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Blood Vessel Shunt May Save Limbs In War

The FDA has just approved for military use a shunt that allows partially-severed limbs to continue to get circulation. The FDA approved the device in a fast-track process lasting only a week. The article notes: "For most, it won't be a matter of saving a limb outright but rather salvaging the quality of a wounded leg or arm... The shunt may save injured limbs from amputation, since it can be implanted on the battlefield to maintain blood flow until a wounded soldier undergoes surgery, FDA officials said. Since the start of the Iraq war, more than 500 soldiers have lost limbs, many to injuries suffered in roadside bombings."

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  1. Even better by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Peace may save limbs lost in war.

    In short: stop warmongering, and soldiers will stay in one piece.

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    1. Re:Even better by Sinryc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If that is the case, you would have to tell it to every Democrat that voted for the war as well.

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    2. Re:Even better by LionKimbro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How does that make sense?

      The original poster said: tell it to bush and the republicans, we wouldn't be in there if it weren't for them

      You reply with: If that is the case, you would have to tell it to every Democrat that voted for the war as well.

      Democrat congresspeople voted for the war, it is true. But most of the Democrats that I know were against the war from the beginning. It was the Republican population that was supporting the war.

      Do you remember that neat little debate, within the population? Do you remember how divided everyone was, and how the newspapers were writing about it? The "misinformed" + "watching Fox News" numbers going around? Remember?

      Now, if the Republican population had been against the war, none of this would have happened.

      Us non-Congressperson Democrats were firmly against the war in Iraq. We said things like, "We don't believe that there are WMD there," we said things like, "Let's listen to the inspectors," we said things like, "This evidence is really shoddy," and we said "This is going to be a disaster. You can't spread Democracy like this." We said all sorts of things. And you know what? We were right on just about every damn single one of them!

      It was the Republican-voting population that allowed for this present reality to exist.

      Not the Democrats' population.

      So, tell it to the Republicans: Stop warmongering, and soldiers will stay in one piece.

  2. Only 500? by Weston+O'Reilly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Only 500 soldiers have lost limbs since the start of the war? Why does that sound so unlikely? We've been hearing all along that the death toll is so much lower than previous US wars because of advances in trauma care that allow soldiers to survive injuries that were once not survivable, but we're seeing a huge increase in limb loss in the trade off.

    Does anyone know if this statistic is accurate?

    1. Re:Only 500? by dave420 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Time says the 500th amputee was a Corporal, injured on January 12th 2007.

    2. Re:Only 500? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      So, back in early 2004, I was still working for Uncle sam & wearing a cute little uniform. I got into a (relatively minor, compared to what they went through) accident, and spent a bit of time at Bethesda. While I was in surgery & the ICU, my wife talked to four wives of Marines who had been shipped back to the US in the last week, all of whom were expected to survive. One of them had already lost about half his leg, and two of the remaining were expected to be paralyzed. So that makes me think that this "five hundred" figure is complete limb amputations - the guys who just lost a hand or a foot probably aren't counted in there. Nor are the guys (and some girls) who might be partially paralyzed for the rest of their lives.

    3. Re:Only 500? by quigonn · · Score: 3, Informative

      I bet a lot of the amputations don't count because they were done in the military hospital or Ramstein... just like all dead soldiers. They don't get into the official statistics of US Americans who died in this war when they die outside of Iraq, e.g. in a plane during transportation to Europe, or in a US Army hospital in Europe.

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  3. Re:Not to argue semantics... by Chmcginn · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, the figures for people with amputations aren't readibly available. What you can find, though, is the figures on total casualties. See this link. So we know that (as of Feb 2006), a total of 23,000 troops were wounded in action and survived, of which some 7000 required to be medevaced. (Hence my 7000 figure from the earlier post.) I've looked a bit, but I haven't seen any reports on the final disposition of those casualties - how many of those make full recoveries, how many are amputess, blind, deaf, or end up with medical discharges at some point.

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  4. What the hell is wrong with all of you? by TheFlyingGoat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure, it would be nice to not be in Iraq, but the fact remains that we're there and we're not pulling out anytime soon. Even if we were pulling out of Iraq immediately, there will be other wars in the world. This technology has nothing to do with politics, so knock it off.

    I'm not that familiar with battlefield medicine, but this seems like a big step forward for it. Anything that helps soldiers (American or otherwise) do their jobs better, protects them, or helps them live better lives after conflict is a good thing.

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  5. Re:Interesting statistics there. by lav-chan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Uh. The same reason football players can't keep playing professionally after they've fucked up their knees?

    Just because it's still connected doesn't mean it's still functional.

  6. Way more than 500 by spineboy · · Score: 3, Informative

    A partner of mine,who was an orthopaedic surgeon in Iraq for 4 years, did over 600 amputations, and he's just one surgeon.

    That number is waaay lowballing the actual number.

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  7. Re:You know by SummitCO · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually, a great number of Iraqi casualties are treated by US forces.

  8. They're only counting Americans by Gorimek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The article, and the discussion here, only considers Americans. In reality, there is probably over 10 injured Iraqis for every injured American.

    The inability of the average American to even consider this can be seen as the whole problem of this war in a nut shell, if you're in a grumpy mood.

    An other mathematical factor is that you can amputate 600 limbs on only 150 people.

    1. Re:They're only counting Americans by bhaberman · · Score: 3, Funny

      What about heads?

  9. Re:Bury your head in the sand by anagama · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nobody thinks the world would be at peace. But we wouldn't have fucked up Iraq. Saddam was no hero, but his was a secular regime hated by those who hate us. All we've done is give them another country to turn into a theocracy. At this point, there is no hope for the next three decades at minimum. Either we stay there till it is even more obviously impossible, at which point the anti-US theocracy takes over and 30-40 years later, tensions ease (think Viet Nam). Or we leave now, the theocracy takes over, and 30-40 years later tensions ease. This is all Bush's fault. Oh, and Nader's.

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  10. Re:Just so SOMEBODY does it..... by localman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The anonymous parent post, flagged as flamebait, is dead on. It's just so dead on it's sad. And I'll be proud to be modded down as well.

    I just wish there was some way for the tiny minority who knew full well in advance that this war was a bad idea could have actually stopped it. But that's not how the world works. The hotblooded masses create a mess like this and then when it becomes obvious, they just embitter themselves against those who warned them rather than learn or admit they were wrong. Whatever.

    And of course this is an appropriate venue for this dissent: it's a serious fucking war. It's more important than anything. If you're complaining about the subtleties of message board etiquitte you may want to rethink your priorities.