One Laptop Per Child Security Spec Released
juwiley writes "The One Laptop Per Child project has released information about its advanced security platform called Bitfrost. Could children with a $100 laptop end up with a better security infrastructure than executives using $5000 laptops powered by Vista? 'What's deeply troubling — almost unbelievable — about [Unix style permissions] is that they've remained virtually the only real control mechanism that a user has over her personal documents today...In 1971, this might have been acceptable...We have set out to create a system that is both drastically more secure and provides drastically more usable security than any mainstream system currently on the market.'"
So, I bet that my cell phone has better security than a $5000 vista laptop, but you can do stuff on that laptop that you can't on my phone. (not sure what, but i'm sure there's something porn related)
Is it sad that I am more likely to recognize you and your posts by your sig than your name or UID?
What executive, or any human being do you know is using a $5000 laptop? Even the most hardcore geeks I know spend only up to about $2k for the best laptops.
Hardcore geek != executive.
You've obviously never met an executive, they don't have the slightest problem splashing out (from the company account) well upwards of $5000. They think they're worth it.
There are shills on slashdot. Apparently, I'm one of them.
Security is a lot like crypto: Designing your own system is a recipe for desaster. Security is hard, and aside from the conceptual stages, small failures in implementation can destroy the best concept.
So anyone coming up with a "new and improved" security concept is selling an untested solution. Because security is always tested in the field, never (at least never properly) in the lab.
And yes, Unix permissions are primitive. But they work, they are reliable and we know their shortcomings and limitations.
Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
--"No lockdown. Though in their default settings, the laptop's security
systems may impose various prohibitions on the user's actions, there
must exist a way for these security systems to be disabled. When that is
the case, the machine will grant the user complete control."
That is the one of the key differences between Bitfrost and Microsoft
"trusted computing" schemes: you as owner of the box can get around it.
I wonder if the author's used chmod, chown, etc.? What's the essential difference between Unix style permissions and other permission systems?
Well, Windows uses the ACL system of permissions it stole from VMS. It actually does provide more control (that you don't need 99.9% of the time), such as multiple groups having different levels of permissions.
Increasingly complex file-level security does come with one major drawback, however... I can look at a file under Linux and instantly tell (possibly with a quick check of the members of a single group) who has what access to it. Under Windows, good luck with that. XP actually has an advanced security tab, "Effective Permissions", solely for the purpose of testing what access a given user has to a file or directory. Short of that tool, some of the more complex possible configurations (which don't take any sort of unrealistically contrived setups to get, such as a combination of local and domain groups having both inherited and locally set permissions) would leave you feeling very uncomfortable guessing who has access to a given file. And of course, that tab only lets you check one user or group at a time, so it proves utterly useless in answering the simple question "Who can overwrite this file".
In fairness, you could write a script to test every user and group against a given set of files and directories and generate a report off the output, but seriously, would anyone really consider that "better" than "0750, yup, that looks good"?
I can't help but notice that the people working on this "too ambitious" project are actually out there doing it, while you are... posting on Slashdot?
>> how am I going to implement this new idea I have for cross-application communication based on shared pipes among apps.
Actually, it's even worse than your funny (but accurate) comment suggests:
In the Unix model, applications are often built out of multiple cooperating processes, each of which is isolated into its own address space, with strong barriers between processes enforced by the MMU hardware. This makes each separate part more robust, more comprehensible, and more secure.
In contrast, when Bitfrost throws away the ability of programs to talk to other programs, it is intrinsically encouraging a monolithic approach to program design, which is a huge step backwards both for security and for complexity management.
Bitfrost is right to deny free access by programs to a user's filestore objects as an important part of its new security framework, but if the price for that is to disallow strong application factoring and partitioning into separate but communicating processes then the cure may be worse than the disease.
"The question of whether machines can think is no more interesting than [] whether submarines can swim" - Dijkstra