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Stem Cell Research Paper Recalled

MattSparkes writes "One of the best-known stem cell papers describes adult cells that seemed to hold the same promise as embryonic stem cells. Now some of the data contained within the paper is being questioned, after staff at a consumer science magazine noticed errors. It shows how even peer-reviewed papers can sometimes 'slip through the net' and get to publication with inaccurate data."

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  1. indeed. by President_Camacho · · Score: 5, Funny

    Stem Cell Research Paper Recalled

    Yes, I remember it quite vividly myself.

  2. Sounds familiar! by CyberGenesis · · Score: 5, Funny

    "It shows how even peer-reviewed papers can sometimes 'slip through the net' and get to publication with inaccurate data." Perhaps this is a phenomena Slashdot should take note of?

  3. No shit sherlock. by Watson+Ladd · · Score: 5, Informative

    Peer review isn't about the accuracy of the data. It's about how the data supports the conclusions and whether the paper is notable enough for the journal. Peer reviewers don't have the time and money to duplicate every experiment they review.

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    1. Re:No shit sherlock. by rumblin'rabbit · · Score: 2, Informative

      Amen to that. I've peer reviewed papers, and for most part you end up trusting the authors. It's not like the reviewer can rerun the experiments or inspect the raw data.

      Much of peer review involves checking the form, rather than the substance, of the paper. Does the paper follow proper protocal? Is it clearly written? Are the references complete and correct? Should it be shortened or added to?

      The substance of the paper also comes into it, of course, but the reviewer is very limited as to what he or she can do when it comes to checking the validity of the claims.

    2. Re:No shit sherlock. by imkonen · · Score: 2, Informative
      "Peer review isn't about the accuracy of the data. It's about how the data supports the conclusions and whether the paper is notable enough for the journal."

      You beat me to it. A lot of journals only use 1 or 2 reviewers. 3 is the most I've ever heard of. Reviewers are neither paid for their work nor given a lot of time to do it, so some really just phone it in. Even the more thorough ones: we're talking essentially 3 chances to find a mistake. I've rievewed papers and if I notice a mistake I'll certainly point it out even if it's just a grammar, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over the fact that I didn't manually overlay their graph with every other paper they've written to check for a mistake like the one mentioned in the article. That's the kind of mistake it takes 10000 pairs of eyes to catch.

      To put it in terms a typical slashdotter should understand, that would be like expecting a program to be completely bug free after 4 revisions. Of course part of the process is that after it's been published, it's expected that other scientists will look at the paper and catch things reviewers might have missed...kind of like the open source coding model.

  4. Peer review is self correcting by CapsaicinBoy · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is exactly how the system is *supposed* to work. Dr. Verfaillie publishes her team's findings, and others try to replicate it. If they can, the original finding is supported. If not, the failure to replicate usually leads to other insights. My old boss was usually more excited when an experiment failed than when it worked, because was what led to breakthroughs instead of mere confirmation.

    Yes, the process can take time, and god forbid you were the poor grad student that spend 3 years heading down a blind alley, but this episode just reaffirms that overall, the process works.

    1. Re:Peer review is self correcting by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not only that, but it also demonstrates the danger of pulling out a single paper as being the last word on a particular topic. Unless you are damn sure that lots of people have gone over it and done some in-depth verification on it, it's better to wait for confirmation than to take it at face value.

      This is how scientific consensus is important. In a "yup, I checked it, I got the same thing" way, not in a let's-vote-like-we're-voting-for-congress way.

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    2. Re:Peer review is self correcting by fermion · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Another point is that any paper should be extremely suspect until duplicated. For an average person, scientific papers are often misinterpreted as declaration for on high. The high level results are reported without any indication of process. For a scientist, the opposite seems true. These papers are read for the process, In fact I would wager that the ability for a person skilled in the craft to reproduce the process from the paper is likely a more important criteria than the "truth" of the conclusions.

      This difference in priorities is what causes such a disconnect between the science and non science communities, and in fact is one of the greatest challenges in teaching science. The public or the students wants to simply know "the answer", whereas the scientist is more concerned with how the answer was realized, and with which other problems such a process might help. it is also the argument between science and some fundamentalist religious folks. The later are say "god is the answer", the former is saying "science is the solution", neither necessarily talking about the same thing, but niether cognizant enough of the differences to intelligently diffuse the debate.

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  5. Sexy science, bad science by Ra+Zen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Stem cells are a hot topic, so people are willing to publish sloppy research or even fake date (remember Dr Hwang Woo-suk) just to get published fast and first. The same turns out to be true with other hot topics like flu research, where claims that the 1918 flu pandemic was of avian origin are severely overblown (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v440/n7088/f ull/nature04824.html; a free version is here: http://www.amherst.edu/~mhood/pubs.htm). Most scientifc research is solid, and most review processes work, but publications like Science and Nature often publish articles based on how sexy they are and can curtail the review process if they think the story will be a hit. Most other journals keep things steady and have very solid review proceedures.

  6. Re:Talk about stem cells... by bobscealy · · Score: 4, Informative

    RTFA. New Scientist noticed that 6 graphs were duplicated exactly across two paper that were describing different cells. They questioned the results, and a panel of experts reviewed the data. Nowhere does it say that New Scientist magazine got their hands on even a single stem cell.

  7. Of course by benhocking · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Anyone who's read a significant number of journal articles has spotted some huge errors that somehow got published. I know of one paper (not naming any names!) where in explaining how a calculation was done it had the line: 18-7=9. Clearly (from context) the line meant to say 17-8=9, but I found it humorous that such a fundamental error got past both the original authors proof-reading and the peer-review process. These things go back and forth a couple times, usually.

    Peer review isn't a perfect process. It just helps reduce the noise-to-signal ratio.

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    1. Re:Of course by malsdavis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Lots of journal articles have simplistic calculations here and there. The point of showing such calculations isn't to prove that the author is capable of performing 3rd grade maths, its so that the reader knows where number X came from. IMHO It is probably the most frustrating thing when papers / books / lecture notes just present numbers and presumes the reader realises where they were derived from.

  8. Data says whatever you want it to by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 3, Funny

    The true test of a PhD is how convincingly s/he can make the data, no matter what it is, say whatever s/he wants it to say.

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    1. Re:Data says whatever you want it to by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Funny

      The true test of a PhD is how convincingly s/he can put off makeing up the data, no matter what it is

            There, fixed it for you.

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    2. Re:Data says whatever you want it to by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 4, Funny
      The true test of a PhD is how convincingly s/he can put off making up the data, no matter what it is

      You have failed peer review.

    3. Re:Data says whatever you want it to by i+kan+reed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Holy crap, I never thought of it that way, but slashdot really does support a kind of peer review, and all the comments people make about it supporting "groupthink" and such can easily be extrapolated to scientific review.

      I'm not sure if that's a defence of slashdot's moderation/threading system, or if it's an attack on science as it stands today.

  9. Not quite. by Assassin+bug · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The title for this post is misleading. The paper has not been recalled. Some of the data are in despute and it reads as though there will be some corrections posted by Nature. But if you had read the paper to the end you would have noticed that Nature is still deciding on the paper. Oh, and might New Scientist have anything to gain by overhyping a technical error in a Nature paper... hmmm?

  10. Oblig. Futurama by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Funny

    Prof. Farnsworth: Is it true that stem cells may fight the aging process?
    Stem Cell Clinic Worker: Well, yes, in the same way that an infant may fight Muhammad Ali, but....
    Prof. Farnsworth: (slapping down $300 Tricky Dick Fun Bill) One pound of stem cells, please!
    (Prof. Farnsworth begins slathering the stem cells all over his face.)
    Stem Cell Clinic Worker: Of course, any age-reversing effects will be purely temporary--euuugh!

  11. Journals want to make make money by seriv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's kind of obvious, but popular science journals such as Nature (where this paper was published) and Science will publish what will sell issues. Its not always about the quality of the science. If a paper has shock value but has clear problems, these journals will publish it anyway in many cases. Peer review doesn't enter into the process as much as one would think when a topic is hot. It is just like crazy extremists who get all sorts of publicity for saying something outrageous.

  12. not just "sometimes" by SuperBanana · · Score: 2, Informative

    It shows how even peer-reviewed papers can sometimes 'slip through the net' and get to publication with inaccurate data."

    How about the misandry-filled assertations about how women use more words than men, have brains more "wired" for communication, etc? Turns out that everyone's been quoting each other and nobody can even stick to facts interview to interview.

    What's appalling is that the author, Dr. Brizendine, not only holds a top academic position, but also has a best selling book that is full of "facts" that are complete fabrications.

  13. Stem Cell Research Paper Recalled... by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...when it was learned that it contains small parts, not suitable for children under three.

    1. Re: Stem Cell Research Paper Recalled... by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...when it was learned that it contains small parts, not suitable for children under three.

      Given the political context that should read, "...when it was learned that it contains small parts of children under three."

  14. Re:Somebody should tell the king... by LordLucless · · Score: 2, Informative

    The whole "stem cell debate" thing makes me embarrassed to tell people that I'm American.

    See, people like you trolling a debate they know nothing about would make me ashamed to be an American (if I was one). Here's a hint: this story is talking about adult stem cells, which has no significance at all in regard to the current political/moral question of embryonic stem cells. They're two totally different things, obtained through totally different processes.

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  15. Nature != popular science journal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the word you were looking for is prestigious science journals. Nature and Science are the ultimate targets for many fields; a publication in either of these journals can drastically increase one's scientific reputation, which is everything in academia. Popular science denotes a magazine targeted to those not involved in the field, such as Scientific American. Science and Nature depend on their reputation as premier journals for revenue; the people who subscribe to Science and Nature do not do so because their articles contain shock value, but because their articles are thorough, novel, and relevant. When do you think the last time someone wandered past a Nature on the magazine stand and thought, "Wow, this article on the molecular markers of HSCs and their potential pluripotency shocks me; I have to buy it!" Do magazine stands even carry Nature?

    There is certainly a bias in both Nature and Science towards novel, groundbreaking research, along with an emphasis on sexy (nanotechnology and stem cells are very hot right now, so the threshold to publish these papers has dropped). This does not have anything to do with the quality of science in the papers that are published - I challenge you to find an article in either Nature or Science that has "clear problems" in the science presented.

    As someone mentioned previously, peer-review checks for a correlation between the conclusions and the data they are drawn from; it is not meant to verify results prior to publication. You, sir, are talking out of your ass.

  16. Re:Somebody should tell the king... by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My side is right cuz it's my side, and your side is wrong cuz it's not my side.

    Both sides are wrong. There, does that make you feel better? It isn't the sides that are the problem. It is that there are sides.

  17. Re:Somebody should tell the king... by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Funny

    Here's a hint: this story is talking about adult stem cells

          Come on - he SAID he was American. You expect him to have a clue?

          Oh I am burning Karma tonight, hehehe. Please, feed the trolls!

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  18. Re:Somebody should tell the king... by CapsaicinBoy · · Score: 4, Informative

    people like you trolling a debate they know nothing about would make me ashamed to be an American (if I was one). Here's a hint: this story is talking about adult stem cells, which has no significance at all in regard to the current political/moral question of embryonic stem cells.

    Actually, they are completely relevant to the moral/political question of embryonic stem cells, in so far as embryonic stem cell opponents have been using these adult stem cells to have their cake and eat it too.

    Specifically, they've been tying the hands of researchers due to their religious beliefs and then shielding themselves from criticism by claiming "oh, we don't need embryonic cells anyway, because adult stem cells are just as good." Here is one example.

  19. Supposed to, but often doesn't by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Informative

    For a very illuminating read on this whole business, have a look at "Fabulous Science" by John Waller. Even illustious organisations such as the Royal Society - set up for goal of providing peer review - have been conned or biased (political correctness, partiotism, religious beleifs...). Even Nobel prizes have been awarded for massaged experiments.

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  20. This is unexpected? by Rakishi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm a Stats major and professors enjoy once in a while talking about the bad stats they've seen in published papers. One such paper, in a journal that was a described as "if it publishes your paper you're nearly guaranteed tenure in the field," used statistical methods that were inherently flawed (it downright failed on simple examples).

    Another one published in a prestigious journal and with a few million in government backing found 100+ genes that were significantly linked to cancer. The statistics was the type that anyone who has taken even a couple courses could find flaws in. So someone redid the analysis and found ~8 such genes at best and possibly fewer. Due to the profile of this one the proper analysis is being done as a follow-up with the original researchers help (otherwise the flaws would have been much harder to identify).

    So yeah, published papers can and do have flaws but they usually they get caught after a while, the point of publishing in some ways. At the same time more researchers should release their data so it can be verified more accurately (this has its own problems as if too many people run too many methods on the same data there will be spurious results of one sort or another).

  21. Re: off topic but by mrbluze · · Score: 2, Funny

    I remember a great article in the British Medical Journal about a randomized, double-blinded crossover study using placebos, where the investigators tested the effectiveness of parachutes on statisticians. Needless to say it was a roaring success.

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