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New Accelerator Technique Doubles Particle Energy

ZonkerWilliam writes "Plasma wake particle accelerators are making surprisingly quick advances. It was a just a little while ago we had GeV acceleration in 3cm. Now they are capable of doubling the energy of electrons. 'Imagine a car that accelerates from zero to sixty in 250 feet, and then rockets to 120 miles per hour in just one more inch. That's essentially what a collaboration of accelerator physicists has accomplished, using electrons for their race cars and plasma for the afterburners. Because electrons already travel at near light's speed in an accelerator, the physicists actually doubled the energy of the electrons, not their speed.'"

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  1. We're all going to die! by BagMan2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    One of these days those crazy scientists are going to do something and we will all just disappear into a mass of energy.

    1. Re:We're all going to die! by General+Fault · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hows the old saying go?
      "With the bomb squad, you can usually stop running after the first couple of blocks. If it involves the physics department, keep going."

      or perhaps

      "We're pleased to announce we are still here to report the results."

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  2. Cue people who pretend they understand the science by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Funny

    in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

  3. E=1/2 m v^2 by leehwtsohg · · Score: 4, Informative

    The kinetic energy is proportional to speed^2 (E=1/2 m v^2), so a car at 120mph has 4 times the energy of a car at 60mph. Thus, doubling in energy is not like doubling in speed.

    1. Re:E=1/2 m v^2 by qbwiz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, you're right when you don't account for relativity. When you're going at .99c and you double your energy, you don't start going at 1.4c.

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    2. Re:E=1/2 m v^2 by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 4, Funny

      I didn't know 60 mph was close to c. Maybe for large values of 60? ;-)

  4. Re:Cue people who pretend they understand the scie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You might not believe it but there are some bona-fida scientists skulking about slashdot.

  5. innerspace by President_Camacho · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's essentially what a collaboration of accelerator physicists has accomplished, using electrons for their race cars and plasma for the afterburners.

    Those sound like really small physicists.

    1. Re:innerspace by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Funny

      using electrons for their race cars and plasma for the afterburners

      And their wives still say they're compensating.

  6. Another particle in a box by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 3, Informative

    In terms of solving the relevent math covered in the study of Quantum Mechanics and Molecular Spectroscopy (senior Inorganic Chem II at my alma mater), pumping energy into an electron is computationally similar to accelerating an object of 1000 kg mass to 60 mph over the span of time required to travel 250 feet and then nearly instantaneously pumping enough energy to double the velocity in the span of time represented by the distance travelled in one more inch.

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  7. Only for small values of v by benhocking · · Score: 5, Informative

    E=mv^2/2 only for small values of v.

    The other formula for E, you might have heard of, is E=mc^2. m = \gamma m_0, where m_0 is the rest mass, \gamma = 1 / sqrt(1 - \beta^2), and beta = v/c. I.e.,
    E=m_0 c^2/sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2)
    For very small values of v (relative to c), 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) \approx = (1/2)v^2/c^2, which leads back to your formula - but the approximation is only valid for v

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  8. Misunderstanding by erosannin · · Score: 5, Informative

    I assume you are referencing Dimopoulos and Landsberg's paper http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v87/i16/e161602 . There is nothing to worry about. These physicists proposed that if certain theories were true (M theory, quantum loop gravity, super symmetry) then the energy densities seen in the RHIC or LHC experiments could produce something "mathematically analogous" to a black hole. There is no possibility under any current theory that an event horizon could form and attract matter.

    1. Re:Misunderstanding by andy314159pi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What if D-O-G really spelled C-A-T

  9. Don't Knock It! by StefanJ · · Score: 5, Funny

    I jammed a butter knife into a 220v circuit when I was a toddler and became a diembodied electromagnetic life-force with super powers.

    Other than a morbid fear of lightning rods and antistatic wrist-straps, it pretty much rocks.

  10. For the Americans here by lelitsch · · Score: 4, Funny

    They increased the mass of the electrons by 1.65064935 × 10-27 hundredweight in 0.00032808399 football fields. Sorry, I don't know how much that is in SUVs.

    Seriously, though, this is a neat trick. (Yes, IAAP)

  11. Re:Obligatory Response by It'sYerMam · · Score: 4, Funny

    Besides, only engineers use decimal measurements, everyone else uses fractions.

    Unless you're irrational, that is.

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  12. The example is stupid... by sealawyer2003 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    'Imagine a car that accelerates from zero to sixty in 250 feet, and then rockets to 120 miles per hour in just one more inch. First of all at non relativisitc speeds, doubling the speed results in a four fold increase in kinetic energy and not a doubling. Why give a bad classical mechanics analogy and then tell us that the speed didn't actually double because of relativistic effects.

  13. I actually work on this at USC!!! by Brietech · · Score: 5, Informative

    I actually do some work on this with the PWFA group at USC (i'm an undergrad research assistant). It really is amazing! We can reach acceleration gradients of around 60 GeV/m, compared to something like 40 MeV/m for a normal accelerator. It works like this:
    1. The electrons travel down the main linac in carefully spaced "bunches", and get accelerated to around 43 GeV over a course of ~3KM (this is at the main beam at SLAC).
    2. A (in the last experiment) 1.2m long Lithium plasma "oven" is at the end of the beam, which the electrons are directed into.
    3. The first, or "driving," bunch goes through the plasma, and repels all of the electrons it gets near, leaving an "empty" wake behind it, where only the positively charged ions are.
    4. The positive charge behind the driving beam pulls it backwards, causing it to lose energy. At the same time, a "witness" bunch placed strategically within the wakefield gets pulled forward by the positively charged ions. The witness gains energy while the driver loses energy.
    5. Voila! One bunch now has twice the energy, and one bunch now has none . . .or at least something close to that!

    The main caveat is that you're upward-limited by your entering energy, so you still need a huge Linac to accelerate the bunches to begin with. This will likely get tacked on in the form of a "plasma afterburner" to a normal linac, such as in the setup at SLAC.

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    1. Re:I actually work on this at USC!!! by Brietech · · Score: 4, Informative

      As far as I understand it, it doesn't work nearly as well for heavier particles (I assume you are thinking protons?). Especially ones with a positive charge. The heavy mass of the protons compared to the electrons in the plasma cloud are what allows the "wakefield" to be created in the first place. When we model this stuff, the ions move so slowly compared to the electrons that we generally just assume that they are static for the duration of the beam passing through the oven (pico-femto second range). As I mentioned earlier, this will most likely always show up as an "afterburner" that goes at the end of a traditional linac.

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    2. Re:I actually work on this at USC!!! by Galahad2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I attended a talk from one of the primary investigators on this project a few months back. The system does indeed spread out the distribution, which can be bad for some circumstances. When all you care about is the peak energy, however, it's great. They call it a plasma afterburner.

      One thing that isn't obvious is that you can't use two of these devices to double the energy twice. One doubling is all you got. Apparently there's some theorem in plasma physics that a Gaussian distributed pulse (as SLAC is) can only be energy-doubled by any method or methods once. I don't know the details of this, and I might be misrepresenting it, but there you go.

      By the way, I think you have a misconception about temperature. It's true that a higher temperature gas has a wider energy spectrum, but the primary piece of information you're interested in is the average velocity. The statistical distribution is a function of only one variable -- you can't "spread out" the distribution to increase the temperature without simply dumping energy into the system. If you somehow separated the particles into low average energy and high average energy, you'd just have two classes of particles with two temperatures, not one cumulatively higher one.

  14. Luminosity by jpflip · · Score: 4, Informative

    As I understand it, luminosity is one major reason why this technology is not yet ready for prime time (i.e. not in time for the proposed ILC). You can't just accelerate a few particles to high energies and say you are done. You're looking for rare processes, so you need to create many consistent particle collisions per second in a tiny area. This means you need to have a tight, "bright" beam. The Tevatron has a luminosity of ~2e+32 interactions/cm^2/s now, the LHC may eventually reach 1e+34, and the goal for the ILC is more like 2e+34. Plasma wakefield systems are now demonstrating large increases in energy over short distances, but it's very difficult to daisy-chain them together to reach high total energies with any significant luminosity.

  15. Re:Cue people who pretend they understand the scie by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cue people who pretend they understand the science...

    As mentioned, there are some of us around here who are actual scientists. However, there are no details in the article, thus no science to understand. All I found were crappy analogies with afterburners and some hand-wavey crap about plasma. I'm pretty sure that if it were as easy as running some crap through a plasma to accelerate it, it would have been done some time ago. And there are a number of pertinent questions:

    Why do they have to use a 2-mile accelerator if the plasma can do in a foot what it takes the 2 miles to do?

    Why can't it be longer?

    How is the plasma chamber set up? I'm guessing it's probably an coupled with an RF field, which can accelerate a plasma, but details, come on!