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Purdue Makes Trash To Electricity Generator

musicon writes "A group of scientists at Purdue University have created a portable refinery that efficiently converts food, paper, and plastic trash into electricity. The machine, designed for the U.S. military, would allow soldiers in the field to convert waste into power. It could also have widespread civilian applications in the future. Researchers tested the first tactical biorefinery prototype in November and found that it produced approximately 90 percent more energy than it consumed."

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  1. Re:How does it stack up? by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is described as energy returned on energy invested, or EROEI, of 1.9, which is not all that great. Ethanol from corn has a value of about 1.25, and that number is from its proponents. Anything below 1.0 is a lose.

    US oil production has a value of about 3. That number declines over time; it was as high as 100 in the early days of oil production. (Look up "Spindletop") Saudi oil production has a value of about 10. Wind energy has a value of around 5. Solar power values depend on how long the equipment lasts; energy breakeven on solar cells happens some time around 5 years.

  2. Re:Incredible by dangitman · · Score: 4, Informative

    So this takes WASTE and turns it into USABLE ELECTRICITY!!?!?! If true, this shit could save the planet a lot of pain.

    Not on a large scale, I think. This is likely to be a very polluting energy source. Hence it being described as "tactical." Good for emergency use - or for a desperately poor village that doesn't have any electricity to meet basic needs. But not to power your Plasma TV or Playstation.

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  3. Re:Perhaps this could reduce a lot of waste issues by teletype · · Score: 5, Informative
    Many landfills already do produce power from garbage.

    The local landfill where I live, the Johnston landfill, here in Rhode Island, operates a methane recovery plant. This methane gas then flow through eleven twelve-cylinder turbocharged engines, to power a bank of generators.


    This produces 15.3 megawatts of power. 1.3 megawatts is used to power the plant and landfill site. The remaining 14 megawatts is sold back to the grid, and provides power for 21,000 homes.


    It's not quite 1.21 gigawatts, but it's still pretty cool.

  4. Re:In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamic by BlackTachyon29 · · Score: 5, Informative

    RTFA they say the generator has to run off diesel oil for several hours to power the bioreactor/reformer. Once the components have had time to break the waste material down into ethanol, methane, and propane that gets funneled back into the generator that the net result is 90% additional output. If it was to take 10 liters of diesel to start the process, after using those 10 liters, and also burning the resultant fuels from the bioreactor/reformer it would be approximatly equal in electric output to having only used a plain old generator with 19 liters of diesel. In addition it reduces the trash input to aproximatly 1/30th of the volume in ash. It is bascially a mobile trash incenerator/generator that can be jumped started with diesel. Electrical plants that burn trash to produce electricty has been around for a long time. This sounds only slightly more efficent/environmentally friendly in that they use a bioreactor to produce ethonal from the biowastes, and use gasification techniques on the other types of trash instead of just plain burning all the trash together with a steam generator.

    No matter is 'converted' to energy, it is only a chemical process to rearrange the the energy in the chemical bonds of the existant trash into a more useful form of energy(ie. electricity). Same as burning coal or any other fuel, the energy is released in the form of heat to provide work.

  5. That's because you're misreading it by benhocking · · Score: 4, Informative

    Easy enough to do. What the article means is that for every joule the energy consumes it generates 1.9 joules. The joules it is consuming are not from the trash itself. It might be converting the trash at an efficiency of only 5% (making that number up, of course). It's just saying that it does, in fact, actually generate a net positive amount of energy while consuming the trash.

    Somehow I suspect I haven't made this any clearer.

    Consider the "Mr. Fusion" reference. We've created fusion generators that actually produce energy through fusion. However, so far, they've all produced less energy than it has actually required to run them, thus resulting in a net negative. All that 90% figure means is that this is a net positive.

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  6. Re:Incredible by Sj0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not all materials are metals which can be relatively inexpensively melted back down and used with no negative effects in the next recycled generation. Paper recycling, for example, might be a cure worse than the disease.

    The harsh chemicals used to remove the many and varied dyes from paper to be recycled are pretty terrible to begin with (And unlike bleaching regular pulp, you don't know what's going to be there, so you can't reformulate all that well), then you end up throwing the recovered pulp right back into the pulper anyway, so while there are likely some gains in energy, it's not necessarily friendly to the environment. Making matters worse, recycled paper seems to have less strength than original pulp.

    In the end, you're making more use of toxic chemicals for a product of lower quality. I'm sure there are other similar materials where the friendly concept meets unfriendly process control reality.

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  7. Re:Dreaming in technicolor by GerTheDwarf · · Score: 4, Informative
    Did you even read the article?

    The reason everyone isn't doing it is because it isn't economic. The point of the work was to make it economical. There hasn't been any work, until now, on _small_ scale waste management that _directly_ produces electricity. Before, the inventions required the business to perform some technical/dangerous/expensive task, mainly storing the gas, or installing a permanent structure.

    AFAICT, they are using the same process as everyone else. Ergo, they should have the same results as everyone else. No, not ergo, because the "results" are not based only on the fuel production process. What they were measuring was the ratio between diesel fuel consumed and electricity produced. They are probably using a highly efficient, highly modified engine, as well as other more advanced parts.

    The guys at Purdue didn't mention how nasty the waste product from their process might be. From the article:

    The machine produces a very small amount of its own waste, Warner said, mostly in the form of ash that the Environmental Protection Agency has designated as "benign," or non-hazardous. Back to the Anonymous Coward:

    I don't expect to see one of these behind my local restaurant any time soon. True, but I don't expect you would even look.