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How Would You Deal With A Global Bandwidth Crisis?

lopy writes "First Google claimed the internet infrastructure won't scale to provide an acceptable user experience for online video. Then some networking experts predict that a flu pandemic would bring the internet to it's knees and lead to internet rationing. We used to think that bandwidth would always increase as needed, but what would happen if that isn't the case? How would you deal with a global bandwidth shortage? Would you be willing to voluntarily limit your internet usage if necessary? Could you live in a world without cheap and plentiful broadband internet access?"

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  1. My answer by suso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How Would You Deal With A Global Bandwidth Crisis?

    Simple, I wouldn't put up with it. I would demand that they make technologies that do scale. With all the breakthroughs that we've seen lately in storage, CPU power and bandwidth on I2, I just can't believe these kind of statements. These kind of fear tactics I believe are meant to help drive up the price of bandwidth when people are driving it down.

    1. Re:My answer by Original+Replica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      These kind of fear tactics I believe are meant to help drive up the price of bandwidth when people are driving it down.

      Shhh. not so loud. Do you realize what might happen if people thought about how fearmongering, in the form of rediculous "what if?" scenarious, is used to influence the barely concious masses? Next you're going to tell me that it might be better to have the evening news present stories about serious issues, instead of the human interest stories that help soothe our fragile populace. You Sir, are a Menace.

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    2. Re:My answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How Would You Deal With A Global Bandwidth Crisis?

      I'd start selling bandwidth.

  2. No Chance by mrbcs · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "Could you live in a world without cheap and plentiful broadband internet access?"

    GET STUFFED! I moved to the boonies and put up with dialup for 2 weeks, then satelite for 6 months till I finally got on the supernet.

    You can pry my bandwidth from my cold dead hands!

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  3. Self-limiting congestion by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If the whole Internet is truly choking on bandwidth issues, all those "high-bandwidth" things they complain about (YouTube) will be too slow to get at properly, and people will give up and go watch TV or something instead.

    Did 9/11 choke the Internet? I'd say that was a heck of a lot more of an immediate go-to-your-computer-for-news crisis...

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  4. I'd do the same thing I always have by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Return to text based services to minimize my bandwidth usage

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    1. Re:I'd do the same thing I always have by ksheff · · Score: 2, Insightful

      basically behave like a dialup user. YouTube & other high bandwidth sites aren't that important. The VoIP users might not like it though.

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    2. Re:I'd do the same thing I always have by skoaldipper · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which is the greatest ad blocker that I can think of as well. Maybe limit commercial sites and their use of graphics first.

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  5. It's not going to happen. by TheDarkener · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Look at the topology of the Internet. The tier 1 ISPs (Sprint, MCI, etc.) will upgrade their backbone pipes, and the same will happen in a trickle-down effect, as it always has.

    Seriously...this is a pretty lame attempt at a "What if" scare-tactic article!

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  6. there's no crisis by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    back in the 1980s people communicated via bulletin board systems over 300 baud modems

    if it is true that the internet won't scale in the scenarios outlined above, it won't scale only in a specific context: the context of bps hungry applications

    ok: so you won't be able to watch the latest youtube laugh video. whoop de friggin doo

    you'll still be able to communicate, plain text emails, simple html pages, etc.

    in other words, applications that use very little bandwidth, that, until a few years ago, was more than satisfactory for our requirements, will do just fine ...and still are satisfactory for our requirements, if you consider what you actually "need" to do on the web: communicate via text

    no MMORPG, no video, maybe no audio: oh well

    remember: the internet was originally conceived to survive a nuclear strike

    i think the internet (as we need it, maybe not as we want it) will survive youtube + WoW + bittorrent + huge spam hordes, or the Flu Armageddeon Telecommute Scenario (tm), just fine

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  7. Get rid of all spammers by Yeechang+Lee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd send special forces to permanently take out all spammers worldwide. Voilà! Global bandwidth usage goes down by 50% or more.

    (Of course, I favor doing this today, regardless of any crisis.)

  8. More important things to worry about by Bonobo_Unknown · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This might seem a little silly, but during a viral pandemic or any other event that causes massive social upheaval you may actually have more important things to worry about than checking your myspace.

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  9. "Global bandwidth crisis" is a crock by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Talking of a glocal bandwidth crisis is bullshit. Bandwidth cannot be meaningfully traded/exported etc like, say, oil. To talk of a global oil crisis is meaningful because there is only xxx production worldwide and yyy demand and a country with a surplus (more desire for cash than lots of oil) can stuff the surplus in a tanker and ship it to a country with more desire for oil than cash (typically USA). You can't trade bandwidth like this: if I install some fibre in Mexico, I can't realisticly ship the bandwidth to New York.

    There can only meaningfully be a bandwidth issue between the endpoints of a transaction.

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    1. Re:"Global bandwidth crisis" is a crock by Shaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What are you talking about? Bandwidth is limited by hardware constraints, line constraints, political restraints, cost restraints, peering restraints, and other reasons. Bandwidth is meaningfully traded by big ISPs, Telcos and governments *every* day.

      You're thinking about it wrong here. When you are talking about Internet transit, you are talking about shipping your packets all over the world. Services like that are productized in all corners of the marketplace, and services cost money just like physical products. In the case of Internet transit, you're paying for a certain number of packets per second (often expressed as "bandwidth" allotment in a contract) to pass through a gateway, and usually in a residential service relationship, you are paying for a maximum performance with no set guarantees or dedicated services.

      How do people get these concepts so wrong is beyond me.

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    2. Re:"Global bandwidth crisis" is a crock by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When we all used 300 baud modems, was there a "bandwidth shortage"?


            Uhhh actually I don't know about you, but sometimes it would take me hours to be able to log in due to busy signals at the modem banks, so yeah, I guess there was a bandwidth shortage.

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    3. Re:"Global bandwidth crisis" is a crock by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "When we all used 300 baud modems, was there a "bandwidth shortage"?"

      Yes. How many people cuold connect to a BBS running a 300 baud modem? How many times was a modem not downloading at it's optimal spped? Bandwidth shortage!
      Doesn't mean it wasn't fixable, you that technology wouldn't evolve, but at that moment it was a bandwidth shortage. I mean come on, I had only so long to download topless pictures of the Barbi twins!

      its 15 mpg not 9, dumb ass.

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    4. Re:"Global bandwidth crisis" is a crock by MindStalker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Either way its the perfect market. If bandwidth started truly running in short supply a little thing called supply and demand would kick in QUICKLY. ISPs getting complaints from users would implement higher caps or simply start charging more per speed rating. People would then either cut back or they would pay more. That extra payment then could be used to expand the network or the telcos could pocket it. The telcos that just pocket it would then start to lose customers. And the whole thing just goes in circles.. So whats the question again?????

    5. Re:"Global bandwidth crisis" is a crock by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      There is no bandwidth block hole on the major trunks, you need more you add more. The big 'tubes' (gotta love polies) are the cheapest per bit and the most profitable. Why do you think every company focused on that part of the fibre market rather than the fibre to the home, because it had far lower capital costs and the highest margins.

      When they all jumped into the same market at the same time, they created an oversupply, or what has been euphemistically called as laying a lot of dark fibre, a huge amount of it in fact, this B$ about having filled all the dark fibre is just marketing hype and trying to force up the price.

      Especially as technology has marched ahead and has allowed a lot more traffic to pass down the exact same fibres, except of course those dark ones ;-). As for live TV streams, they can be cut back to near nothing, with effective caching at the ISP level (don't send hundreds of thousands of streams over seas, send one and cache/mirror locally for re-distribution).

      There you go, a brand new patentable business opportunity, automatic local caching/mirroring of offshore/long range streams, to reduce bandwidth/traffic costs.

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    6. Re:"Global bandwidth crisis" is a crock by Garabito · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But where does Microsoft and the Bush administration fit into this schema? I'm sure 'Gobal Badwidth Crisis' has to be related to 'Global Warming Crisis'
    7. Re:"Global bandwidth crisis" is a crock by inviolet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Implying that people arguing against SUVs are simply jealous poor people and/or that something is okay just because you can afford it is ridiculous.

      I didn't imply that... his post absolutely reeked of it. I was just pointing out that his SUVs-are-environmentally-harmful point was the end of the psychological progression for him, rather than (as he would have us believe) the starting point of his condemnation of those who drive them.

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  10. Global bandwidth crisis? oh the horror. by humungusfungus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, I'd probably start by looking at all of the other *real* global crises and them promptly get the fuck over it.

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  11. Re:My answer (extended) by Compholio · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... then it should put a mirror of its content in another backbone, thus distributing the load over the net.
    Yes, we've come up with a pretty efficient way of doing just that - they call it "BitTorrent".
  12. Re:How would I deal with it? by GooberToo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's easy! Just kill all spammers and we instantly all have 50%-60% more bandwidth. Problem solved! Anyone want this shovel?

  13. Re:I think you should pay for bandwidth anyways by pla · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Walk through any major network centre and try to count the dollars for the machinery, fibre, and operating labour.

    All fixed costs. NOCs, and the lines between them, cost $X in overhead whether they push 5Kb or 5Pb per day. The actual use costs nothing (except perhaps electricity, but even then, virtually all modern signalling protocols preferentially use electrically-off states).



    Now factor in the requirement for spares, peering agreements, FIX fees, necessary support contracts from the hardware vendors

    With the exception of peerage, which I mentioned (and for end users, basically means paying your ISP bill), the rest just amounts to overhead. Same no matter how much traffic you have, up to your peak capacity. You can try to inflate the numbers however you want, but they still stay flat with respect to throughput when you factor in everything above you.



    This is such horseshit.

    Really, now? So, which tier-1 do you work for, that you wish to justify your profits?

    The internet amounts to one big LAN, divided into a bunch of fiefdoms with petty little corporate barons charging fees at every drawbridge and intersection. Take away all the troll bridges, and you end up with fees based on the overhead (hardware and human maintenance) for a given capacity, totally uncorrelated with actual throughput.

  14. Re:How would I deal with it? by Score+Whore · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's more HTML and Javascript on this page than there is actual content. Don't kid yourself that slashdot is some simple text based site.

  15. Bogus Bandwidth Crisis: Declared DOA by strangedays · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Most of the time bozo's manufacture crises, cos thats the only thing they can think of to get some leverage they want. Don't be fooled again!
    WMD and Terrorism so they can invade whatever country they want.
    Oil crises, so they can up the gas price whenever they want.
    Time crises by inventing silly deadlines, so they can feel in control of project scope.
    And now Bandwidth, so they can find a way to charge for the net.

    Next it will be cd plastic shortage crisis, so music goes up in price... Oh wait...

    They Lie and Lie... and then Lie some more. I call Bullshit.
    There's plenty of dark fibre around, it's dirt cheap to lay more, at least when you amortize it against its utility.

    This is just a pathetic attempt to astroturf someones corporate or political genda.
    I wouldn't piss on them, if they were on fire...

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  16. Re:We already live in a world (country) without... by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In Japan it was government mandated.

    Ding ding ding ding ding! We have a winner!
     
    The government needs to do the same thing they did with electricity to the internet. Mandate it. No company will ever want to distribute high speed access to everywhere in the nation. But it is something that is increasingly needed as an infrastructure for the future of the nation itself. Just like phone service and electricity before it, quality, reliable, high speed, low latency connection to the internet needs to be deployed across the nation by government mandate if need be.
     
    The businesses all cry foul the second a city or township tries to deploy their own public owned network for their citizens and suddenly finds the money to go running *cough* buying *cough* Congress or State legislation, money that never seems to be there to actually build their own networks, but sure enough it is available whenever/wherever some town tries this.
     
    I truly believe that internet access should be simply just another utility, like water, and electricity already.

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  17. Re:morning of 9-11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...it wasn't a good day for us.

    As I remember that day, it was a bad day for pretty much everybody.

  18. Ask someone who lives outside a city... by Snorbert+Xangox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...because by and large they already "live in a world without cheap and plentiful broadband internet access".

    Hell, half the time my house gets a decent thunderstorm we're likely to lose mains power for an hour or so.

    Not complaining, so much as pointing out that there are people out there who already do without BitTorrent, Google Video, YouTube, et cetera et cetera, but still find the Internet to be useful.

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