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Viacom Claims Copyright On Irrlicht Video

stinkytoe writes in with the news that Nikolaus Gebhardt, developer of the cross-platform game engine library Irrlicht, recently had one of his video tutorials taken off of YouTube. A thread on Irrlicht's forum contains a copy of the takedown notice. From Gebhardt's blog: "Viacom, the corporation behind MTV, DreamWorks and Paramount is now claiming they own the copyright on a video of an Irrlicht tutorial. Which is completely ridiculous, of course: The whole thing has been written by me and the Irrlicht team, even textures and skins and logos have been created by me, and an Irrlicht Engine user... simply filmed and published it on YouTube.com. Here is a screenshot of the tutorial, it's really just a 2D GUI rendered using the 3D engine, nothing special at all."

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  1. For a little perspective by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I give you, courtesy Wikipedia, the List of Assets owned by Viacom.

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    Internet

    * MTVi Group
    * Nickelodeon Online
    * BET.com
    * Contentville.com (35%)
    * Neopets
    * GameTrailers
    * iFilm
    * Xfire

    Film production and distribution

    * Paramount Pictures Corporation
    o Paramount Vantage
    o Paramount Classics
    * MTV Films
    * Nickelodeon Movies
    * Republic Pictures (or Republic Entertainment, Inc.)
    * DreamWorks, LLC (or Dreamworks SKG)
    o Go Fish Pictures
    * Paramount Home Entertainment

    Television networks

    * MTV
    * Nickelodeon/Nick at Nite
    * Nick GAS
    * Nicktoons TV
    * TV Land
    * CMT
    * Spike TV
    * VH1
    * Noggin/The N
    * BET
    * Comedy Central
    * LOGO
    * MTV Networks International (includes TMF, VIVA and Paramount Comedy)

    Publishing

    * Famous Music

    Television production and distribution

    * DreamWorks Television (following DreamWorks acquisition, to become part of CBS Paramount Television in 2006)

    Miscellaneous Assets

    * Bubba Gump Shrimp Company
    * Cinema International Corporation or CIC
    o United International Pictures or UIP
    * MTVN Direct
    * Viacom Consumer Products

    "List of assets owned by Viacom." Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. 25 Jan 2007, 23:34 UTC. Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 6 Feb 2007 <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of _assets_owned_by_Viacom&oldid=103256937>.

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  2. Re:Anti-competitive and suppresses free speech... by bugnuts · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That is how the DMCA works. The point is that it holds the carrier (in this case, Youtube) harmless as long as they comply. Generally, the carrier of the alleged copyrighted works will comply and give the "owner" an opportunity to fight it. The point is, you can fight it, and should within the law. If they throw a bureacracy at them, show them you're merely a concerned citizen with too much time on his hands and fight back. Hell, if they don't back down, file a federal lawsuit and demand their evidence. Subpoena their CEO and force them to spend thousands to quash it. Settle only when they give you written agreement never to issue another takedown notice to you for the video or another other video covered by your produce.

    Free speech doesn't include copyrighted material, and you should know that. But this type of thing shows yet another manner that the DMCA can be used to harass or silence legitimate speech.

  3. Re:if you want to bake a cake by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Interesting

    they don't care if there is a little collateral damage in this war against 'piracy'
    Well, I'm hoping that some of this "scatter shot" technique being used by the media companies in their so called war on piracy starts backfiring. I'd like to see them become some of the collateral damage, and for the lawmakers to reign them in and make them have a higher evidentiary burden.

    As it is, they basically get to threaten anyone without any justification or consequence. It's getting absurd, really.

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  4. Perjury! by Benanov · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder if by firing off a C&D letter you're committing perjury if you're found to be wrong?

  5. Censorship and legal spam by AmVidia+HQ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can attest to very similar situations as a service provider. We've dealt with member corporations of the RIAA sending us blanket takedown notices containing links to porn, and I don't think they do porn. Not yet anyways.

    So apparently Viacom, DreamWorks and Paramount are sending legal spam, without verifying what they are actually sending out, and Google is taking them without verification on their part either. I guess DMCA procedures aren't good enough - censor now, ask questions later.

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  6. Scanning "not creative" enough? by Kadin2048 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The uploaded version would clearly be a derivitave work, but I'm guessing that putting it into another tangible form would mean it's automatically copyrighted right then even if it wasn't originally.

    This is actually a fairly interesting question, and IMO an important one. I'm not sure I share your conclusion that the uploaded version is a new work, though. Although it certainly could be, if you changed it (say, retouched, or even just cropped it), a straight scan+upload probably wouldn't be original enough.

    It's an interesting question, because I recently scanned hundreds of old family photos and slides. Many of them, provided Congress stops extending copyright indefinitely, will be out of the original photographer's copyright relatively soon (as in, probably within my lifetime -- copyright, like geology, has its own relative time-scales). However, if the act of scanning the photo automatically makes a new work, then it's under copyright for another 120+ years, beginning 2006. Not really a concern to me, since I'd be the copyright holder, but of concern to a hypothetical other party who might want to use them.

    I suspect that simply scanning a photo, in its entirety, and uploading it, does not represent enough of a creative act to warrant a renewal of copyright as a derivative work. Essentially, all that is happening, is that the older work is being "format shifted." However, if you were to do any type of alteration to the original photo that wasn't totally automatic, even something like color correction, I could see an argument for protection on the grounds that it was a creative act.

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    1. Re:Scanning "not creative" enough? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A copy of a public domain work is public domain... for now

      But there is pressure to change it so that any refixing in a medium of a work grants a new copyright duration, even if (or if-and-only-if, I'm not certain on that detail) the original work had passed into the public domain. You can't make copies of the new copy; you need to go to the wellspring (a copy with expired copyright) and make your copy from that.

      Of course this means if a company keeps a stranglehold on their works using DRM so that no one can make a new copy without the original masters, they can just keep reissuing the work and retain perpetual copyright control. It would allow for the reduction of copyright duration and stop dragging all works along with Mickey Mouse, but at the expense of granting perpetual copyright to immortal corporations and estates, which should violate the Constitution in the US.

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  7. 100,000 Viacom videos on YouTube? by Purity+Of+Essence · · Score: 3, Interesting

    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/03/011925 3

    This really calls into question the validity of Viacom's claim that YouTube was hosting 100,000 infringing videos belonging to them. I wonder what the real number is. I wonder when the backlash hits YouTube over these "false positives" if they will start to require a little more diligence on the side of the claimants who request for videos to be removed. Shouldn't there penalties for making false claims of ownership over the copyrighted materials of others? YouTube's success was built on the shoulders of the little guy, not these giant media conglomerates. Will they do the right thing and help protect their legitimate users?

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  8. Re:Anti-competitive and suppresses free speech... by frdmfghtr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No, Viacom can do this. You can't afford to go to court over bogus takedown notices every week.

    The law, of course, favors the megalithic entity, because they're the ones who pay for it.
    Maybe that's the point.

    If the big media companies keep doing this to quality, independent content producers, then the independents won't be so inclined to use sites like YouTube to distribute their content, since there's a good chance that it will be mistakenly taken down, and restoration takes a while and more effort than the content is worth.

    Thus, Big Media poisons a new outlet that is outside their control, for media that is also outside their control.

    (Not trying to be a tinfoil-hat-conspiracy-theorist, but raising a point of discussion.)
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  9. Why not send them a Cease and Desist Letter by randyflood · · Score: 4, Interesting

    IANAL

    But this is what I would do:

    Repost the video and send Viacom a Cease and Desist letter asking that they stop telling people that your copyrighted works are there's. Then, when they do it again, they cannot claim ignorance or that it was an oversight or whatever. Put up the video on a web site with an advertisement that pays you per page view, and claim that by lying to Google, they are causing you a loss of income.

    So, essentially, they are lying about you, in writing, and it is negatively affecting you. Then you would probably have a better legal case. In addition, thanks to the RIAA and others like them, there is a great deal of negative coverage for people who engage in copyright infringement. So, now that it has been slashdotted, it could also damage your reputation...

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