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First Flying Dinosaurs Had Biplane Structure

unchiujar writes to mention a BBC article about the design of the first flying dinosaurs. These possible early ancestors of avians apparently resembled biplanes in many ways, with legs hanging down in a fashion similar to WWI fighters. The researchers who made this discovery use this to argue the 'trees down' model of flight evolution, but the article points out this design may possibly be a failed evolutionary experiment. From the article: "Dr Chatterjee, from Texas Tech University in Lubbock, US, explained that two lines of evidence had led the team to this conclusion. Firstly, the researchers argue, dinosaurs and birds move their legs in a vertical plane, not sideways as the tandem flight pattern requires. Secondly, the feathers on Microraptor's hind legs are asymmetrical; one of the two vanes that extend either side of the shaft is narrower than the other. Aerodynamically, the narrow leading edge of these feathers should face forward in flight, against the direction of airflow. This would have given the flying reptiles lift. "

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  1. Re:Not designed properly by Bazman · · Score: 5, Funny

    You'd think a flying spaghetti monster would have no trouble designing a flying thing...

  2. Samuel Jackson would be t3h p1ss3d by neuro.slug · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Enough is enough! I've had it with this muthafuckin' snakes lookin' like muthafuckin' planes!"

  3. Re:Not designed properly by danpsmith · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It is interesting that people who don't believe in design can't help themselves and use the word "design."

    It's not like the bunch of quacks that drummed up the "intelligent design" theory invented the word "design." Using it doesn't make anyone religious.

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  4. And in fact... by Belial6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And in fact, the ID folks specifically chose to use the words they did specifically to illicit responses just like yours. They hoped that they could use the choice of words to create confusion and hopefully trick people so they couldn't tell the difference between science and fairy tales.

  5. Re:Not designed properly by Punko · · Score: 3, Informative

    Except it wasn't the first design for non-insect flying animals.

    Pterosaurs preceeding flying dinosaurs by 75 million years. Pterosaurs were single winged and enormously successful.

    Modern birds evolved from the first flying dinosaurs, not from Pterosaurs, although Pterosaurs and dinosaurs had a common ancestor.

    There are 4 independant times flight evolved: Insects, pterosaurs, birds, and mammals. 4 different wing structures developed, and in the latter 3 cases, 3 different bone arrangments to support the wings.

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  6. Re:Flamewar in 3. . .2. . .1 by Big+Smirk · · Score: 3, Informative

    Without flaming your question. I assume what your really meant was "How did they evolve".

    Assume for a moment that feather like structures were already in nature. (Think hair or quills like porcupine)

    Now, if you lived in the trees, like squirrels, it might be advantages to stay in the trees and avoid predators that walk along the ground. So to find food, you either climbed down quickly, and run to the next tree -or- you jump from tree to tree.

    If you had feathers you could probably jump further, meaning you can reach trees that your less endowed friends couldn't. Making them the more likely target for said predators. So you breed and they become food for predators. So the offspring will have traits that promote far flying or gliding.

    Lets see, 200000000 years of dinosaurs. Lets estimate an average lifespan of 10 years, lets also estimate 2 years of age is old enough to breed and that they lay 4 eggs every year. That's, err, a lot of tries. You do the math.

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  7. Re:Not designed properly by Sloppy · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's probably a good thing the elder things' wing experiments had only limited success. On one hand, we might be able to fly, but on the other hand: flying shoggoths!

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  8. What I want to know by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is how these dinosaurs managed to fire their machineguns through their propellers without shooting off the prop?

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  9. Re:Not designed properly by XenoRyet · · Score: 3, Funny

    Curiously written? There's an understatement. I'm sure if your stretch your imagination to its limit with apologist interpretations the bible can also be used as a car repair guide. Seriously, once my car wouldn't start, and I couldn't figure out why. Then I read what the bible had to say about things starting. It said "Let there be light". I took a look at the spark plugs, and woudn't you know it, no light in there. So I got new ones, and then there was light in there, and the car worked.

    See, the bible really can be used as a care repair guide.

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