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Texas Bill For Open Documents

Ditesh Kumar tips us to a blog entry by Sam Hiser noting a bill filed in Texas that would require state agencies to conduct their work in an open document format. After Microsoft's grueling battle against ODF in Massachusetts, bluest of blue states, it must be galling to face te same fight in the reddest of the red. Hiser notes that the bill includes a rigorous and sound definition of an open document format, which ODF would meet but Microsoft's current OOXML submission would not.

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  1. Reddest? by greg_barton · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...it must be galling to face te same fight in the reddest of the red.
    Obviously you've never been to Alabama.
    1. Re:Reddest? by Rimbo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or Austin, for that matter.

      Austin's about as red as the Santa Fe sky on a clear afternoon, or Australia's Coral Coast. Add to that a bunch of tech industry, a huge university and about 2000 miles between it and Redmond, and this is hardly surprising.

      Austin's where I first heard about Linux... in January of 1992. Slackware was on sale in the University co-op a year or so later. And it's where I first used USENET, IRC and internet e-mail, way back in 1991.

  2. Hell frozen over? by DaveM753 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I never thought I'd say something like this, but GO TEXAS!

    1. Re:Hell frozen over? by The_Wilschon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Indeed Go Texas!

      If you live in Texas, WRITE TO YOUR LEGISLATORS ! You can find out who to write to at the Texas Legislature Online's "Who Represents Me?" page. In my case, there were direct links to my Texas State Senator's and Texas State Representative's webpages, and I used the "email me!" type links I found there. If you don't want to take the time to write something yourself, you are welcome to use the same short letter I wrote:

      I recently learned that a bill (SB 446) had been introduced to the Texas Legislature which would require all electronic state documents to be stored in a format described by an open standard. I am writing to lend my overwhelming support to this bill, and to express my hope that, if given the opportunity, you will vote in favor of this measure.

      Open standards for documents ensure a number of things. First, the records of our great state will be preserved in a form accessible to posterity. You have no doubt heard the aphorism "Those who do not learn their history are doomed to repeat it," and how can our descendants learn our history if it is locked away in a format that can no longer be supported. It would be as if we had recorded all our state documents on 8-track tapes. Second, those who cannot afford the more expensive platforms and applications required for closed format documents would no longer be restricted from participating in the government (of the people, by the people, for the people) of the State of Texas.

      Please, ensure that both the present and the future of our state can participate and learn from our government, and support this measure to require open formats for all state documents.

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      SIGSEGV caught, terminating

      wait... not that kind of sig.
  3. Check the author by ZPWeeks · · Score: 5, Funny

    It may be Texas, but the bill was filed by Rubén Hinojosa, a Democrat representative from the U.S. House. They'll shoot it down. (unless Cheney misses and hits MS OOXML by accident.)

    1. Re:Check the author by pallmall1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      They'll shoot it down.
      You're probably right. A $500 Million Microsoft datacenter in San Antonio, Texas probably also means Microsoft's OOXML for Texas documents. Ballmer aims his furniture better than Chaney aims his shotgun. :)
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    2. Re:Check the author by yo_tuco · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Texas probably also means Microsoft's OOXML for Texas documents.

      Some years ago Microsoft threated the city of Huston to sign up for a multiyear, $12 million software licensing plan or face an audit exposing the city's use of software it hadn't paid for.

      But as it turned out, Huston had more than enough proof of purchase seals. And then they voted to dump Microsoft Office in favor of SimDesk because of Microsoft's gestapo tactics. I don't know if that's still true today and I doubt SimDesk supports OOXML. So not all parts of Texas are friends of Microsoft.

  4. Let's get the ball rolling! by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With Massachusetts, bunches of foreign governments, and now Texas realizing the importance of document formats that are Free, future proof, and equally accessible to all citizens (including those who don't use Windows), I think it's about time the other forty-eight states introduced similar bills of their own. I just wrote an email suggesting such to my representative; now it's your turn!

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    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  5. Re:I'm a Texan! Who do I write to? by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, I'm not a Texan, but since it's a bill in the Texas state Senate, I figure you probably ought to contact your state Senator.

    Also, since it's going to have to get out of committee before anyone else sees it (unless your state government is unusual), you could contact the other Senators who make up whichever committee it goes into -- which, based on a 10-second scan of the list of committees, I'm guessing is this one. But I could be wrong.

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    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  6. "Red" and "blue" is irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This just goes to show that Free Software is not a democrat or republicrat thing. (Remember, Microsoft itself is in one of the 'bluer' states.)

    The real issue here is freedom, and the benefits that can be derived from it: Better security, lower upfront costs, less obsolescence, open formats, and the ability to choose between software packages and providers, rather than just taking whatever Microsoft shoves down your throat.

  7. State-sponsored OSS in Texas is reality already by pongo000 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Unfortunately, it's in the form of a recommendation, but it's better than nothing. In a nutshell, it directs Texas state agencies and higher education institutions to consider OSS for all IT procurements. I believe it was originally the brainchild of a Dallas-area senator named John Corona.

    I referenced it quite often while pushing for OSS-based IT implementation at the college I was teaching at...most administrators were ignorant that this even existed.

  8. OOXML and ISO approval by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    Hi folks,

    Microsoft went for ISO fast-track approval which allows only one month for dissenting countries to speak out (and with 6000 pages in the spec it's not enough time -- there hasn't been any public standardisation prior to this fast track as is normal with fast-tracked standards).

    Anyway, as I understand it there only needs to be one single vote against in order to force a fast-tracked proposal down the long and arduous path of open evaluation, analysis, and justification. Canada and Britain have voted against Microsoft. Thanks Canada, thanks Britain!

    OOXML is now considerably more shakey with governments around the world, and other countries, like Texas.

    -- Matt Carter

  9. Redundanced of the redundant by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 3, Funny

    Mod -1

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  10. Go figure by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 3, Informative

    It may be Texas, but the bill was filed by Rubén Hinojosa, a Democrat representative from the U.S. House. They'll shoot it down.
    ...and that's why George Washington said to stay far away from political parties. I love how well America listened.

  11. Austin != Strongly Red by Hadlock · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Keep in mind Dell, which has been noted recently for the N-Series computers, is also located near Austin. The concept that the incredibly liberal capital Austin introducing progressive bills isn't terribly suprising. If this had been a city council proposition in a small town an hour outside of San Antonio or Tyler, this would be news.

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  12. Re:Why not OpenXML? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You are quite the fool to believe that OpenXML is as documented and implementable as ODF. MS believes that documenting a function as "Should work like Word-97 spacing bug" as sufficient.

    That is not a standard, that is just a list of all the bugs in the MS code, which no one should really try to emulate.

  13. Red State? by cary67 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not sure why being a so-called "red state" means that it's people or government agencies are supporters of MS. What does that have to do with anything? Spare me the drivel about the Bush administration caving on the MS anti-trust case. Maybe they did. Maybe I agree. However, the sweeping generalization made by the original poster is simply unsupported. Instead, I would point you to the fact that you're talking about the people who brought you the Boston Tea Party and The Alamo here. It's no surprise. These are Americans standing up against 21st century tyranny. Government users are BIG business for MS and YOUR tax dollars are paying for it. Texans, voice your support for this bill today!

  14. Re:Why not OpenXML? by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Informative

    The author is pretty dismissive about OpenXML, yet doesn't explain why OpenXML wouldn't meet the criteria.

    Okay, then I will instead:

    OpenXML doesn't meet the criteria because parts of it are patented. Besides, even if it weren't patented parts of the "standard" essentially say "re-implement the behavior of Word" which, for obvious reasons, is entirely unreasonable and should also disqualify it.

    By then OpenXML will probably be an ISO standard...

    If this post above yours is accurate, no it won't.

    "published without restrictions or royalties": OpenXML already fulfills this today

    No, you're wrong. Patents qualify as restrictions.

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    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  15. Re:Why not OpenXML? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 3, Insightful
    By then OpenXML will probably be an ISO standard

    No, probably not. Microsoft's attempt at a swift flanking move on our stampede to format freedom has (temporarily) been blocked http://www.computing.co.uk/itweek/news/2173717/ope n-standards-bodies-call-halt.

    "published without restrictions or royalties": OpenXML already fulfills this today

    Good point. Today yes, OpenXML meets that criteria, but tomorrow may be a different story.

    "fully and independently implemented by multiple software providers on multiple platforms without any intellectual property reservations for necessary technology": Once Novell did it for OpenXML, there will be three vendors (Novell, Microsoft and the open-source project doing the ODF-OpenXML converter) on multiple platforms (Windows & all platforms OpenOffice runs on). Sounds like OpenXML has this one in the pocket as well.

    Novell is in Microsoft's pocket, and Microsoft is funding the ODF-OpenXML converter. Besides, you forgot to allow for the "without any intellectual property reservations for necessary technology" part, which is not guaranteed with OpenXML.

    But for all skeptics, once OpenXML is an ISO standard in 6 months or so, this will be a given.

    We'd better wait until then before adopting it then. Mean time, ODF does all of the above, but without any of the "gotchas".

    By the way, congratulations on writing a post which very cleverly skirts all the questionable bits of Microsoft's OpenXML push without actually lying. Care to disclose who you work for?

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  16. Re:Makes Sense by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When the government start using Ipod only files to distribute and interact with documents I need in order to do business in the state, I'll start bitching a bit louder about the Ipod. But I shouldn't need to purchase a $400 program to interact with a state on a fundemental level. I shouldn't have to do this to do business in the state either, even if the business is with others in the state and we just need to get permit aprovals and such.

    And I know, there are alternative ways to interact. But the end result would be either pony up the dough or suffer an unfair competitive advantage to your competitors because of the states decision that is funded by my tax dollars.

    And the refusial to pay, isn't even a decision over the money needed, it is about principle. Sooner or later we will have enough little $400 for this program, 200 for that program and so on. Before long, a person will have to have thoughsands of dollars just for programs to do business. And it might not stop at doing business, what about complaints and such. Shoudl a person need to pay a microsoft tax to fill out a complaint form or ask the state/city to fix something they should have already fixed? I know, I'm rambling. Your point is still valid but i see it in different levels. Hopfully other can too.

  17. Re:What do legislators really want? by MoxFulder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Microsoft had a rethink of the strategy they were using, dropped the prices for the government, threw in some more support for servers and all sorts of other things and all of a sudden, the government has a change of mind and also givs MS some tax breaks.. go figure.
    You (and others) often use this as evidence that open source initiatives don't really work. In my mind, that's not really clear. I mean, in your example, competition from open source has in fact forced Microsoft to reduce prices, improve support, and maybe provide better docs. Of course you and I would prefer Microsoft get dumped all at once, but I believe that progress has being made. The fact that government initiatives in favor of open source have forced Microsoft to negotiate better deals DEMONSTRATES that open source has influence and strength.