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Google Releases Paper on Disk Reliability
oski4410 writes "The Google engineers just published a paper on Failure Trends in a Large Disk Drive Population. Based on a study of 100,000 disk drives over 5 years they find some interesting stuff. To quote from the abstract: 'Our analysis identifies several parameters from the drive's self monitoring facility (SMART) that correlate highly with failures. Despite this high correlation, we conclude that models based on SMART parameters alone are unlikely to be useful for predicting individual drive failures. Surprisingly, we found that temperature and activity levels were much less correlated with drive failures than previously reported.'"
They stated at one point in the document that some brands did have higher failure rates than others - yet I somehow missed any mention or ranking of brands. Did anyone else find that data?
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I noticed this too. If a Google-sanctioned report had charts of which brands were more reliable, this would do serious damage to the brands that didn't perform so well. No wonder they sidestepped the whole issue!
More likely: "We buy millions of dollars worth of drives each year, and our buying decisions are driven in part by the reliability data that we collect. If we told everyone what kind of drives work best, more people would buy those drives, driving up the price that we pay."
Another translation: Our competitors buy millions of dollars worth of drives as well. We are not going to help them avoid the duff ones.
"...we do not show a breakdown of drives per manufacturer, model, or vintage due to the proprietary nature of these data."
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Litigation avoidance may be a consideration here but why not take Google at their word? Google is a search company that buys lots of hard drives. Based on their own internal research, they have developed information about which hard disk models and/or manufacturers are shite.
Yahoo is also a search company that buys lots of hard drives. Why should Google give that hard drive reliability information to you, me and Yahoo for free? Let Yahoo/Excite/MSN and the competitors figure it out for themselves.
Yeah, sure I'd like to have access to Google's data the next time I'm in the market for a hard drive but I won't hold a grudge against them if they don't do my consumer research for me. On the other hand, whereinafuck is the data from Tom's Hardware Guide, Anandtech, Consumer Reports and all the other reviewer and consumer sites? If someone doesn't have a handy link to their results, I'll see if I can google something up:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&clien
While at a glance, it may seem like this is simply "the latest thing google did," and... let's be honest, given the editor in question... this was most likely the reason it made the front page. But while Bianca Shroeder's report, for instance, uses statistics from various unnamed sources and for various unnamed uses, the Google report is interesting because we know exactly where it's coming from and what it's being used for.
Of course, a truly insightful story would have taken this opportunity to compare Google's findings with the others and report on that.
Don't think of it as a flame---it's more like an argument that does 3d6 fire damage
The chart implies that the "optimal" operating drive temperature is 35-45 Celsius. Drive temperatures below room temperature (below 22 Celsius) is probably not a scenario that drive manufacturers optimise for.
You really didn't read the article, did you? On page 3 (Section 2.2 Deployment Details), the authors state: "More than one hundred thousand disk drives were used for all the results presented here. The disks are a combination of serial and parallel ATA consumer-grade hard disk drives, ranging in speed from 5400 to 7200 rpm, and in size from 80 to 400 GB. All units were put into production in or after 2001. [...] The data used for this study were collected between December 2005 and August 2006."
What are you waiting for Google to tell you? Are you really accusing them of being evil because they did a study, described their methodology, detailed their results, presented their analyses, and published it all for anyone who is interested?
You describe their conclusions as:
But there is no contradiction at all if you are smart enough to understand. They are telling you that if SMART identifies a problem with a drive then it is very likely that drive will fail within 60 days. But in a sample of 100,000 drives, many drives will also fail that have not returned errors on SMART scans. Thus SMART is a reliable indicator of impending failure but is not a silver bullet that can recognize and predict all failures before they happen.
Next time you have access to 100,000 hard drives, can analyze patterns of failure among them, can use those failures as a benchmark against which to measure analysis tools, and can come up with better recommendations for predicting failure than this study, then by all means let us know. But if you're looking for Microsoft or Western Digital or Seagate or Yahoo to perform and publish this kind of study for free, I think you may be waiting a good long while.
perhaps there is some correlation between lower temperature and higher forces, ie. a drive that starts and stops frequently may have a lower temperature, but would undergo more acceleration and stress
Another translation:
We're not so bloody stupid to believe that our competitors are standing in the aisle of Circuit City and scratching their head over whether to buy a Seagate or WD drive.
We know that our competitors all have their own metrics and their own relationships with manufacturers and frankly, we don't care. We know our competitors also measure these things, and we're not telling them anything they don't already know.
We aren't particularly worried about saying that some drives fail, because everyone who cares already knows that some drives fail. Everyone whose job it is to know which drives fail first already knows that as well.
But we're not going to tell you which brand fails at a higher rate than normal because we don't need a lawsuit that would cost us a lot of money but in the end would only confirm what the people who need to know these things already know.
We will, on the other hand, describe the tests we ran, our methodology, our results, and our analyses. We do this just for kicks and we hope you can learn something from the results.
And we hope you have a nice day.
If hard drives are anything like car engines [especially those made with iron and aluminum], the designers have taken the standard operating temperature into account in the design. The parts of varying composition fit together best at the right temperature, and temperatures higher or lower result in damage or accelerated wear.
This is why, if you want your engine to last, you should let your car warm up before driving it hard.
Yes, the low temperature finding is most interesting. I have an hypothesis as to what might be going on. I suspect that absolute temperatures, within certain limits, are not important to drive reliability, but that temperature variation is. Drives that, because of their location and pattern of use, tend to fluctuate in temperature between, say, 20 and 35 degrees centigrade are being stressed more than those an a steady 40 degrees.
Makes sense. Killing the weaker infants makes the adult population healthier.
The paper claims "more than 100 thousand drives". But the nice thing is that you can derive the actual number from the error bars, for example those in figure 4. The data should be governed by Poisson statistics, which means that the standard deviation in the counts is equal to the square root of the count. However, their error bars seem to be about a factor 2 larger than the standard deviation, because normally around 68% of the data points should lie within one standard deviation from the "smooth curve". Let's assume the error bars are 95% confidence intervals, i.e. 2 standard deviations.
Look at the data for 20 to 21 C. It tells you that it represents a fraction 0.0135 of their total drive population, with an average failure rate of 7 +- 0.5 %. Following the reasoning above, this 7% should represent 784+-28 drives. Since these represent 7% of 1.35% of the total number of drives, we can derive that the total number of drives is 784/0.07/0.0135 = 830,000 drives. Trying the same thing for 30 to 31 C gives 826,000 drives, which seems fairly consistent.
So can we assume that Google has deployed 830,000 hard disk drives since 2001? How many servers do they have now?
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Being able to choose freely to not say something is freedom of speech.
The right to stay silent on something is just as important a freedom as the right to have your say.
Censorship has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
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Google Labs, yet in its youth, certainly resembles me of the golden yers of the Bell Labs.
Demand and price in a free market are reversely proprotional.
One way to spot someone who doesn't really understand economics is how quickly they make statements like that. You would need to know a lot more about the thing in question before being able to make a generalization like that. Sometimes, they're directly proportional, sometimes, they're reversely proportional, and sometimes they're neither. It depends on a lot of other things which relationship hold true, if any.
It could probably have been better stated, "demand and price in a free market are reversely proportional, in the long term assuming that there are no barriers to entry" and bearing in mind it'd cost a few bn dollars to setup an enterprise harddisc company then it doesn't really apply here.
And realistically even if google did say "Hitachi disks are 10x times more reliable than everyone elses", who apart from a few thousand geeks would even know to be able to make buying decisions based upon it ?
Alex
To me it's useful - if I get a SMART warning, then I'm definitely backing up my drive and will replace it before it croaks.
Sensitivity/specificity always presents a balancing act of testing, and they are usually in a push/pull relationship. If you make a test too sensitive, then you get too many false positives, and wind up over treating something (i.e. the test says it might fail so you replace the drive even though it's not going to - a false alert)
If you make the test too specific, then usually you wind up decreasing it's sensitivity, or ability to detect something. Now you get false negatives, so when the test works, you can be sure that it's accurate, but it always doesn't detect the problem.
What you want to know is the Positive Predictive Value PPV, which is determnined by the formula PPV=TP/(TP+FP). TP= true positives, FP = false positives
Also useful is the Negative Predictive Value NPV, or this formula NPV=TN/(FN+TN) where TN = true negative, FN = false negative.
What information these give are as such. If a test is positive (i.e. the drive temperature is >80 C), then it accurately will predict that the drive will fail. If the test is negative (drive temp 40 C0 then it accurately predicts that the drive is ok.
..........FULL STOP.
In summary: Your statistical analysis on a sample size of one showed a 100% failure rate, so Samsung are crap. You found some other people also had failed Samsung drives, so Samsung are crap.
Search the net and you will find people ranting about Seagate drives failures, Western Digital drive failures, IBM drive failures, Maxtor drives failures and failures of drives made by companies neither of us have even heard of. You won't find many, if any, reports of recent failures with 8" floppy drives though, so I suggest you use one of those. They must be more reliable, right?
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The research results are VERY poorly communicated, as research results often are.
This seems to be the most relevant sentence: "What stands out are the 3 and 4- year old drives, where the trend for higher failures with higher temperature is much more constant and also more pronounced." (Page 5, Section 3.4, 4th paragraph)
Often poor communication in research pages is intended to hide the fact that the results are not very useful. The above sentence can be translated to: "If you run hard drives hot, after 3 or 4 years you will have a high failure rate."
All of our drives have their own vibration-isolated fans. Google, I recommend you do that too, based on your research results.
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Here's a quote from the Google paper: "Power-on hours -- Although we do not dispute that power-on hours might have an effect on drive lifetime, it happens that in our deployment the age of the drive is an excellent approximation for that parameter, given that our drives remain powered on for most of their life time." (Page 10, 4th paragraph)
Translation: The number of hours the drives are powered is the same as the age of the drives, since the drives are always powered.
When two numbers are close to equal, they are approximations for each other. LOL. Is there a social breakdown at Google? Are the people who don't like to think taking power at Google?