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Wikipedia Adds No Follow to Links

netbuzz writes "In an attempt to thwart spammers and search-engine optimization mischief, Wikipedia has begun tagging all external links on its site "nofollow", which renders those links invisible to search engines. Whether this is a good thing, a bad thing, or simply unavoidable has become a matter of much debate." This topic has come up before and the community voted to remove nofollow back in 2005. This new round of nofollow comes as a directive from Wikia President, Jimbo Wales.

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  1. Re:Neither good nor bad. It's immaterial. by Dan+Farina · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually this sort of flow model was well documented in IR, AI, and mathematic research for a period long before Google. While credit should be delivered for implementing this scheme in a world of already-entrenched search engines, it falls into the category of age-old computer science. This same scheme is also used to compute the final likelihood of states in Markov models -- a technique at least 30 or 40 years old.

    In a nutshell: the eigenvalues of the adjacency matrix.

  2. Not invisible by truthsearch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    which renders those links invisible to search engines.

    Uh, not really. The big search engines choose to not follow those links.

    Using nofollow reduces the incentive for spammers, but in this case it will hurt search engines. Google wants to provide the most worthy links at the top of search results. Being linked from wikipedia is supposed to denote reliable sources or very relevant information. Therefore Google is slightly more accurate for having those links to follow in wikipedia. The nofollow will make search engines slightly less useful.

  3. Call this version 1.0 by victim · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This should be considered a step in an evolving policy. The next step should be that old links, ones that have survived many edits and time as well as links added or edited by known and trusted editors should omit the no-follow tag. Then wikipedia can continue to serve as an interpreter of the WWW.

  4. I doubt it'll stop wiki spamming by jesterzog · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't think this will do much to stop Wikipedia link spamming for several reasons:

    • Many spam links on Wikipedia aren't commercially motivated spam, but just people who've naively put external links in articles without properly understanding or caring about the editing policy. They're not thinking so much about search engines as about pointing people to their website (or their favourite website) because they think it's more important than it probably is. If it's a relatively obscure article, it might stay there for months or longer before someone goes through and reviews the links.

    • Wikipedia is only one of the websites that publishes Wikipedia content. There are lots of other sources that clone it, precisely as they're allowed to under the licence, and re-publish it. They usually add advertising to the content, or use it to lure people to some other form of revenue. These sites are easy to find by picking a phrase from Wikipedia and keying it in to a search engine like Google, and I doubt they'll add the nofollow attribute to their reproductions of the content.

      Wikipedia is probably treated as a more important source of links by search engines, but whatever's published on Wikipedia will be re-published in many other places within the weeks that it takes for the new content to be crawled and to propagate. And links on any Wikipedia articles will propagate too, of course.

    • Even if you ignore search engines, having external links from a well written Wikipedia article that gets referenced and read a lot is probably going to generate at least some traffic to a website. Wikipedia articles are often a good place to find good external sources, probably because they get audited and the crappy ones get removed from time to time. This is exactly what provides motivation for spammers to try and get their links added, though.

    Good on them for trying something, but I don't think it'll stop spammers very much.

  5. Re:Idea for a New Search Engine with Unique Rankin by interiot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yahoo Mindset lets you search for sites that are more commercial, or more informational. Sites with the most nofollow incoming links may fit into the "more commercial" group. (by the way, does anybody know how Mindset actually works?)

  6. Re:Wikipedia and Internet-Topology by David+Gerard · · Score: 5, Interesting
    "If somebody were really intent on "overgrazing" wikipedia, automated troll-bots would have no difficulty spewing crap all over it faster than the community could work to revert it. I'll be honest, I'm surprised I haven't seen more if it already."


    You will be utterly unsurprised to know this happens already ...

    In general, any obvious objection to the idea of a wiki encyclopedia already happens and is already dealt with day to day. We have a ridiculous array of spambots and vandalbots already attacking Wikipedia and trying to turn it to their use, never mind our work trying to write an encyclopedia. So we have an EQUALLY ridiculous array of antivandalbots to deal with these things as needed. Our immune system is quite frightening to contemplate at times ...
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  7. Re:Wikipedia and Internet-Topology by David+Gerard · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "Personally, I'm astonished that Wikipedia hasn't done this from the beginning."


    All the Wikipedias other than English have had this in place already. It's just that the flood of spammers has been so bad on English Wikipedia we've finally had to put it on there too.

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  8. Could be a tax issue for Wikipedia by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wales' behavior may be an issue for Wikipedia. If the same person is involved with a profit-making venture and a nonprofit in the same area, the tax status of the nonprofit becomes questionable. When a US nonprofit files their tax return, they have to list any officers or directors involved with profit-making ventures in the same field.

    The IRS is concerned because if you have a nonprofit and a for-profit organization under the same management, it's often possible to structure things so that the for-profit corporation shows a phony tax loss.

  9. Could they not do it smarter? by mi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For example, auto-add the "nofollow" only to the links added in recent edits (for some definition of recent). Once a particular link was part of the page long enough (and survived other people's edits), it can be followed by the search engines...

    I, for one, contributed a number of wild-life pictures to Wikipedia, but am also selling them in my own shop. I don't think, it is unfair for me to expect links to my shop from the contributed images to be followed...

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