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Scientists Offered Cash to Dispute Climate Study
w1z4rd writes "According to an article in the Guardian, scientists and economists have been offered large bribes by a lobbying group funded by ExxonMobil. The offers were extended by the American Enterprise Institute group, which apparently has numerous ties to the Bush administration. Couched in terms of an offer to write 'dissenting papers' against the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, several scientists contacted for the article refused the offers on conflict of interest grounds."
...report writes you! ((Or, better, the market writes the reports))
Truly, in a capitalist environment, the markets should decide who is write and wrong. Science should be chosen by those with good money sense.
Ugh.
Just as a question though, how is offering a bribe any better then refusing to fund/publish scientifically valid counterpoints to the consensus on global warming?
How is this any different from all the climate scientists who are offered cash by left-wing groups like the USC or Greenpeace? Have any of you actually traced the grant monies of the really public guys?
In truth, much of the global warming hysteria is intended to make you feel guilty and ashamed for existing, so that you'll be more willing to pay higher taxes to a government fix the problem. Never mind that we had most of our warming before the 1930s, never mind the heat rise of the Middle Ages or the temperature drop of the 40s through the 70s, and so on.
No, we are supposed to rely on consensus science, the same people who told us we were entering a second ice age 40 years ago, the same people who said we'd run out of landfills in the late 1980s, etc. There is always something to frighten people and make them feel guilty for existing so that they pay money to these people.
As opposed to scientiests who depend on grant money that only comes in if they say the exact opposite.
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i've seen many reports on this but i'm yet to see one of these letters published. the globalwarming crowd are certainly not above blatant lies. i see in the article that greenpeace are involved, so you can count out a large chunk of credability right there with those nuts. it's worth taking note that 30 years ago these same people were claiming an ice age was heading our way.
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. . . to contribute to the Global Climate Change(tm) hysteria.
They're called "grants" and it's looking like the Klondike these days.
I haven't seen anyone discredit this panel or this document yet
It's from the U.N. What more do you need to make you think twice about its objectivity and accuracy?
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No, it doesn't mean their scientific findings aren't valid. But it sure the hell does mean they're financially motivated.
Well, threatening climatologists with decertification doesn't invalidate their findings either, but it sure as hell means they are being forcibly "motivated".
Instead, we see the weather channel threatening climatologists' jobs for the predetermined outcome of 'scientific' research. And that, my friend, is why I feel compelled to keep "making cheap ad hominem attacks." Because the Weather Channel is pissing science down their leg and the public is paying not attention to it when they should. It's as if the Weather Channel is offering the $10,000 for the report proving global warming is our fault?
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So what. Every single one of the scientists trumpeting global warming is not only being offered money, he is being paid money, lots of money, to do his research. That's the dastardly evil of the grants system. It makes people lie to get and keep grants. And it influences the research they do.
I know. I got out of a modest medical research group in part because I was digusted with how poorly done and useless most of the research was that I didn't want to be part of a month off from research to write proposals to get the government to throw more money at the same sorts of projects. In my case, there seems to have been enough sense in the system that they didn't get the grants and had to close down the group.
But generate the proper hysteria, and scientists can keep the monies flowing in.
This is a scam. That's why climatologists gather from all over the world for conferences in climate conditioned hotels. It's why the celebrities hyping global warming fly about in large private jets that generate 10,000 pounds of CO2 an hour. It's why, like Barbara Stressland, they live in huge climate-conditioned homes. They know it's all about lording it over ordinary people, that an elite such as themselves doesn't have to play by the rules, and that the warnings are really a scam.
You're being had. This is a scam just like eugenics and the population bomb. And it's being promoted by precisely the same people: rich liberals and progressives, newspapers like the NY Times, and scientists. Get over your idea that science is about facts. A century ago, scientists were convinced, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Italians and Russian Jews coming to this country were 'feebleminded' and unfit to be citizens in a democracy. Learned books were written on the subject, someone even suggested a Broadway play on it. The NY Times called it a "wonderful new science" and trashed anyone who said otherwise.
It was religious fanatics (meaning Catholic leaders) and ordinary business men who opposed the idea. The latter knew quite well that these immigrants were good workers and posed no threat. And take note of the fact that one of the chief proponents of those sorts of ideas, Planned Parenthood (then called the American Birth Control League) remains the darling of the liberal media. That's an indication of just how respectable eugenics was. Even the discrediting of eugenics didn't discredit its champions.
Do not believe scientists when they get like these. There's something about science that, roughly every generation, sends one branch off into a lemming-like madness. It's happened before. It's happening again. About 2030-2040, there'll be another one. Get ready for it and get ready to fight it.
And I might add that this deception is all-too-obvious. Climate change is going on all the time and always creates benefits and problems. All the climate news coming out of these fear mongers is negative. That's a clue that you're being manipulated. And why is no one pointing out that our last warm period, Europe from 1000 to 1300, was marvelous. Greenland really was green and grapes could be grown in England and Nova Scotia (Vineland). As climatic trends go, warming is much better than cooling.
Remember it's con men who paint exaggerated scenarios. Do as I suggest, they say, and all will be wonderful. Don't do as I suggest, and all will be dreadful. Honest people don't talk that way because life isn't that way.
We are being duped and in a decade or so, that will be all too obvious. That's why the rush to do something before the facts overtake the hype. Once these nasty little laws go on the books, they'll be as hard to change as legalized abortion, the primary product of the population explosion hysteria (and really driven by liberal fears about high birthrates among poor blacks).
When someone tries to manufacture a hysteria, stop, take a deep breath and do the one thing they do not want you to do--think.
Long term, that may be different, but everybody knows that investors are only interested in the the next quarter. Just look at GM and Ford for some prime examples of this.
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Of course, completely ignored are the bribes given to those pushing climate change hysteria and draconian government responses, such as government funding, mainstream media adoration, and cash from liberal and progressive pressure groups. I'd feel a lot happier if government wasn't funding either side. Government funding politicizes and distorts anything it touches. That science has become twisted and partisan should be not be a surprising result.
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yummyguitars Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 1
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:59 am
Post subject: The Sun Heating Up??
I was recently having a discussion about global warming with my diving coach and while he agrees
that it exists and is a major problem, he denies that we have/had anything to do with it. According
to him, the earth is heating up because the sun is heating up. I tried showing him scientific proof
that greenhouse gas levels and global warming levels match almost perfectly, but he continued to deny it.
Does anyone have any data representing the sun's temperature trend vs. the earth's?
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weneedrain Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 4
PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:31 am Post subject: The Sun Heating Up??
Nope but keep buggin him/her about it. it could work after a while.