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Net Neutrality Act On the Agenda Again

blue234 writes "On January 9th, Republican Senator Olympia Snowe and Democrat Byron Dorgan reintroduced the bill popularly known as the Net Neutrality Act, and officially called the Internet Freedom Preservation Act. The bill was killed in the Senate last year in a vote split along party lines (Democrats yea, Republicans no), with the exception of Senator Snowe, who voted with the Democrats. Now that the Democrats have a slight majority in the Senate, the bill certainly has a better chance, but it still needs 60 votes to prevent a Republican filibuster.

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  1. Wait and see, I think by JoshJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If this suceeds, I think we basically win the internet freedom war against the telcoms and cable companies- it'll be a long time before they can do any more damage.

    1. Re:Wait and see, I think by JoshJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Stall the internet's progress?
      I'd say allowing the cable companies to charge people for delivery of content would halt it entirely- there'd be no more small innovations, you would have to be a big player to have a website, period. Nothing new would be possible from the average person- only from the large corporations.

    2. Re:Wait and see, I think by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If this suceeds, I think we basically win the internet freedom war against the telcoms and cable companies- it'll be a long time before they can do any more damage.
      Maybe. I guess it depends on how loosely worded the bill ends up being and how many loopholes get thrown in by senators catering to special interests (read: corporate campaign sponsors). This sort of pandering to special interests isn't a Republican thing and it isn't a Democrat thing either -- it's a politician thing.

  2. Hopefully... by Watson+Ladd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the bill survives committee intact. Do not contact your Representative or Senator to ask them to support the bill until after it makes it through committee! Otherwise you could be supporting a bill that's completely different from what you think it is.

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  3. It's not gunna happen.. by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Insightful

    here's how I see it...

    My friend sends me a link to a clip on Google Video.
    I go to the link, get my clip and laugh at the money drinkin' its own urine, or whatever.
    Google gets a bill from my Internet service provider for bandwidth usage.
    Google rips up the bill and tells my ISP to go fuck themselves.
    My ISP reduces the available bandwidth to connections to Google's ip range.

    Great, so then what happens?

    My friend sends me another link to a clip on Google Video.
    I go to the link and discover that the clip is too slow (or completely blocked).
    I moan to my ISP that I can't play these important movie clips from Google Video.
    My ISP tells me that I can't play them because Google hasn't paid their bandwidth charges.
    I tell my ISP to go fuck themselves and switch to a provider that honours net neutrality.
    Everyone else does this too because we really like Google Video.

    And there goes the backhanded stupidity caused by ISPs temporarily forgetting that we, the consumers, control exactly how much money they make.

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  4. Re:As a North Dakotan by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think you read very carefully:

    From TFA:

    "The prioritization of types of content, applications, or services would be allowed under the condition that it is done free of charge, and that it is done for all types of that particular content. For example, the prioritization of packets to insure Quality of Service for Voice over IP must be done for all VoIP providers free of charge to them."

    Now since virtually every telco is also an IP carrier you can kiss skype goodby. Anything that competes with POTS is likely to be degraded to death.

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  5. Re:Dangerous by TheSuperlative · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How is this eroding democracy? That is democracy.

    Under your ideal government, reform would be impossible, since one could only pass things by consensus - and anything that could not pass a few years earlier would be considered bad.

    Change happens in a democracy. We vote in new leaders precisely for the reason that we want them to pass the things that the old ones wouldn't.

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  6. Re:You chose force, I choose the free market by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are trusting that your cable IP service won't also have tiered access. Of course, both cable and telephone companies currently provide tiered services (DSL, DSL-Lite, voicemail, premium channels, VOIP, etc) why wouldn't they charge for access to third-party media providers.

    It takes more than two sources of broadband to create a free market.

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  7. Re:You chose force, I choose the free market by JoshJ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The invisible hand of the free market has failed left and right. Standard Oil. Carnegie Steel. Ma Bell. Microsoft. No thanks- I'll take a regulated market that guarantees individual rights by taking some away from corporations.

  8. Net Neutrality is the wrong focus, I think by volkris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think this Network Neutrality debate is a bit misfocused. If we want to ensure the ability of people to speak their minds on the Internet we would do better to attack the near-universal practice of ISPs blocking ports and restricting the use of home servers.

    THAT is where the free speech comes from: the people. The NN debate seems to be rather focused on the ability to choose between large companies that want to profit through our expression. Even though there may be more options it still represents a consolidation of content. If we want information we must get it from these providers; if we want to share it we must share it through the providers. As a group they become the gatekeepers.

    It doesn't have to be this way. If more ISPs would let us use even our measly aDSL uplinks (that we pay for) to legally serve our own content, people would be able to self-publish in all sorts of new ways. Once we can participate directly in the internet without the middleman of some company with servers we'll unleash an amazing amount of potential and innovation.

    Software would be created to deal with the technical challenges that would arise, perhaps with legitimate P2P providing interesting solutions to some of these problems. Network-centric computing would get a huge boost too. In any case, that small change in SOP has the potential to really change the way people view and use the Internet.

    Network Neutrality proponents love to talk about a level playing field... lets level the playing field between the consumers and the providers as a whole.

  9. Re:As a North Dakotan by Firehed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds like that says that if an ISP who's also dealing in VOIP wants to prioritize their VOIP packets above your bit-torrent and whatnot, they're free to do so provided that Skype, Vonage, etc get that same prioritization.

    Although it sounds like you're coming from the other side of things - those ISPs who don't have VOIP services are going to send them to the bottom of the stack. Still, I take some comfort in knowing that they're going to have to either screw themselves or help their competitors (or, rather, not abuse their position of power and screw their competitors while helping themselves) whenever there's some new market that they want to enter. I see no reason to be racist towards bits, but then again I think I'd put up with slightly slower pira^H^H^H^H Linux .iso downloads in order to have all of my VOIP calls not make that horrible "your upload sucks right now" screeching noise.

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  10. Re:You chose force, I choose the free market by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, sorry, the market was ruined by the consumers, not the producers. If you don't demand competition, then don't be surprised when producers don't compete. Go ask an Indian how many monopoly products he bought last year. Shit, we don't even haggle in the western world anymore - it's considered rude. Where's the US version of whirlpool? Exactly how much effort have you put into finding the best price, on any product, in the last week? And don't go blaming the marketing and the slick advertising... you let it get this bad. Now you're crying to the government for regulation.

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  11. Re:You chose force, I choose the free market by miskatonic+alumnus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know, I will blame the marketing and slick advertising. It was designed to play to people's weaknesses, much as propaganda shapes public opinion. Face it: almost all media is owned by a handful of corporations that want us to buy their crap. The only recourse is education --- an increasingly watered down, one-sided education provided by the public schools. And the corporate drivel has infiltrated there too. So, no, the consumers aren't at fault, they are behaving the way they were programmed to --- by market forces and a weak, greedy government.