i686 300Mhz 64Mb), it was *very* slow to load.

      Solution? A member of the INDUCKS project invited me to their forum at orkut, so I started exploring that social network. It had the same sort of silly server errors (sometimes you see a "Bad, bad server, no donut for you!"), but they didn't occur as frequently as in hi5, and the site design is clearer than the one used at Orkut.

      Fortunately GMAIL and Orkut have Gtalk integration, which means that everyone with an account in one of these services will be able to login at gtalk. This is good for me because some of my colleagues had to change to GMAIL accounts because a (very good!) teacher told us he wanted to send important documents via e-mail and that Hotmail was not the ideal tool, and the consequency is that now I'm able to talk to them using gtalk instead of MSN.

      The big problem here is "eye candy". People like myspace because it's eye candy. People like the MSN client because it's eye candy. And the same happens with hi5 and other equally bad sites.

      There's tons of other sites out there with more functionality and more stable servers, but...no one uses those, do they?

      May you tell us which better sites do you know? I'd like to know :-)

    3. Re:Everyone uses it by HAKdragon · · Score: 4, Informative

      As an ex-myspacer, I know of the ocular and mental angish caused by some of the pages on myspace. However, greasemonkey and the myspace custome style remover script make using myspace bearable.

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    4. Re:Everyone uses it by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Insightful
      MySpace shouldn't have allowed their users to modify the pages so heavily. They shouldn't have allowed people to have music that plays when you visit the page. They shouldn't have made a system that can't talk to other stuff (like del.icio.us tags or RSS readers). They shouldn't have made it so freaking hard to use. (It takes three times as many clicks to do on something on MySpace than what it should take.)

      It's fascinating to see such a comment modded up on Slashdot - which is normally the bastion of freedom and personal rights to do whatever the hell they want, when they want.
       
       
      I write web apps for a living.

      But here we see the truth - Slashdot who screams the loudest when $MEDIA_MEGACORP tramples on *their* (assumed) rights - bellows equally loudly when their own ox is gored.
       
       
      I know what a good app looks like. I could write a better MySpace clone in the space of a weekend. However, nobody would use it. Why? Because it's not "MySpace."
      It's no wonder they had so much trouble keeping the system up and running, because they're obviously not professionals.

      The term you are looking for is sour grapes.
  2. Scalability by eviloverlordx · · Score: 4, Funny
    In November, MySpace, for the first time, surpassed even Yahoo in the number of Web pages visited by U.S. Internet users, according to comScore Media Metrix, which recorded 38.7 billion page views for MySpace as opposed to 38.05 billion for Yahoo.

    The bad news is that MySpace reached this point so fast, just three years after its official launch in November 2003, that it has been forced to address problems of extreme scalability that only a few other organizations have had to tackle.


    I agree. Keeping up with all of the pedophiles is something that most businesses rarely have to deal with.
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  3. printer friendly by pezzonovante1 · · Score: 4, Informative
  4. For now. by onion2k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And yet, it succeeds anyway.

    All that "power" that they've given to the users, coupled with the nasty CSS it takes to use it, will be their undoing. There's no way that they can change now without breaking millions of profiles and really annoying a huge number of their users. It's a textbook example of poor long term vision. MySpace is a huge success now, and it will continue to be for a while. One day though someone will make a social network that is quick, easy, and customisable in a well-thought out way. Then MySpace will empty very, very quickly.

    Mind you, there's no reason why that site wouldn't be MySpace2 or something. I'm only refering to the network, not the company.

  5. Niche market... by djones101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    MySpace has the stranglehold on the niche market. Any and every person who just wants their own pegboard, office cubicle side, or office wall to decorate can do so in cyberspace, especially students who otherwise have no way to really express themselves (at least in their own opinion). It takes very little experience to develop your own page that does exactly what you want. It's the Google Gadget system for the common user, or Geektools for High Schoolers, if you want to call it that. Unless someone can find a good way to draw a significant userbase away from MySpace (and I haven't seen anything that will come close), they will continue to succeed.

  6. Everyone signs up because.. by necro2607 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... they click on the pictures of the hot girls, only to get a "You must be logged in to do that!" message.

  7. Why is it so hard? by dedazo · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Every single time I see a MySpace "analysis" there's that snide, bloghorati uber-alles comment about "web standards" and "lack of design". Holy crap. I am no fan of MySpace, but at least I'm mature enough to realize that people (normal people) don't give a dead rat's ass about CSS, DOM, XHTML, microformats, "mashups" or any of that other stuff that the self-appointed standards nannies of teh interwebs have decided everyone should observe closely or face death. A standardized and structured semantic web space is important, but please rent a fucking clue. They don't care. MySpace is never going to fix something that in their opinion is quite certainly not broken, because their users love it, and they get to dance with it all the way to the bank.

    Just fucking deal with it and stop pointing out that ==--~~L0N3rz1124~~--=='s blog does not validate. We know, and they don't give a shit.

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  8. Google. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I want everyone to remember that when Google came out, there were quite a few well-known search engines out already. Google was simply better enough than the others that it took over.

    If anyone is reading this, and has the resources to do it -- or maybe has some 20% time at Google -- the only real solution to MySpace (other than praying that they fix it themselves) is to offer a competing service that is so ridiculously much better than MySpace that it will do what Google did. Anyone remember Facebook? In college, not a single person used MySpace, yet everyone was in Facebook -- if Facebook was open to the public (not just people in school), it would likely kick MySpace's ass around the block.

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    1. Re:Google. by vasqzr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In college, not a single person used MySpace, yet everyone was in Facebook -- if Facebook was open to the public (not just people in school), it would likely kick MySpace's ass around the block.

      I believe it is open now.

      Do you really want the people on MySpace taking over Facebook?

  9. And we know why they're there. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Funny

    As far as personal profiles go, I'd suspect most people are pretty young, like 20s. But I know of many people in their 30s with MySpace sites also.

    So, in other words, MySpace's chief demographics are "20-somethings" and "people trying to sleep with 20-somethings."

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  10. Well... by remmelt · · Score: 4, Funny

    His keyboard repeat rate probably couldn't keep up with the exponential browser pop ups.

  11. Retrieving comment... by awing0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sorry! an unexpected error has occurred.

    This error has been forwarded to Slashdot's technical group.

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  12. Examples of horrible MySpace design? by TerranFury · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I keep hearing references to horribly designed myspace profiles. For the benefit of those Slashdotters who haven't see this dreck, please post your most egregious examples in reply.

  13. Re:Membership Milestones? by Viper+Daimao · · Score: 4, Funny

    No, they went from 150 million down to 26 million. You obviously forgot this story.

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  14. Re:I Would Have Signed Up... by Short+Circuit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Firefox doesn't respond to a normal application close signal when stuck in intensive Javascript loops. I run into similar problems in some articles on Slashdot.

    They really need to break the Javascript engine into a separate thread and avoid hinging all browser response on it. Or maybe that's just a flaw with the XUL way of doing things. Dunno.

  15. The Bright Side of MySpace. by Paulrothrock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Look at it this way: The more people use MySpace, the fewer "OMG FWD THIS TO EVERY 1 U NO!!!" emails you'll get. It's like a ghetto for annoying people on the Internet.

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  16. What were they thinking? by Percy_Blakeney · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm a bit surprised that at the sequence of stages that their architecture went through. They bought expensive servers, mega-expensive SAN's, completely changed their platform from ColdFusion to ASP.NET, tried data segmentation...

    And then finally implemented a caching layer in front of the databases!

    That should have been the very first thing that they tried, as any experienced developer would have known. Instead of buying that SAN for a billion dollars, maybe they should have just invested in some competent employees.