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gollum123 writes about a dream come true and a dream dashed. Brian Emmett, a software consultant from the San Francisco Bay area, entered a contest sponsored by Oracle in 2005. He answered some questions on Java coding, won a free trip into space, and then reluctantly gave it up. The latter decision came once he had computed the taxes he would have to pay on the $138,000 prize — roughly $25,000. From the article: "Since the Internal Revenue Service requires winnings from lottery drawings, TV game shows, and other contests to be reported as taxable income, tax experts contend there's no such thing as a free spaceflight. Some contest sponsors provide a check to cover taxes, but that income is also taxable."
...all things considered.
I mean, we're talking about a trip into space. Considering the normally prohibitive cost of recreational spaceflight, $25k almost seems like a bargain. I've seen people blow that much on timeshares for goodness sake. If nothing else he could write a book about the experience and recoup some of the expense.
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Not to mention the obviousness that the state does not help you winning things - therefore one shall not be "taxed" for this
Not that I particularly agree with the state taxing winnings, but they don't help you work, yet tax your income. How is winning something different?
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I disagree - take a look here.
Now, without "enforcement of law and public order, protection of property, economic infrastructure (roads, legal tender, enforcement of contracts, etc.), education systems, health care systems" would you be able to work?
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"I find it unbelievable that a 'software consultant' cannot stomach a $25'000 fee for something he wanted so badly"
... Regarless of how much you earn, you goes into debt when your lifestyle cost you more that what you make.
Maybe there was a lot of thing that he wanted so badly: like $200,000 sport car, $1,000,000 house,
Also the guy is 31. That means he started to work in the last years of the internet bubble yet, so there is also strong possibilty he had trouble adjusting. I have a colleague here at work that went from a 700GBP/day contract to nothing for a year followed by 300 GBP/day. This worked ok for him but at the same time, there are tons of stories of consultant buying 1,000,000 GBP houses that had a difficult reality check in 2001.
I call BS. I don't think he wanted to go in the first place. Nobody with a dream of space flight would pass this up. I'm a freaking grocery/dept store clerk and I could put 31k on a credit card. Sure that is really dumb thing to do, but man, this is for space. While working my butt off for the next billion years to pay it off, I could have one heck of a story to tell.
I fail to see how a free trip to space equates to income. Yes, the trip ordinarily costs $138,000, but this paticular trip was priced at "Win this competition". That doesn't have any monetary value. X% of "Win this competition" is not equal to $25,000. As others have mentioned, the company could also have priced that paticular seat at $1 and been well withing their rights. This story seems bogus.
This kind of reminds me of property taxes, where someone walks up to your house, says "I reckons she's worth about this much, so you pay me that much", despite the fact that your house is earning you no income and will be taxed anyway when sold or inherited. It doesn't make much sense.
I'm a believer in financing the state through taxes. But I'm also of the opinion that there should be some kind of logic to tax. Charging people money for something when they haven't actually made any money, or indeed materially benefited in any way, as in this case is like something out of a one dimensional folk tale. When tax is levied, there should always be a question, why is it being levied?
We need taxes. But we also need to remember that the government is not our landlord. It is wrong to have a tax on simply being alive. Tax should be avoidable, if you have no money to pay any.
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You sound like one of those (indicted) CEOs that goes public with messages about 'people making normal living wages, you know, like 100,000.00 or so, per year'. 25K is a lot of money to just have lying around, especially if you have a family.
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The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
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This guy either had very bad tax advice or is using the tax code as an excuse to wimp out of a somewhat dangerous experience.
As the article and any decent tax account would tell him, he would not be responsible for any tax unless and until he actually accepted the ride into space. This means he could have put off on any decision on whether to accept the prize until the very last minute. At least as far as the tax man is concerned.
The only craft that matches the specs of those announced in the contest press release are those of the Virgin Galactic SpaceShip 2. And since Virgin Galactic's commercial craft is a minimum of 2 years from sending customers into space, he had at least that much time to defer his decision. His financial situation could be much improved by then. Since space craft are rarely delivered on schedule, he would likely have had even more time to defer his decision.
Then there's the possibility that he could have worked his way out of paying much of any tax at all. As others have suggested, if he could have taken some on professional duties in the form of writing about his voyage, he could have partially or wholly written off his tax burden.
So why did this guy refuse the prize two or more years before it would have had any financial impact on him? Why didn't he look into any professional options for writing off the tax? Good question. My guess is either very bad tax advice or sheer lack of courage.
It's true I tell you, feller at work's next door neighbour read it in the paper.
I would have thought a sponsorship deal would have been easy to come by. if he had covered himself in logos he would have had the money in no time.
They don't? I guess you built the road you drive on yourself, personally arrested any criminals who might have accosted you during the journey, and convinced everyone to respect private property so your company could exist in the first place.
And printed the money that you are paid with, and most importantly, you made and enforced the laws to ensure that the company that you work for will actually pay you for your work, have decent conditions at work including the number of hours and all of that.
Yes, I'm as anti-governemnt as anybody, but I'm more anti-selfish dickhead more, and the government keeps those people and themselves pretty much in check.
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That would open a huge loophole. I could work for a year at minimum wage in a high-tech job and then get "paid" with a luxury car. In your system, I'd only get taxed for the approximately $5/hr and not the $60,000 luxury car. We don't want to go back to bartering. This bad press should be directed toward Oracle - why wasn't their "free" trip really free?
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