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Financial Analyst Calls Second Life a Pyramid Scheme

Petey_Alchemist writes "Silicon Valley gossip rag Valleywag is carrying a story about Second Life being a new spin on the old pyramid scheme. The article, which consists mostly of selections from the report of financial consultant Randolph Harrison, suggests that not only are most people deceived about the amount of money they can make in Second Life, but also about how easily they can withdraw it. It says 'Like the paid promotion infomercials that run on CNBC, sadly SecondLife is a giant magnet for the desperate, uninformed, easily victimized. Its promises of wealth readily ensnare those who can least afford to lose their money or lives to such scam in exactly the same way that real estate investor seminars convince divorcees with low FICO scores to buy houses sight unseen with no money down.'"

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  1. Just like first life.... by BVis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    there are people who will seek to take advantage of others for financial gain. It's generally referred to as "capitalism." Those same people who are deceived by con artists in Second Life are the people who watch the infomercials on late-night TV that have the guy with seventeen mansions and a 25 foot speedboat and hot and cold running girls, etc. and believe what they're saying.

    The same adage works in both worlds: "If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is."

    I've spent considerable time in SL, and have spent a grand total of $20 in my time there. I've made small amounts of in-world cash through various jobs. I tune out the scammers in SL just like i do in RL.

    Anyone that gets scammed like this (in either world) deserves to be parted from their money. Anything we can do to make stupidity painful (or at least expensive) is OK in my book.

    --
    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
    1. Re:Just like first life.... by kalirion · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Anyone that gets scammed like this (in either world) deserves to be parted from their money. Anything we can do to make stupidity painful (or at least expensive) is OK in my book.

      You must just love it when grandmas who have only just discovered the internet lose their life savings to PRESIDENT UBUNTA OF NIGERIA.

    2. Re:Just like first life.... by kobaz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You must just love it when grandmas who have only just discovered the internet lose their life savings to PRESIDENT UBUNTA OF NIGERIA.

      [rhetorical]Why does the internet have anything to do with this?[/rhetorical]

      If grandma received a letter in the mail from the PRESIDENT UBUNTA OF NIGERIA what are the odds of the scam working? I would say it's less likely to work with snail mail based on purely nothing other than I think that since the internet is much more convenient and "magical". It's almost effortless to for people to just click reply and think, well, it can't hurt.

      A previous landlord of mine, who I figured was quite intelligent (he did have a phd in geology and was a professor) received a friendly note from our friends in Nigeria. He mentioned it to me and I explained to him how the scams work in detail. He said he was going to try seeing what he can get out of it, since some guy from "Canada" (since it's not Nigeria it's okay right?) had contacted him. Four checks came in with the sum of about 100k, he cashed them. I told him to not do anything at all, don't send these guys money, ever. Few weeks later he stopped by my place and said: "I'm sorry, but, you were right, I'm in the hole 300k. I've made arrangements with the bank to start repaying the money". The bank actually managed to recover all of it eventually (he had wired some people money and then the Nigerians withdrew even more). I can't believe he was actually thinking about just paying the bank back over 40 years.

      I really don't know if it's just pure stupidity or not.

      --

      The goal of computer science is to build something that will last at least until we've finished building it.
  2. Second Life? by EveryNickIsTaken · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'm beginning to think that some media conglomerates must hold a stake in Second Life, and that's why we keep reading/hearing "news" on it.

    Compared to other online communities or games, Second Life is miniscule.

    "...only are most people deceived about the amount of money they can make in Second Life, but also about how easily they can withdraw it."

    Yeah. Right. The reason people start playing Second Life is because their First Life is boring or sucks. Not because they "heard how much money they can make off it."

  3. Well.. by argStyopa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...I'm NOT a fan of Second Life - I think it's feeble, clumsy, laggy, antiquated in every technological way, and pointless - but even I draw the line at calling it a pyramid scheme.

    That's just silly. If anything, it's closer to a pure meritocracy than anything - there are some stunningly creative people in there (apparently with LOTS more time than me). There are a lot of things I'd be interested in exploring DESPITE the horrendous lag and 1992 graphics. Hopefully these creative people can sell their work for Linden$ and turn that into cash based on market forces.

    At some point, people have to be responsible for their own actions. It's 'caveat emptor' for the computer world, which itself is capitalist Darwinism that is essentially no different than any OTHER non-computer capitalist mechanism.

    If I enter 2nd Life with no knowledge of what I'm doing, and expect to "make ton$$$ of money!", I'm probably going to waste my time (and if I'm stupid enough to spend real money, I'll lose that too). How is this ANY different than if I buy a franchise restaurant without knowing anything about the business, or start day-trading stocks knowing NOTHING about the market? In every case, my ignorance will cause me to make mistakes (at best) or even be exploited by more savvy actors (at worst) but either way, the ending will not be happy for me.

    In that sense, 2nd life is no different than the real world.

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    -Styopa
  4. Re:SL economy is not a traditional economy by vadim_t · · Score: 4, Interesting

    SL has scarcity of a kind. Boxes in SL are everywhere. Custom made things are scarce.

    People in SL won't abandon the economy for a "FOSS approach", and I say that as an OSS advocate myself.

    The thing is that no real cash would actually make SL a less impressive place. Let's suppose you want for whatever reason to look like your RL self. Right now you can hire an artist who will tell you what sort of photos they want of you, and will then create textures and clothes in the right shape. They get cash, and you get to look like yourself.

    On the other hand, who will bother with that in a pure "FOSS" environment? It's tedious work. The same way, OSS does badly in areas like accounting packages. Working on the kernel is interesting. Writing code for dealing with some obscure tax regulation is boring. Making some random guy's nose look just right is boring.

    Yes, people can and do release all sorts of things for free. Say, avatars. But who wants to be cybergoth #12342? All of them would look exactly the same. If you want to look unique there are only two things you can do: make it yourself (which is hard unless you're skilled), or get somebody else to make it. And so far we haven't come up with a better way to motivate people to make custom stuff than paying them for it.