Slashdot Mirror


Using Radio Waves to Detect Explosives

deadmantyping writes "A Japanese research group published a paper describing a method to detect explosives in luggage using radio waves. The method relies upon nitrogen nuclear quadrapole resonance (NQR) and is able to distinguish between different white powders, whereas currently used x-ray technology is not."

24 of 99 comments (clear)

  1. White powders? by Some_Llama · · Score: 2, Insightful

    SO will it detect Cocaine, herion, anthrax, flour? What if I add some gun powder to my Coke?

    1. Re:White powders? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "What if I add some gun powder to my Coke?"

      Then I hope you're snorting it, not smoking it.

    2. Re:White powders? by Romwell · · Score: 3, Informative

      Then you get what is called "Brown-brown"

  2. So, no more taking shoes off? by mi · · Score: 2

    Cool! When can the new technology allow us to walk through the security with dignity again?

    --
    In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    1. Re:So, no more taking shoes off? by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Please take off your: jacket, shoes, backpack (and take the laptop out of the backpack and put it in a seperate tray), hat, belt, mobile phone, keys, wallet (if it contains more than 3 rfid based entry keycards). Yes, I travelled international recently. It's not even consistent.. some places they'll make you take off your belt, other places, no, that's fine.

      Time before last I took a suit coat with me. Big solid metal coat hanger with nice sharp edges. They just let me carry it onto the plane. Had I tried to take a similar piece of metal on (say, a boxcutter) they would have denied me. Hmmm, wonder if there's a little big of class disparity there.

      The illusion of safety.

      --
      How we know is more important than what we know.
    2. Re:So, no more taking shoes off? by bram · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Last time I took Sri Lankan from EU to CMB. I'm not allowed to have my swiss army knife in the cabin so I put it in my cargo luggage.
      When we got our meal it came with nice metal cutlery.

      On arrival I put the metal meal knife in my hand luggage and walk out of the airport.
      One month later I go back to EU wondering what security would tell me checking in with one of their own knifes.

      Nobody saw anything, now it's laying somewhere here around the house.

      So much for regulations and security.

      --
      People using html in email should be shot.
    3. Re:So, no more taking shoes off? by ari_j · · Score: 2, Funny

      Two things:
      1. I have just started stripping down to my underwear every time I fly. There's no sense having to be asked to take off any article of clothing, so just take 'em all off and throw them in the tray. It saves everyone time and embarrassment.
      2. Why not use a real man's portable hanger?

  3. Re:Interesting idea, but one caveat I perceve... by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What if a crazy man just straps some bombs on, walks up to the security checkpoint and sets himself off? There's no security check to protect the first security check. Better add one.

    ...and recurse.

    --
    Demented But Determined.
  4. Re:Interesting idea, but one caveat I perceve... by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    what happens if the crazy terrorist (er.. freedom fighter) decides to make a trigger which works off of radio waves (or whatever particular radio wave) said name future machine may use?

    Given the availability of both clocks and button, it seems unlikely to come up often.

  5. Explosives and radio waves... by Roskolnikov · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I remember hearing warnings about having transmitters near my explosives, something about accidentally triggering professional grade gear;
    Exposing high strength radio waves to homemade devices might result in detection by detonation.......

    --
    Unix, an obscure operating system developed by bored researchers in an attempt to get a better game playing experience.
  6. Interesting... by thedarknite · · Score: 2, Informative

    It appears to be a slightly more advanced system than SNUPA http://www.abc.net.au/quantum/stories/s112369.htm developed at the University of Melbourne, which I believe didn't differentiate between different explosive compounds.

    --
    A game has objectives and is competitive, anything else is just play
  7. That's nice by overshoot · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I wonder how it is at distinguishing between common metallic solids and thermite?

    A little oxidized iron, a little aluminum powder, a tiny amount of binder, press, and you have the makings of some attractive plaques or statuary. A bit of magnesium wire and a battery and you have everything you need to start a large mass of aluminum burning. Spectacularly.

    Good thing none of the Bad Guys have the brains of a flatworm. Or at least, that's what our whole air travel security strategy assumes.

    --
    Lacking <sarcasm> tags, /. substitutes moderation as "Troll."
  8. nuclear resonance is MRI without the "imaging" by kris_lang · · Score: 5, Informative

    so this is called nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy.

    Doing it with a gradient field and a special pulse sequence lets you get the
    vibrational amplitudes of your protons based on their position within the gradient field.
    That's what gets you MRI images. Before MRI images, nuclear spectroscopy was used to
    resonate the "nucleus" of atoms/molecules/conglomerations of molecules at varying radio-frequencies to see if there was any resulting resonance and output RF (radiofrequency) signal.

    Protons resonate at 2.4 GHz approximately (which is the frequency used in microwaves to resonate the H's in the {H}_2{0} molecules in your food and heat it.

    1. Re:nuclear resonance is MRI without the "imaging" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      ... but this is NQR which is examing the 4th order (as I can recall, maybe is was 2nd-order, I don't remember anymore:-p) of the nucleus. It's very similar underlying principles as MRI and NMR (and thus implementatin scheme is similar) but the physical interaction mechanism is the quadrapole momeent rather than the dipole moment of the nucleus.

      The problem with NQR and SQUID is that the measurement is extremely sensitive and it is difficult to filter out false positives. SQUIDs are very sensitive to magnetic perturbations and noise. Heck in the lab it can pick up the noise caused by the underground train. So the design has to be extremely precise and the filters need to be carefully designed. Also NQR technique only can detect certain substances that contain the molecular signature of interest (in this case N14 (i think?)). You need to induce a very large magnetic field (relative to the nucleus) to induce NQR. The SQUID can pick up the magnetic distrubance, but you still need to induce the field. DARPA showed some demos of remote systems that could acheive this. The problem was the false positives were pretty high, because it turns out shoe soles haave N14 which can trigger a false positive.

      Nevertheless, it's a great acheivement and I hope they can iron out the kinks in this technology.

      So don't put those shoes in your baggage! :-)

    2. Re:nuclear resonance is MRI without the "imaging" by candover · · Score: 2, Informative
      Protons resonate at 2.4 GHz approximately

      No they don't. Nuclear magnetic resonance requires a strong external magnetic field. The strongest superconducting magnet you can buy today induces a resonance (the Larmor frequency) in protons at 950 MHz... but it costs about ten million dollars and only does that over a tube about five centimeters wide. The absolute strongest MRI magnets today top out at about 1/3 of that magnetic field, and most are far less.

      Microwaves heat food via RF heating, which is an electric effect, not a magnetic one. No relationship to the mechanism of NMR at all.

      As for the article topic, nuclear quadrupole resonance is similar to NMR except that, instead of using a magnetic field to induce an energy splitting (which gives you the Larmor frequency), you take advantage of electric field splitting instead. This only works in atoms that have a quadrupole moment, and the only one of those that's present at high concentrations in explosives (and living things too) is nitrogen-14.

  9. I much prefer... by StikyPad · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...using explosions to detect radio waves.

  10. Not all explosives contain nitrogen by dsci · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And not all nitrogen containing explosives are white powders. :)

    --
    Computational Chemistry products and services.
  11. Re:It's not a cure-all by budgenator · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nothing (plausible) can detect everything that might be explosive, Actually even what an explosive is can be kind of ambiguous; still I've read that terrorists are more likely to use peroxide based explosives rather than nitrate based explosives. I see the nitrogen nuclear quadrupole resonance as have more potential in finding IED in the road beds in places like Iraq.

    --
    Apocalypse Cancelled, Sorry, No Ticket Refunds
  12. Only thing new is using a SQUID by calidoscope · · Score: 3, Informative
    Research into using NQR for explosive detection dates back to the 1970's. The first NQR baggage scanner was built by Al Garroway's group at NRL in the early 1990's using room temperature coils and room temperature electronics.


    Ron Sager and Alan Sheldon of Quantum Design used a SQUID in 1992 for detecting the NQR response of ammonium perchlorate (~38kHz), so the Japanese group isn't even the first to use SQUIDs for NQR...

    --
    A Shadeless room is a brighter room.
  13. Re:It's not a cure-all by Entrope · · Score: 2, Interesting

    NQR detectors tend to be relatively slow to examine an area, and a very important factor in Iraq is a fast rate of advance. NQR might work for airports, but other systems -- like metal detectors and backscatter radars -- work better when you need to go fast. The military mostly looks at NQR as a confirmation technology for other detectors and not as the first line of explosive threat detection. (Google "NQR rate of advance" for various papers and studies on the issue.)

  14. much simpler method by AlgorithMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have a much simpler method: if america doesn't like country X it follows that X has explosives...

    --
    The MAFIAA is a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes
  15. All that security is for... by JCOTTON · · Score: 2, Insightful

    guarding the planes. To hell with the people on the ground. Why do you think that security is set up in the MIDDLE of the airport? What if a bad guy wanted to kill people in the terminal? Wide open. That is why in Israel, the security is at the front gate., not the flight gate.

  16. Thermite in luggage probably won't work by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Luggage probably does not burn very well. The suitcase and its contents are mostly fabric / leather / plastic of some type. ( think about what you packed last time... ) Most clothing has passed some kind of won't-sustain-combustion test, and that in the presence of lots of oxygen at or near sea level. Leather won't sustain a fire on its own. Plastics, who knows? But few are highly exothermic.
    And add to that the fact that there is not a whole lot of air available in the luggage container - it's mostly luggage. Even if there is enough fuel to sustain a low-temp fire, it soon suffocates itself. The only jet that has crashed in the last few decades due to a cargo fire was because there was an oxygen tank in the luggage.

    Also, according to federal law, all luggage compartments on commercial airliners are required to have fire-resistant walls.

  17. Re:It's not a cure-all by calidoscope · · Score: 2, Informative

    I see the nitrogen nuclear quadrupole resonance as have more potential in finding IED in the road beds in places like Iraq.


    Snicker....


    As was pointed out by 'Entrope', NQR is probably not the best choice for detecting roadside IED's - there are other methods better suited for rapid scanning. What NQR would be good for is confirming whether or not a non-conducting anomaly picked up ground penetrating radar contains explosives.


    You are correct in stating that NQR would be ineffective against peroxide explosives. The explosives that NQR is especially effective at detecting are also the ones with essentially zero vapor pressure that give problems for trace detectors.

    --
    A Shadeless room is a brighter room.