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The Privacy Candidate

Alsee writes "Wired News reports 'electronic civil libertarians' hearts are a-twitter' over US Presidential hopeful Senator Hillary Clinton's bold stance on the right to privacy. Wired quotes Clinton: 'At all levels, the privacy protections for ordinary citizens are broken, inadequate and out of date.' Clinton gave a speech last June to the American Constitution Society (text, WMF) in which she addressed electronic surveillance, consumer opt-in vs. opt-out, cyber-security, commercial and government handling of personal data, data offshoring, data leaks, and even genetic discrimination." Would you consider a candidate's stand on privacy important enough to sway your vote?

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  1. The right to privacy is underrated by Lord+Grey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Would you consider a candidate's stand on privacy important enough to sway your vote?

    Not only would it sway my vote, but a positive stance on privacy would damn-near guarantee it. Over the years, the U.S. government has eroded its citizens' rights to the point of absurdity. This latest president has only made a bad situation worse.

    There are other issues at stake, of course, but none quite as dear as those that hit close to home. I'm tired of watching my privacy dwindle away, and I want it to stop.

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    // Beyond Here Lie Dragons
    1. Re:The right to privacy is underrated by jofny · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The right to privacy goes hand in hand with the right to free speech and, as such, is one of the rights that must absolutely be kept healthy to sustain our country. Without it, the rest falls apart. So yes, the right to privacy is one of thekey issues for me when considering candidates.

    2. Re:The right to privacy is underrated by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't vote on what they say, vote on what they have done. I don't know Hillary's record on privacy, but I suspect it is not good. Check her voting record in the Senate. Talk is cheap.

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      The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
    3. Re:The right to privacy is underrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't know Hillary's record on privacy, but I suspect it is not good.
      If you don't know her voting record, then on what are you basing your suspicion?

      Maybe the fact that she's a senator, and that the senate voted 98-1 in favor of the PATRIOT Act?

      Maybe she was the 1.

      Nope, http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_li sts/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1& vote=00313 says that Feingold was the 1. Landrieu didn't vote. Hillary voted yes.

      A healthy distrust of politicians is not FUD nor cynicism but merely realism.
  2. Meaning what one says... by Eldragon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The real question is, did she say what she did because she wanted to preach to the choir, or because she actually believes in privacy?

    It was the American Constitution Society after all...

  3. Hillary =! privacy by nurb432 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not bashing her just beacuse, but her history does not support her intent to protect privacy. This is just poliical rhetoric to get elected. ( typical of *all* candidates as they ramp up towards an election )

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  4. No thanks by Guppy06 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've already seen her stance on video games, that's all I needed to know.

    1. Re:No thanks by noz · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've already seen her stance on video games, that's all I needed to know.
      Like all things in life, voting is about balance. Sure, if one particular policy offends you so much, you will vote for the opponent, but enough of the opponent's policies may offend you too. You must also consider that video games may be trivial in comparison to other policies, such as liberties. It is your vote.

      In Australia we have a preferential voting system which I believe empowers voters to rank candidates - hopefully by policy (possibly in descending order of evil *grin*) - but we do have compulsory voting: the merits of which are debatable.

      In fact, they often reduce our federal elections to a one-policy debate: economics. Compulsory voting with the threat of higher interest rates under the potential leadership of the opposition arguably scares the politically unmotivated or uneducated to vote with this threat in mind.

      As Bill Hicks once said, "There are more important things to vote with than your wallet."
    2. Re:No thanks by evanbd · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Her stance on video games isn't just about video games. It shows she believes that I need protecting from myself, and that I am incapable of protecting my children from video games. It shows that she places these values above free speech. It shows that she is quick to jump on the "Think of the children!" bandwagon, regardless of any actual evidence or logic.

      Her belief that she knows better than I do what's good for me is the big reason I don't want to vote for her (though I might, depending who the opponent is -- she'd be better than Bush, of that I'm certain). Her stance on video games is just one example of this.

  5. her idea of privacy by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hillary Clinton's idea of "privacy" is about the same as that behind the "Medical Privacy Act". This made it a Federal offense to disclose medical records, standardized the records keeping, and made it all available to the government upon request. To her "privacy" is that between civilians; the government and its employees are a whole 'nother matter.

  6. Not hers by lewp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Would you consider a candidate's stand on privacy important enough to sway your vote?

    Not hers. She's a US Senator, former First Lady, and the democratic front-runner for the presidential nomination in 2008. She's been in the public eye for years, she's wielded real power for years, is perhaps the most influential woman in the US after Oprah (seriously...); and yet our privacy has continued to be diminished on her watch without so much as a peep. You apparently have to go back to a talk she gave to the American Constitution Society to even know what her stance on personal privacy is, and I had to go to Wikipedia to find out who they are. Where's the public outrage if you care about privacy so much, Hillary? Lord knows you don't have a hard time getting in front of a TV camera with a chance to express it.

    Will I support a candidate who's serious about protecting personal privacy? Hell yes. It's the most important issue I can think of. Hillary Clinton isn't that person, and neither is any other mainstream candidate. Pretty fucking sad.

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  7. Please try to remember... by petrus4 · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...that even among other such politicians, Hillary is one of the most blatant, shameless populists ever to have walked the Earth. Her perspectives, her very mind itself in its' entirety is completely for sale, for the purpose of gaining votes.

    She might be making noises about the "right to privacy," right now, but please try and remember that when Jack Thompson and the other usual suspects were screeching and crying about violence in video games, she supported that, too. She tries to determine which way the wind is blowing, and when she suspects that she has, then jumps on what she feels is the dominant voter bandwagon at any given point in time. But she is not the archetypical Slashbot's friend...or really anyone else's, for that matter.

  8. Re:Clinton is a joke and a liar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So since ab initio you declare all politicians equal (-ly corrupt) and the differences to be merely a matter of taste, there is no point in actually doing the work and comparing what they actually have to say, or their actual programs, thereby letting them get away with not even having real solid programs anymore even more easily. Well done. Very convenient for you, very lazy. And on top of it all you can even look down on those stupid suckers who actually care about the political process!

    Your attitude is a real threat to democracy, and stupid, and self-fulfilling. Thank you for doing your part in killing honest political and social discourse on the issues that matter. Yes, such discourse is difficult and tiring. It involves questioning whether Clinton was, as another poster put it, preaching to the choir or actually serious. But this discourse is the core political process of democracy. As long as you don't actively participate in it and try to get others engaged as well you have no right whatsoever to complain about the state of politics.

  9. Yeah, but where does she... by stubear · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...stand on the First Amendment? Remember Hillary was the Senator leading the charge against Take2/Rockstar over Hot Coffee.

  10. Re:"Ethanol's neat," Clinton says to corn growers. by commodoresloat · · Score: 5, Funny

    the Society for People Unreasonably Afraid That Their Children Are Going To Die in Terrorist Attacks
    Didn't they shorten the name to "America"?
  11. Right to privacy by MeanMF · · Score: 5, Funny

    Would you consider a candidate's stand on privacy important enough to sway your vote?
    None of your business!
  12. Re: they can't make law by pkbarbiedoll · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Someone neglected to include our current president on that memo. He's made plenty of pseudo-law with his ongoing abuse of signing statements.

  13. Did anybody read this? by kleinmatic · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm sure few people here actually read this. I can hardly blame you -- it's long, and it's mostly just bland generalities, with the details both rare and disappointing.

    There's nothing new in the speech. She talks a lot about data breaches. Those are devastating, sure, but they're hardly an "issue." Being against data breaches offends no constituency (who *isn't* against them?) -- it's like being "tough on crime." She seems to be against a lot of things that nobody is for.

    However, she spends very little time on what most of us think of when we talk about "privacy" -- that is, the government's prohibition, under the fourth amendment, against searching us without probable cause, and without a warrant. In fact, she comes to the conclusion that the warrantless searches the Bush administration are doing are probably fine. She believes in the same odious calculation that defines rights and security as mutually exclusive constraints, that have to be "balanced."

    Rather, she only takes Bush to task for not letting congress in on the action. That is, had only Bush asked congress for "authorization" -- which would surely have been forthcoming -- everything would have been okay. "Let is in on the action," she seems to say, "and we'll make sure you get the warrants so your policies will be easier to sell to the masses." Instead of real criticism of a policy that's both illegal and that actually makes us less safe, we get criticism over tactics, and parochial self-interest.

    The title and blurb for this are completely misleading.

  14. Hillary's record from ontheissues.org by MacDork · · Score: 5, Informative
    According to this page:
    • Metal detectors at school are not much of an intrusion. (Jun 1999)
    • License and register all handgun sales. (Jun 2000)
    • Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
    • Voted NO on require photo ID (not just signature) for voter registration. (Feb 2002)
    • Voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)
    • Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
    • And of course... Pushing for privacy bill of rights. (Jun 2006)

    So she supports privacy when it suits her agenda, just like everyone else in DC.