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The Pirate Bay, Featured in Vanity Fair

koregaonpark writes "Via the TorrentFreak site, an article in the latest issue of Vanity Fair about BitTorrent, movie piracy and The Pirate Bay. The Vanity Fair piece is lengthy, and covers the MPAA's struggle to stamp out piracy, Hollywood's increasing losses, and how the 'heartfelt testimony of Ben Affleck, a man who was paid $12.5 million to star in Gigli,' didn't help one bit. 'Pirates of the Multiplex' covers the saga of Pirate Bay in a very high-level, mass-market fashion. Did you ever think you'd be reading about TPB in Vanity Fair?"

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  1. You can't stop commoditizing of an item by dada21 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I appreciate this article because it shows common sense in how the market of distribution operates. Would daddy give his daughter The Little Mermaid on a DVD written with a Sharpie? But that isn't the key element of why "piracy" is good for the market of art creation -- "piracy" is the return of power to everyone, rather than just those who are politically powerful.

    Regardless of what the State tries to do to create monopolies using force, you can't stop the commoditizing of a product. In the case of copyright, the commoditizing isn't the actual movie or song, but the distribution system. For the first few thousand years or so of writing on paper, the distribution mechanism was a tiny industry of copy-writers. Most villages had one Bible as their own written word, and it stayed this way for generations. The printing press blew open the door for people getting their ideas out -- that is all it was about. People wrote to increase their power to attract an audience to pay them for their knowledge. Shakespeare's money didn't come from bookmaking, but from attracting others to his plays. His name was strong because of the press, but his money came from his repeat labor of continuing his work throughout his life. Can you imagine if Shakespeare had copyright to protect his first book, and never returned to the writing desk to continue writing? That's sort of what we're seeing today with the implementation of ridiculous copyright laws -- forced monopolies that give the distribution system more power than the author or the actor.

    After 100 years of copyright really dooming the amateur and the new content creators to obscurity, we're finally seeing distribution move from a coerced monopoly to the masses. We're moving to the day that everyone will have a level playing field in terms of their ability to market their product to the masses -- but no one will be able to "get rich quick" with only a few months or a year of hard work -- if you want continued success, you will have to continue to work. This is how income has always existed -- you work, you find a market/customer, you get paid, you continue to work and the cycle repeats. Copyright has destroyed that cycle for the top tier elite, and thankfully The Pirate Bay and the Internet at large is destroying that State-perversion of the market so we all can have access to the system of distribution -- if we work hard at marketing our product.

    I can't wait to see what happens to the current distribution systems as our preteens and teens hit their 30s and 40s. They've grown up around knowing that information is readily available freely. For a short period of time, artists and producers may get harmed by this fact -- they will see much of their work copied freely without reimbursement. But this means we'll see more artists and producers moving to a repeat-labor market where they work for their dollar -- more concerts, more plays/live productions, more face-time with their fans, etc. You can copy the new Fall Out Boy album for free, but their concerts will cost you $30-$50 a ticket. Why? Because these famous, popular musicians have the opportunity to provide their customers with a unique experience, and the supply of this particular artist does not meet the demand for them -- the price goes up. This is a GOOD THING.

    I'm paying $180 to see Prince in Vegas in March. We love seeing him play live. He made a good decision to go around Universal and the rest of the collusive monopolists in the distribution market -- he plays lives twice a week at his club. He sells it out. Good for him. I see Matthew Broderick and David Hasselhoff have embraced this market too -- instead of just making movies, now they act live in musicals and theater productions -- commanding high ticket prices for the truly scarce product. As I've said before, an artist might spend 3-6 months creating something new and unique, and they hope to make money on it forever without more work. A plumber might spend 3-6 months learning a new task to fix a bathroom sink, but the

    1. Re:You can't stop commoditizing of an item by dada21 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Good luck creating the equivalent of "live performances" for TV shows, Movies, games, and animation.

      Many games already have moved away from the "buy once" mentality -- subscriptions to multiplayer online games are the true source of income for the more popular games. As time progresses, I think we'll see more value-added items that people will be willing to pay for in terms of why they would pay for a game rather than "steal" it. One reason to purchase a product is for the physical items that entice people to buy the real deal -- Ultima always had maps and books that were interesting. Sure, the pirated versions had these in digital format, but the real fans (and the amateur fans) were happy to buy the real version to acquire these tokens. Also, as piracy is accepted rather than disparaged, people who like a given game and want to see a future one made will support the game in order to promote the idea that they want more of the same in the future -- this is already happening.

      TV shows already have secondary markets for the stars -- how many stars of TV shows do you know that are doing theater productions and musicals? How many shows have fans behind them that want the show to continue but the show was canceled because the distribution company said so? Firefly comes to mind, as do many other shows. The fans will eventually be the financial producers of shows after the initial pilot and episodes are made. If fans want the show to continue, they'll purchase subscriptions that finance future shows. Cable TV currently limits this ability, but as everything moves to VoD, I believe this will be a viable alternative. The same is true for Anime, a market which was NOTHING until "piracy" saved it and brought Anime interest in the market. Do you think that Anime/Manga would exist if not for the huge black market in the US for the first few years? Now there is a growing market that exists WITHOUT big distributors enabling it to exist and blossom -- fans pay for what fans want to see more of.

    2. Re:You can't stop commoditizing of an item by tomstdenis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What I hate though is that any media endeavour that doesn't make money is automatically the victim of piracy.

      Maybe studios lose money because they're so f'ing out of touch with reality that people are entertaining themselves on their own terms.

      Instead of paying $20 for a whole album where I only want select tunes, I'll use P2P. Then pops up itunes, which last I checked WAS MAKING A LOT OF MONEY. Maybe the studios should take a hint. Just because an artist slings together a couple good tracks doesn't mean you can cram with it 50 mins of filler and call it an album.

      As for TV, most shows on TV are either shite or derivative shite [CSI, CSI NY, CSI MIAMI, CSI OKLAHOMA, CSI Alaska, etc...]. I get that they're trying to make the most amount of money without actually doing work, but sometimes that doesn't work.

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    3. Re:You can't stop commoditizing of an item by Microlith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Pro-piracy arguments always seem to fall on their face for me because they seem to imply that the "fans" exist before the show does. Yet how many times have I read on this site alone that people would never have bought the show if they hadn't seen it before hand, and would never buy a show without seeing it first.

      Without copyright you'll never see a show made without it being bought and paid for before production. Who knows what you'll get?

      a market which was NOTHING until "piracy" saved it and brought Anime interest in the market. Do you think that Anime/Manga would exist if not for the huge black market in the US for the first few years? Now there is a growing market that exists WITHOUT big distributors enabling it to exist and blossom -- fans pay for what fans want to see more of.

      I've heard this argument before and I still think it's a load of crap. The people who download anime freely are most often those who are least likely to buy it. People forget that there was huge, HUGE interest generated after Bandai and Pioneer (now Geneon) on Cartoon Network. Far more than the mediocre audience garnered by digisubs in 2000. In fact I'll wager the reverse was true, all the digisub groups experienced an explosion in popularity once people realized they could go on and download it without having to pay for it at all.

    4. Re:You can't stop commoditizing of an item by shark72 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Composing and performing are two different things. People make music they don't perform. Your example, when extended to programming, would mean programmers shouldn't get paid for coming up with a useful program, but rather for the act of re-typing the code for others' amusement."

      I think the standard argument here is that if a composer or musician can't or won't perform live, then they're not real musicians, and thus don't deserve the money. This is, of course, complete horseshit; my library is filled with lots of music by very talented people who, for whatever reason, rarely if ever go on tour.

      Another common argument is that they'll send money to the artist (the other people who worked on the album and whose ongoing employment depends on the CDs success can go fuck themselves, I guess) and then buy a t-shirt. Of my friends who actively pirate music, I have not once ever seen them wear a t-shirt extolling the virtues of some band.

      "Someone making techno in his basement will never see a fucking dime via your logic."

      I think deep down, many people just want musicians to accept their new place in society -- a place that's a notch below programmers, IT people, etc. on the social and economic ladder. We have the technology -- the P2P apps and so on -- and there's more of us than there are of them. Notice that lots of the arguments are on the order of "musicians should just stop being so greedy and learn to make do with less?" That's a bit like what our ancestors said to the American Indians, and our ancestors also had the technology to make it happen.

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    5. Re:You can't stop commoditizing of an item by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 3, Informative

      Of course, Shakespeare died in 1616, and the first English copyright laws that had anything to do with authors (as opposed to stationer's copyrights which had more to do with publishers and censorship) didn't arise until 1710. And I don't know where you're getting the idea that there were perpetual copyrights as a fairly ordinary matter. So before you point out the mote in the previous poster's eye, perhaps you should attend to the beam in your own?

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    6. Re:You can't stop commoditizing of an item by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Would daddy give his daughter The Little Mermaid on a DVD written with a Sharpie?
      Actually that's exactly what I would do. The studios claim the DVD is a license (to view the movie as often as I wish in private), not a physical product (which I could copy or distribute as I wish). But if my daughter were to destroy the physical DVD and I try to get a replacement, suddenly they claim the DVD is a physical product and I must purchase another copy to replace the broken one; the fact that I already paid for a license to view the movie doesn't matter. Which is it? A license or a physical product? No answer? Then of course I'm going to copy every DVD I buy (using a tool they've managed to outlaw as illegal) and only use the copies for viewing while the originals are kept safe from the destructive hands of little children.

      The software industry got this right. If you buy a piece of software, you get a license to the software. If you destroy the CD (or DVD), most software companies will send you replacements if you can prove your original purchase. If they ever upgrade the software, they recognize that you've already paid for a license and sell you the upgrade for less than a new copy. I suspect the reason they got it right is because the software industry is populated by people who think logically and reasonably. They treat me fairly, so I gladly pay for the software I use.

      Contrast this with the entertainment industry. If you buy a movie/song, you get a license to view/hear the song. If you destroy the CD (or DVD) they require you to buy a new license at full price. If they ever upgrade the movie/song (new media format or an extended release), they require you to buy a new license at full price. This is called trying to have your cake and eat it too. I suspect the reason the entertainment industry does things this way is because it is populated by people who try to screw everyone (even their own artists) out of every dollar they can. Excuse me for not shedding a tear for the woes of such people.

    7. Re:You can't stop commoditizing of an item by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think deep down, many people just want musicians to accept their new place in society -- a place that's a notch below programmers, IT people, etc. on the social and economic ladder.

      Huh?? they always have been that way. Before 1920 musicians were roving poor with the incredibly rare composer that was rich only because he was fancied by the rich that threw money at him.

      Musicians being rich spoiled brats is a strange happening in history and they are simply getting reverted back to what they were less than 100 Years ago.

      They were looked down upon by the upper class through most of history and were equals of the working man.

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  2. oblig. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't feel like buying the magazine, anyone have a .torrent?

  3. Ben Affleck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah I'm sure Ben Affleck is eating TV dinners because of Pirates Bay. I wish someone would smack that arrogant jack ass.

    1. Re:Ben Affleck by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well there is truth to the statement that a lot of good jobs are in the movie industry and that there are lots of people from construction, lighting, writing, catering etc that all benefit from film production.

      The problem is.. Hollywood themselves do not support American film makers. Hollywood at any opportunity will move productions to Canada, and other foreign countries just to cut production costs (cheaper crews)

      So Hollywoods own pr is bullshit in many respects. Theres definatly some truth to it though. I do think piracy hurts them... but not as much as they claim. For example I havent gone to the movies much at all this past year... It's not because i've been downloading dvds like a dope addict... cause i havent been. Its because they havent inspired me to get off my ass yet. Spiderman3 i'll go see, theres a few others i'm looking forward to, but overall the way they promote films turns me off. I dont want to really go see a film that i pretty got the story from the commercial. I want to explore films, find ones that are interesting, not be told that this is the funniest film of the year... and have it not be.

      Consumers are smarter... thats all. They have more options when it comes to seeing a film and not paying for it... so they need to really be fair with consumers, lowering the ticket prices is a good start.

      My friends girl, buys dvds constantly. I mean 200$ at a time. All legal of course. We think shes nuts.... "you can rent them and copy them we exclaim" :) But she loves to buy them. I'm a movie nut myself and she outspends me, and i consider her a more casual consumer of films.... cause she buys lots of crap :)

      DVD sales have slowed dramatically though. Most analysts will say that the dvd days are done. The sales are bottomed and they're hoping for HD and Bluray to spark that massive dvd like buying trend that took place with dvds.... I dont know if people are that willing to buy another entire library of films they already own... Sure some films... but thats asking a lot form a consumer in a format war.

      Its possible that the saving grace to film sales, will be technology... a constant upgrade in technology.... Soon uncompressed 4000x3000 resolution laser displays! Freddy Got Fingered will have never looked better! (i love that movie.. its brillant... i know.. shut up)

    2. Re:Ben Affleck by eln · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Try cooking when you work 3 jobs. The people buying the crappy TV dinners tend to be the working poor, not the sitting on their ass doing nothing poor.

      Also, making a cheese pizza for 2-3 bucks is a poor choice when you can buy a TV dinner with all 4 food groups represented for $1.50.

    3. Re:Ben Affleck by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Are you insane???

      A $1.99 Tv dinner costs way less than "real food". I suggest you go out and look at prices of "food" and then the prepackaged garbage they pass off as food in grocery stores. Low grade veggies are cheap like iceberg lettuce. But Romane lettuce costs $3.00 for a head. Everythign else and fruits all cost way more than bujying the prepacked garbage that is made from the grade D vegatable pieces and Meat and then breaded and deep fried to hide it's horrible taste while making it even worse for you.

      Poor people have bad nutrition because the cheap food is bad for you. It is expensive to eat good veggies, meats,grains. A loaf of crap-white bread is $0.89US a loaf of good multigrain is $3.25.. do I buy the good for you food and we starve for the week, or do I buy 2 loafs of the cheap crap and 1 jar of cheap peanutbutter (more sugar than protien) and at least have enough to make it to the next paycheck.

      I strongly suggest you get a reality dose on how the poor people really eat. Because you seem to not have a clue as to what is in most things and the costs of them. When you start digging into things like this you become horrified and then disgusted.... and dont even look at the chain fast food, that stuff will make you puke when you find out how horribly bad it is... There is a reason they can sell you a hamburger cooked and packaged for less than $1.00...

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    4. Re:Ben Affleck by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A packet of Myoplex costs less than $1 if you buy them in bulk on EBay, and each packet contains about half of the USRDA of more vitamins and minerals than I care to count right now. They also have enough protein to do whatever job you need protein to do.

      I'm not sure if many people have the discipline to eat them very often but they can be made to be pretty satisfying.

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  4. Annoying pointlessly multi-page articles. by Funkcikle · · Score: 5, Informative

    Single page version.

    Why on earth /. doesn't just link to these where available, I will never know...

    1. Re:Annoying pointlessly multi-page articles. by anonicon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why on earth /. doesn't just link to these where available, I will never know...

      Because the users who submit the articles either don't know or don't care about the uni-page alternative when they're sending their story link in, and the editors are still coming down off last weekend's methamphetamine bender with a gaggle of prostitutes, a case of tequila, and a goat named Rhonda.

  5. Answer: No. by nherc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What bizarre form of nerd reads Vanity Fair AND /.?

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  6. Bah by Gerocrack · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm waiting for the article on Slashdot to come out in Cosmo.

  7. Hollywoods increasing losses? by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I read not too long ago the industry was making record profits.

    Of course, the piece I read was in a business magazine, and seemed aimed at potential investors, not consumers.

    Guess the message changes depending on who they're talking to.

    I'll read about movies shattering box office records one day, and then read the sad, sad, tale of how Tom Hanks, Ron Howard and Glazer "only" get 25% of the net from Da Vinci Code, instead of 40%, because it didn't make the box office they'd hoped and the studio wanted more bucks. This is all because of internet piracy, not because it's a shitty formulaic movie based on a shitty formulaic novel that many people were sick of hearing about.

    I don't support pirating DVD rips, because IMO, unlike the RIAA, I actually think DVD's are priced fairly. They sell very well, as I'm told, and as far as I can see from anecdotal evidence: In our mall, the two music stores are gone - and a suncoast movie store just opened up, and another gamestop.

    Whatever, they can whine about piracy and we can whine about how we feel justified in pirating, etc. Nothing is going to change, though. If the big studios cant compete they'll close down, and others will take their place.

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  8. bravo, well said by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    i'd like to also add that the movie experience, the theatre, is still an experience people are willing to pay tickets for. in other words, the DVD aftermarket for movies is obsolete, exactly as you suggest. however, the movie house is not obsolete, as you suggest

    forget the internet for a moment: television was supposed to kill cinema in the 1950s. why is it still alive? why did it in fact boom in growth after the 1950s?

    psychologists have done studies showing that people actually subconsciously like the ooohs and aahs and laughs and startles of their fellow popcorn munchers at a movie. yes, a site like slashdot won't admit to the fact, but people apparently have an enhanced emotional experience in a packed theatre... subconciously

    consciously they won't admit that fact. they will complain about babies and cell phones, but that's what a lot of people do: whine and bitch and moan... and still go to the movies. people whine about greenhouse gases and global warming, but they still get in their cars every day too. people whine. and then forget about it. cest la vie

    look the experience of watching a first run movie at a giant screen surrounded by other people as emotionally enthralled as you. you've never seen it before. everyone else is anonymous to you, their reactions are real and honest. it's almost like church and you're a religious ecstatic: the presence of others and the overwhelming audio/ visual media greatly enhances your enjoyment

    ok, now compare: you're going to sit, alone, in front of a 19 inch monitor, in your basement, with your computer whirring in the background, and watch lord of the rings

    oh joy

    see my point?

    add popcorn. add a friend or two. make it a projector. add a booming sound system. it's stil not the same. really

    every single slashdotter who ever complains about cellphones and babies and loud rude jerks is still going to go to the movie theatre. again and again. i will bet money on it. in fact, their emotionally strong reaction to the ringing cell phone or loud rude jerk in theatre tells you exactly how important the movie theatre experience is to them. they don't want it messed with. people loudly proclaim how they will abandon something the love dearly if they are hurt or wounded. but they always come back, because they still love it

    the cinema isn't going anywhere. look only for future growth. that's a fact

    even if the MPAA magically said tomorrow they were completely abandoning DVDs and releasing all movies for free on line in highest quality the same day as release in theatres. people are still going to flock to movie houses, and movie houses will still grow. point of fact

    so like you talk about prince giving live concerts, or matthew broderick in the producers on broadway: i say to you that the movie house experience is just as much still alive and kicking and unthreatened by bittorrent and just as irreplaceable

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  9. Legal battle in Sweden by denoir · · Score: 5, Informative
    The battle of piracy laws in Sweden is far from over but there have been a number of defining decisions and events that will affect the end result.

    The first major blow to the anti-piracy lobby was when the courts ruled that collecting IP addresses was a privacy violation.

    The second blow was when the courts fined a guy that was engaged in sharing movies. The big point was that they didn't send him to jail. By Swedish law for a search warrant to be issued, the suspected crime must be punishable by jail. So no search warrants for copyright infringements.

    The third blow was that the courts found that electronically collected evidence was not enough for a copyright infringement conviction. Hard evidence was needed (computer hardware with the violating media installed) - which was not possible to obtain because of the previous ruling.

    The pirate bay spectacle has come at a huge political cost for the involved. The former minster of justice Thomas Bodström is facing hearings suspected of "ministerstyre" - as a minister putting pressure on civil servants, something excessively illegal and unconstitutional. It's major league stuff.

    Furthermore the pirate bay case according to almost every legal analysis is non-existent. They didn't even have any copyrighted material on their server - just torrent links - which is not against Swedish law. So why hasn't the case been dropped? Because everybody got so scared over the political shit storm came down crashing following the raids last year. Nobody involved wants to touch it and much less admit that it was because of political pressure. So the prosecutor is pushing on with the case although it is blatantly obvious to everybody that there won't be any convictions.

    If this all above makes you think that the battle is over and has been lost by the anti-pirating lobby, well, you'd be wrong. Swedish law is much less precedent based than for instance US or UK laws. The text of the law is more important than previous cases and you need a shitload of precedent before it becomes relevant. Right now we have something that amounts to anecdotal evidence. The anti-piracy lobby groups are trying to get convictions that would go against the existing precedents and it is not entirely impossible that they will succeed.

    The political situation is a bit different as file sharing is really on the march in Sweden. Some 1.2 million were estimated in 2005 and 2.5 million in 2006. That's a lot for a population of 9 million. You can't make nearly a third of the population criminals and the politicians have recognized that. Through that and because of the pirate bay scandal all the Swedish major parties have expressed the wish to find some form of general solution (a tax of some sort has been suggested) for both allowing people to freely download and for the artists to get paid. While this is far from being implemented, the idea of a "war on piracy" is very dead. The anti-piracy groups will do their thing but they can't expect any political support.

  10. hehehe... by Simulant · · Score: 4, Insightful


    "And what father would give his little daughter a copy of the 20th-anniversary edition of The Little Mermaid with the title scrawled in Sharpie?"

    This one.
    To not do so would be hypocritical on my part.

      The "end of the entertainment industry as we know it" does not strike me as a bad thing.

  11. Re:Who works 3 jobs and eats TV Dinners? by mrsbrisby · · Score: 3, Interesting

    With that much money coming in, a single person or even a couple could afford to eat better.
    How much money coming in do you think 3 jobs gets you?

    When its said someone works three jobs doesn't mean they're working 40+40+40 hours a week. They're probably only working about 60-70 hours a week. If they make minimum wage, they're probably barely scraping together 1000$ a month.

    That's not a lot of money, but it's significantly higher than the poverty limit. It's barely enough for an extremely modest mortgage, utilities, toiletries, 90 or so "2 dollar cheese pizzas", and 30 gallons of gasoline. They even have some money left to splurge and buy a book once in a while.

    Did these 'working poor' get raped on a mortgage because they really couldn't afford to own a home but wanted one anyway?
    A mortgage should always be cheaper than renting: why would you possibly think your landlord's mortgage was higher than your rent?

    Did these 'working poor' simply not get educated on how to eat affordably? Buy a whole freakin' chicken. Buy the 30lb bag of rice. Buy the huge bags of frozen store-brand veggies. There you go.
    Check prices on those things. The cheese pizzas are actually cheaper per-meal- and likewise- so are the TV dinners.

    Did these 'working poor' have children when they couldn't afford to have children?
    Maybe, or maybe they lost their jobs when the President gave tax credits to companies who outsourced American jobs overseas. Maybe they lost their jobs when their office building was blown up by an airplane. Only a fool would pretend to know.

    Minimum wage is supposed to be the minimum necessary allowence to have an "acceptable" standard of living, and at minimum wage it takes quite a bit more than 40 hours of work, but you seem to think that's okay.

    Just exactly how many hours a week does someone need to work in order to afford a house? Healthy food? Clean water? A child?

    Or do you really believe the definition of capitalism intends for people to degrade themselves below the acceptable standards of living when someone wants to buy a book?
  12. They should make it cheaper by guruevi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They should make movies, music etc. much cheaper and without DRM, especially the main stream media. Sure they can say, that it costs a lot to create stuff, but if we give the performing people according to what they do and not what they look like, that would make the costs plummet. I always hate when they talk about an actor, getting $13 million for maybe a year long project. I probably won't ever make that in my life. I currently think I am paid pretty well (70k+) and I can support myself. I can understand that they probably need/want/deserve more but anything over $2m/year is a little overrated for me.

    Also, eliminate organizations like RIAA, MPAA and other shills that are not adding any positive value to the process (that includes DRM, ratings etc). Look at any standard business model, any piece in an organization that is not performing or delivering any added value (short or long term) to the organization is (usually) cut loose.

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