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Why the .XXX Domain is a Bad Idea That Won't Die
Reader tqft tipped us to an opinion piece on the UK site The Guardian, which lays out the reasons why article writer Seth Finkelstein feels the .XXX domain is a terrible idea. You may recall that last year (being an election year and all), the concept of a triple-X ghetto was revived, considered, and then quashed all in the space of a few months. We also recently discussed the fact that the idea just won't die, as the company ICM Registry pushes ICANN to allow them to pass out the names by Summer. Finkelstein primarily argues that the new domain is a bad idea from a business point of view. Ignoring for a moment the issue that much of this content is already labeled, he sees this as primarily a means for ICM Registry to gain a monopoly on what is sure to be a hot-selling product. Speculators, pornographers, and above-board companies will all jump on the namespace in an effort to ensure that their domain is represented ... or not, as the case may be. Where do you fall on this issue? Would a .XXX domain be helpful for parents, or just a political salve/moneymaking scam?
A) makes porn easier to find
B) Does not solve the problem of being able to filter it with parental control software because nobody is going to shut down the porn.com's.
The porn sites have a right to exist, who are we to force them over to .xxx domains? Forcing them all to register with some central DB so they can be black listed would also be impossible becasue there is no realistic way to keep the DB updated.
My solution for addressing the filtering software problem is very simple. We amend robots.txt to include a section for Adult content.
A simple addition on porn sites of a line like this would solve the problem.
User-agent: * Disallow: /forums/ /members/ /downloads/ /
Disallow:
Disallow:
Adult:
Sites not interested in adding the field to robots.txt are not required to by law, but many websites would be willing to accommodate something like this to assist Net Nanny etc., but would fight having to leave porn.net behind for pornforyou12341.xxx tooth and nail. On the internet your company name and your domain name are often the same. Moving them to another TLD would equate to making them shut down and start over under a new name.
This would also greatly assist Google etc. in blocking some of these sites where "safe search" is turned on thus prevent people form going to a jenny.com by mistake and finding porn.
I have made this suggestion a number of time in the past. Maybe I should look into what it would take to get it drafted into an RFC?
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Be done with what? The arguing over whether or not we should have the domain. Once we get it, I'd bet most of the pr0n will move there for "prestige" reasons, and most new adult sites will be there. In the long run, I can't see what possible harm it can do to let them have their tld.
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In some countries it is considered wrong for women to lift their veils so other men can see their faces, and in some women walk around with no shits on like men. Sure there are obvious cases, but who has the final word on what is and isn't sexually explicit content? Who is going to pay to enforce these new morals and who's morals?
Do the American tax payers launch a multi billion dollar crusade to purge the internet of porn and bring our Christian morals to the internationally based Internet?
Early proposals for .xx were to mandate that all porn sites use some form of age verification (ie credit card). With all the fraud on the internet do you honestly believe entering your credit card number and personal into on every porn site you see is a good idea? What age constitutes a "minor" anyway? 18 y/o like in the US? How many people here have never seen any porn before the age of 18? How did you turn out?
To me this only sounds like a pathway for rampant fraud. I don't want to complain without offering up my own solution, so I think if anything is to be done then appending robots.txt to include a line for "Adult: /" where the webmaster of the site sees fit is a much better idea. I posted more on this suggestion here
Saying Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders.
Why would you ever move to .xxx? Prestige or not, it's just too easy to block .xxx. Access is everything to the porn industry.
.xxx, and they obviously only want to make a big shiny penny (just like every other stupid specialized domain, e.g., .mobi).
While a few of the large-profile sites can afford to move (the subscription-based ones), the smaller sites that are based on the shared subscription model (you pay $XX/year for access to all member sites, those member sites take a portion of profit) will just multiply, compounding any filtering problems.
Has anyone actually investigated whether the XXX industry actually WANTS the tld? The only thing I've seen personally is the company that is pushing
While I can't speak much about the registry part of a .xxx name, I believe that it would be useful in the long run.
.xxx name for sites that are looking for a purely adult audience. Not just porn, but maybe places like adultfriendfinder, discussions involving less pleasent ideas, and so forth.
.xxx and helping the government look better at "protecting children", the FBI and what not leans off them a little. Yes, there are filters in place for porn, but they aren't always the best- it can be hard to teach a basic filter the difference between HOT NAKED BOOBIES and a page about breast cancer. Along with blocking out content that shouldn't be, it means that content that shouldn't get through does. A .xxx domain would ensure that the filter knows what to and not to pick out. (Hell, some crappy ones might now mark this page as pornographic since I mentioned "boobies".)
.xxx, and thus bringing us into the realm of "what exactly defines porn", but if it can stay as optional as choosing a .com or .net domain, then I don't see a large downfall. I'm sure others will disagree with me, though, and reply as such. (I welcome this, as someone may talk about a point I haven't thought of.)
While porn ad sites don't care about age, regular pay-for-porn sites would probably prefer those with access to a credit card, meaning those who can likely be there legally. Basically, market the
The government could work off this, too. They allow it to pass, and encourage its adoption by the "less scrupulous businesses", and in return for them moving to a
I can understand the fear of governments forcing porn sites to move to
If it is such a good idea, then why don't webmasters use xxx instead of www in their URLs? It would allow for all the filtering that a top-level domain name would. Just label a site something like "xxx.pr0n.com" instead of "www.pr0n.com". Simple.
Or is it simply about the registrars making more money off of a new TLD?
You don't see why this is a bad idea? What constitutes porn?
.xxx tld. The simple answer is "Why Not?" Let's state this another way, Obscene material is only obscene to those that decide it is obscene. A .xxx tld is not only going to be related to porn. It will be related to anything that someone considers obscene. I know it when I see it* cannot be applied to obscene material unless obscene material is categorized, and that statement, however, truthful it may be, is not good enough.
.xxx domain? Will that decision be changed later in time, by a different group of people?
.xxx tld will do is first cause a bunch of people to waste money on a new tld for their company. Does that mean that we will have to get a www.whitehouse.xxx domain for the government? I mean technically whitehouse.com and whitehouse.xxx have nothing to do with whitehouse.gov or whitehouse.org. The whitehouse website is not a commercial entity, so why does it need a .com? Yes, I know many people do not use the Top Level Domains correctly. However, the first few Top Level Domains were created to keep people from having issues like this. The foundation was set, it is everyone's fault that instead of a well built and maintained house, we only have a shack built of salvaged items.
.xxx tld is only a money grab from some and a political move by others. Many "Christian" organizations do not want a .xxx tld as it will legitimize obscene material. Just like how a red-light district legitimized the acts done in a red-light district. These used to be more prevalent here in the States. Freedom organizations should be against this is as it is a censorship move. This is a move against adults and not a solution for kids. .com is the most accurate tld to use when dealing with obscene material that makes money. In most people's views this is pornography. Pornography that makes money directly, should be on a .com. Pornography that makes money through ads and such, should be on a .org or a .us or any country tld. However, since no one is going to force those to work, why should they force a .xxx to work? Just because it has three letters that are all the same? If they cannot make target.com go to the store website, while making target.org go to an informational website dealing with targets, how are they going to make target.xxx go to a site involving targeting of people with fluids from other people? Or will Target the store purchase the target.xxx in order to "protect their name" and redirect you to target.com?
Does any depiction of a bare breast, buttock, vulva, or penis indicate porn? If you ask my parents then yes it does. If you ask me, I say No. Michelangelo's "David" is not pornographic. "The Birth of Venus" by Botticelli is not porn. Those two examples show my opinion on the matter. However, many others will disagree with me and will state that one or the other, or even both are pornographic. What about images that depict Dante's "Inferno"? Many of those paintings show naked bodies being consumed by a demon, and some show burning naked flesh. Are those pornographic?
You may ask why am I bringing up paintings or "works of art" in regards to a
* Note: that link is to the history version of Wikipedia, following that link should take you to the Jan 5th version that was current when I wrote this text.
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The following paragraph is a bit off from my above, but I wanted to include it.
Do you remember when online services blocked the word 'breast' in order to "protect" people? They ended up blocking people from finding information related to breast cancer and other information that had the word breast in it. That block was removed, as people just started using br3ast more often.
You're not going to sell porn to people who aren't looking for it. And a TLD makes it easier to find, how is it a bad idea again?
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Register your company's name under one TLD, the one which your users are most familiar with. Then sue everyone who registers your trademarked name under any other TLD: The existing name registries trump the domain name system. There is no need to register under all TLDs. On the contrary, it only causes confusion for your users and can wreak havoc with your search engine ranking if you're not doing it exactly right.
.com or bust, because users rarely see something else. After all, the other TLDs are just partial duplicates of .com anyway. Even big country code TLDs often cause an unbelieving stare when the email address doesn't end in .com. The last part of the domain name isn't just a delimiter, it actually means something and can be something other than .com. It is very important that we get this message through to users. Too much mail gets misdirected to the .com domain when it should have gone to the CCTLD which belongs to the company that the user wanted to send the mail to. This has got to change, and the way is more choice, not less.
Besides, we need many more TLDs. Not dozens more. Hundreds or thousands more. Only when there are too many domains to register under all will that insanity stop. Only then will other TLDs mean something. Today it's either
Okay, I'm dropping my screen name for this one.
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.xxx domain because it makes it too easy for employers to block the entire TLD on the office LAN. Further, searching Google or some other site with "Safe Search" on prevents the "accidental" discovery of adult content when seraching for seemingly innocuous terms. Having the adult sites all under .xxx means that Google will not turn up adult content sites by accident, and thus the adult sites get less traffic, and thus less sales.
.xxx is not needed for this purpose; that is a false statement. There is in fact NO "standard" for markup of adult content sites. Adult site owners struggle constantly to remain compliant with U.S.C. 2257 regulations which went into effect in the Summer of 2005. They actively seek out every form of markup available such as ICRA, pics_label header for IE browsers and whatever they can find. But there's nobody in charge (remember nobody owns the internet, right?) and thus there is no "standard" of compliance.
.xxx would fix this and enforcement is simpler than you think: registrars pull registration for non .xxx domains displaying adult content. Will it piss off the adult entertainment sector? Yes. They could lose enough money to such a regulation that would put my employer and possibly my job into a tail spin.
.xxx warning will similarly not destroy that industry. What it all boils down to is, as a parent of a pre-teen, I don't want my kid looking at the nasties that Google brings up when searching for school materials.
"The ONLY loss for the porn industry is that then every consenting adult lose any excuse to have browsed on porn domain by accident since with
As someone who works in the hosting business for a predominantly adult entertainment customer base, I can tell you first hand that "ONLY" does not apply here. When the bulk of U.S. traffic on our bell curves hits around 3PM every single day, one thing becomes clear: the adult industry counts on sneaky employees surfing porn from their desk at work.
By and large, the adult industry shuns the
There was an additional comment further up the thread here indicating that there are already sufficient standards for flagging adult content sites and that
The goals of regulation a two-fold and, in my opinion, just:
1) Shield people from the content who should not be exposed to it (i.e. kids, purists)
2) Ensure that minors are not being exploited sexually (child porn)
The 2257 regulations for the U.S. addresses point two, but as yet no regulation addresses point one.
But profits be damned - this is about doing the right thing, not making the adult entertainment companies fat and happy. The tobacco industry was not destroyed by the Surgeon General's warning; sex has been around a lot longer than tobacco, and I am confident that a