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Storing Wind Power In Cold Stores

Roland Piquepaille writes "According to Nature, a European-funded project has been launched to store electricity created from wind in refrigerated warehouses used to store food. As the production of wind energy is variable every day, it cannot easily be accommodated on the electrical grid. So the 'Night Wind' project wants to store wind energy produced at night in refrigerated warehouses and to release this energy during daytime peak hours. The first tests will be done in the Netherlands this year. And as the cold stores exist already, practically no extra cost should be incurred to store as much as 50,000 megawatt-hours of energy. Here are additional details and a picture illustrating this brilliant idea."

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  1. Re:Potential Energy of Water by Dahan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've always wondered about using the potential energy of water (that is, raising it to a higher height), to store that energy to smooth out production versus demand issues for electricity.
    Does anyone know if this is being done? It seems like it would be more straight forward than the refrigeration method mentioend in the article.
    Have you considered Reading TFA? (Yeah, I must be new here):

    ... As a result many renewable-power plants have to store their energy, by raising water to a height or making hydrogen, for example, so they can 'save it for a rainy day'.
  2. Expert reaction by Portal1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hi I am running a company that implements a lot of software for most of the dutch electricity company's

    There is a special communication protocol used to communicate between these electricity company's
    It is called EDINE and is based on EDIEL which is again based on EDIFACT
    One of these messages QUOTE-RRV is specifically used to trade over and under production.
    But is also used to trade possibility to not consume for a certain time.
    Which effectively lowers the demand for a period of scarcity

    This is used a lot in aluminum factory's that can effectively shut down for a day when there is a problem in a power plant
    Of course if the same can be done for cold stores that is great.

    Most of those company's are very wanted by electricity company's and they normally have very lucrative contracts
    almost getting there electricity for free.

    Hydrogen plants would be also very good candidates

    Greets John

    --
    There are no stupid questions, Just a lot of inquisitive idiots. (from a good friend)
  3. Re:Holy Frozen Kippers by caseih · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well electricity is not about energy storage per se so much as it is about potential difference. With mere physics alone we can show that by cooling off something to many degrees below the ambient temperature (and if we could keep it there at no cost), then we can extract energy out again (out of the ambient air) because there is a difference in temperature. Thus you can extract electricity out of the freezer from a certain point of view. Energy flows usefully in either direction. This is related to the entire field of geothermal energy production, which works in the winter so long as you have a heat sump (the earth). Of course none of this might have much to do with the original article. It's hard to know as Roland's blog adverts are often short on real details and facts. And being slashdot I can't possibly read the original article.

  4. Nice Implementation of Older Idea by BookRead · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I actually live in a building from the mid-80's that was built to use off-peak electricity. We got (and still have) a Time-of-Day electric rate where the we pay much less for the off-peak electricity. The ceilings in our units were designed as air plenums and were stocked with eutectic salt bags that change phase at about 68F. The idea is that that, in the summer we "freeze" the salt solution during the evening but cooling the air plenum. During the day we avoided running the A/C and saved significant electric costs. It works in reverse during the winter. They kept the apartments quite comfortable.

    Eutectic salt solutions have been used in a lot of commercial applications to store "cold" generated during cheaper energy periods. The main disadvantage is that the eutectic salts break down over time and lose their phase change characteristics. There are also kind of expensive to replace.

    Strategies like this that use thermal storage to modulate electric demand are pretty efficient ways to lower the required peak capacity of electrical systems. Other schemes like pumping water back up hill tend to run afoul of thermodynamic laws and can't be nearly as efficient.

  5. Re:Holy Frozen Kippers by CnlPepper · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yep. Wow. Yawn. Those Europeans are so damn smart........NOT! Before you go getting all jingoistic, the technology was first demonstrated by said damn smart Europeans in the 1890s. Have a read of Wikipedia's Pumped Storage Hydroelectricity page. There are plenty of examples of this technology other than the one you describe. One such example is the Dinorwig Pumped Hydro. Power station in the UK. The technology is already in widespread use.