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Intel Discrete Graphics Chips Confirmed

Arun Demeure writes "There have been rumors of Intel's re-entry into discrete graphics for months. Now Beyond3D reports that Intel has copped to the project on their own site. They describe it as a 'many-core' architecture aimed at 'high-end client platforms,' but also extending to other market segments in the future, with 'plans for accelerated CPU integration.' This might also encourage others to follow Intel's strategy of open-sourcing their Linux drivers. So, better watch out NVIDIA and AMD/ATI — there's new competition on the horizon."

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  1. Intel Video hardware is just nice... by vhogemann · · Score: 3, Informative

    And if they enter the gaming video market, I can assure you that my next videboard will be an Intel one.

    Intel drivers for Linux Just Work(TM). I installed Ubuntu 6.10 on my Acer notebook, with a i915g video adapter, and everything worked without any extra effort. And I'm even able to use Beryl/Compiz as my default window manager, without any stability issues.

    Both nVidia and ATI should learn from Intel.

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    1. Re:Intel Video hardware is just nice... by MrNemesis · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've also recently switched to an Intel GFX card for my Myth backend - integrated GMA X3000 in a GigaByte 965G-DS3. Nice board and, in general, nice graphics - after a bit of tinkering getting xorg working with DRI was pretty easy (although fiddling with 915resolution to get my 1680x1050 TFT working at native res was a bit of a pain, but then I guess that's the "attraction" of using Gentoo ;)).

      However, like Andy Dodd point out there are several glaring omissions in the driver; the biggest one for me is that XvMC doesn't work (meaning I can't play back HD video). If Intel were really serious about the Linux market, XvMC would be included in the drivers for the 9xx chipsets, but they're not. I haven't experimented with things like S3TC since I'm not much of a games buff (and I have a dual-boot workstation with an nVidia card in it anyway), but I wonder how much stuff Intel will leave out of their open source drivers in the future - if not throug lazyness, then by being strong-armed by the mafiaa's of this world.

      What with all the fandango about HDCP and protected audio/video paths I'm fairly certain that HD will never be officially supported under Linux, although I'm not too versed in how the protection scheme works (please correct my assumptions if I'm wrong) - I'm guessing that that video driver has to auth against the chipset to verify that it's "protected", whcih then auths against the monitor to enable HD output for stuff like HDDVD. Since I can't see any manufacturer in their right mind open-sourcing the routine for key exchange (since it's security through obscurity if my understanding of priv/public key crypto is up to snuff), then to me it seems the options are:

      1) Require a closed source driver, and mandate that video/audio playback mechanisms also support the same key exchange system (which would, again, have to be closed source for fear of teh crackerz)
      2) Just not bother supporting HD stuff at all, requiring AACS and the rest to be cracked wide open before they're playable on Linux
      3) Just not bother supporting Linux

      Can anyone more adept with the HDCP situation (or debacle as I like to think of it) explain how things like open source video drivers are able to exist in an HDCP environment?

      I relaise I've gone slightly OT, but it's taken me the best part of an hour to write this post as I'm at work and everyone wants something fixed...

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  2. Re:What desktop motherboard? by chrish · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Intel GMA950 is the one Apple's using in the Mac Mini and MacBook laptops, and doesn't seem too horrible for an integrated shared-memory GPU; it runs all the spiffy OS X eye-candy nicely, and I've had people tell me that playing games (World of Warcraft natively, or City of Heroes after installing BootCamp and XP) on it is fine.

    Since gaming isn't really your focus if you're running Linux ;-), I imagine the GMA950 chipset (or something newer) would be great for KDE/GNOME/etc. even when they start using OpenGL.

    Maybe something like Asus' P5B motherboards (P5B-VM and P5B-V)?

    (Note an Asus employee or stockholder, just a happy customer of an ASUS P4G8X Deluxe).

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  3. Re:My money is on NVidia by thue · · Score: 2, Informative

    most people could care less about which graphics card they have

    They could care less? It would only possible do be able to care less if you actually cared.

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  4. Re:Intel is the only one... by guy-in-corner · · Score: 3, Informative

    The graphics part of S3 was sold to VIA at about the same time as it transformed to SONIC|blue. So the Chapter 11 thing is irrelevant.

  5. Re:Question about Intel Media Accelerator 9XX by xenocide2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    As far as I know, the GMA 9xx series is a couple generations behind, performance wise. It should play quake3 and UT2k4 just fine, but it seems to have trouble with the Doom 3 engine, and I suspect the new UT engine will also be unplayable. On the windows side, it doesn't work with halflife2 either. Seems the most likely kind of game to fail is a new FPS. But I hear aero and Xgl/AIGLX work fine, so you may be satisfied with the current Intel offerings. The wikipedia page seems like a good place to start researching if you're still interested.

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  6. Re:Mostly they are efficient by default+luser · · Score: 2, Informative

    It works even better than that: if you can reduce the operating frequency of the chip, you can typically affoed to reduce the voltage. Whereas dynamic power usage is proportional to frequency, it is also proportional to the square of the voltage.

    The voltage required for a device depends on the device complexity, and the frequency - for every device, you can find a sweet-spot in terms of voltage per unit frequency, after which you tend to get decreasing returns. By selling a device clocked at its "sweet spot," you can deliver high efficiency and decent performance. The 7600 GS, at 1.15v core, is an example of a chip in its sweet spot - at less than 25w, you can have performance for very little power. The 7600 GT, by comparison, offers only %40 more performance for %60-70 more power (~36w), thanks to its much higher core voltage (1.35v).

    With every process generation, you can push this sweet spot a little further - for example, the sweet spot of the GeForce 6 series was the 6600, clocked at 300 MHz core. With the move from 11nm to 90nm (6600->7600), we get a more complex chip and a boost to 400 MHz for the same power envelope. I expect to see a similar "sweet-spot" chip available from Nvidia when the 8800 series makes its way to 65nm...probably a cut-down chip with only 48 shader units (8800GTX has 128).

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  7. Liar! by bogie · · Score: 2, Informative

    The GMA950 is a crap 3D card. Even the most basic google research shows that it is NOT a return of Intel to 3D and no reviewer worth a dam has said the graphics "scream". Poor performance and incomplete 3d support are the hallmarks of the GMA950. If you play nothing but Quake II than yea, the GMA950 is for you.

    http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1821814 ,00.asp
    http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2427 &p=3
    http://everythingapple.blogspot.com/2006/03/intel- gma-950-terrible-opengl.html

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  8. Re:But will they do DVI? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2, Informative

    MacBooks and MacMinis ship with DVI on board.

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