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Norway Outlaws iTunes

haddieman notes that while many people are getting more and more annoyed at DRM, Norway actually did something about it. The PC World article explains: "Good intentions, questionable execution. European legislators have been giving DRM considerable attention for a while, but Norway has actually gone so far as to declare that Apple's iTunes store is illegal under Norwegian law. The crux of the issue is that the Fairplay DRM that is at the heart of the iTunes/iPod universe doesn't work with anything else, meaning that if you want access to the cast iTunes library, you have to buy an iPod."

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  1. Re:And... by eebra82 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't like that comparison. For starters, Gillette don't have much of a choice since there is no standard format for razer blades. In addition, there are replicated blades available on the market for a lower price. iTunes, on the other hand, uses common software but has intentional limitations set to it.

    Also, when you are in a dominant position as an online music store, you kind of have advantages over all of the competition, so what they're doing is more related to what Microsoft did with Internet Explorer.

    Last but not least, you must remember that newly formed laws on computer software cannot be compared to the laws of items.

  2. Re:Oh, F'ing please by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Informative

    1. Buy song on iTunes
    2. Menu: Advanced => Convert selection to .mp3

    I'm sorry, this is only a problem for morons.

    Obviously I must be a moron then, because when I tried that this message popped up:

    "Doctor My Eyes" could not be converted because protected files cannot be converted to other formats.
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  3. Re:Good! by Kalriath · · Score: 3, Informative

    Correction to this, the Windows Media Rights Manager software is licensed at NO CHARGE to virtually anyone willing to use it. All you need to do is prove who you are to Microsoft (by means of using a code signing certificate to sign a dummy executable) and sign an agreement which pretty much amounts to "don't redistribute the rights manager, and don't do bad things like install spyware using the rights manager's 'Acquire License' feature". The only actual requirement is that they'll only give it to you for use on a Windows 2003 Server (which, incidentally, comes bundled with Windows Media streaming services licensed for use with about 6 billion clients.) And to play WMDRM music, they only charge you $0.10 per unit to incorporate the DRM decrypter into your device (annual maximum $400K)

    Apple wont even allow THAT.

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  4. Article is utterly incorrect by eiscir · · Score: 3, Informative

    What really happened is that the consumer ombudsman stated that FairPlay was, in his opinion, illegal. The ombudsman is not a court, nor a judge, nor a legislature. The easiest comparison to make is that he's like an attorney general, but rather than advise the govt, he advises consumers, and acts on their behalf, subjectively. The most he can do is recommend a prosecution to the director of prosecutions, but his opinion is not, repeat not law. TFA is stupid and badly researched.

  5. Re:Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Norway isn't in the EU.

  6. Norwegian Consumer Council goes after MS too by grimJester · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm just watching BBC World, where a guy called Torgeir Waterhouse from the Norwegian Consumer Council talks about this. When asked about competitors like Microsoft and the Zune, he said they are all illegal under Norwegian law. They only went after iTunes first because it's largest.

  7. Re:So all those EU built phones will be open? by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, Norway isn't in the EU.

  8. Re:How long before vista's SUPER DRM is banded? by I'm+Don+Giovanni · · Score: 3, Informative

    Vista's "SUPER DRM" doesn't lock you into any particular hardware. That DRM is required for HD-DVD and BR playback, but any HD-DVD and BR player as well as OSX Leopard also implement that same DRM and can therefore play those discs. So there's no hardware lockin, unlike with iTMS DRM'ed songs, which only play on Apple's hardware as far as portable players are concerned.

    (If you widen your view beyond portable players, then iTMS isn't *that* locked in since iTMS songs do play on regular Macs and Windows computers via the iTunes app).

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  9. Norway != EU by theolein · · Score: 4, Informative

    Norway isn't in the European Union. I'm pretty sure Apple would lobby pretty strongly to get its way in the EU, but Norway, and the Norwegian market being pretty small, I don't think Apple thinks its worth it, and would rather lose that market.

    In essence, as a Mac and iPod user, I don't like this, but in principle it should apply to everybody, including Microsoft's Zune, which isn't even compatible with Microsoft's own Plays For Sure brand, and that name is terribly ironic.

    Still, I don't really care. If I can't listen to music because of DRM, then I'll make my own or go and watch a Bach recital or something (until Microsoft/Sony/RIAA or whatever make playing music in public illegal unless you pay them for it)

  10. Re:Zune and Sony Atrak and WMA? by 7Prime · · Score: 5, Informative

    AAC has nothing to do with FairPlay, Apple, or anything else, for that matter. AAC is a completely open format that was meant to replace the MP3 (and should, but old habits die hard), Apple didn't want to use Vorbis because it requires a lot more battery power to encode... and people already bitch about battery life. FairPlay could theoretically be inserted into any number of file formats, it's just that Apple only uses AACs for music transfer.

    So, again, neither of the As in AAC stands for Apple, it's an MP4 compression container file, that Apple bought in to... and most of the other companies are too busy with WMA and MP3 that they haven't bought into it yet. It's like saying that HD-DVD is a Microsoft format... no, it's a Toshiba format, in which Microsoft now uses.

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  11. Re:Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just to sort out a misunderstanding: "Norway Outlaws iTunes"

    The iPod is not banned here in Norway, it is available like any other player on the market. iTunes is also prefectly legal. However, the consumer-alliance has after negotiations with Apple, required that "the locks" will be open by the end of september. Apple have untill the first of march to come with their answer. If they refuse, Norway are "prepared to remove iTunes from the market".

    -kosmonaut

  12. anyone read this articel by liza_84 · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://www.forbrukerombudet.no/index.gan?id=110370 79&subid=0

    its a must read for everyone! it explains everything :)