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No More GameCube, Wii 2.0 On the Far Horizon

The little purple machine that could is no longer being manufactured. Hardware revisions are in store for the Nintendo Wii eventually. These announcements aren't terribly shocking, but they're still interesting admissions from Perin Kaplan, Vice President of Marketing & Corporate Affairs for Nintendo of America. GameDaily has the interview, which also discusses Wii sales, the lull in games, new IPs, and some details on plans online. Don't worry, you won't have to buy a new Wii anytime soon. Kaplan is immediately talking about the planned Japanese version with DVD Playback capability, but does say 'Sure, absolutely' to the question of whether we'll eventually see hardware changes on the order of the DS/DS Lite.

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  1. Wii 2.0 will need a new name by Gerocrack · · Score: 5, Funny

    How about "Vagoo"?

    1. Re:Wii 2.0 will need a new name by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Wiiwoaded"?

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    2. Re:Wii 2.0 will need a new name by kahanamoku · · Score: 5, Funny

      Being that doing wii in a toilet is considered as "number 1's" when speaking to children... I'd suggest that to increment to "number 2's" they should call it the Nintendo Pü

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  2. Wait a minute... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I would be happy if the Wii was available in the stores.

  3. Where's My Zapper??!!! by ObiWanStevobi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm anxiously waiting for my Wii Zapper. I think that will bring a whole new level of fun to muliplayer shooters. Before worrying about Wii 2.0, they need to get the zapper out and relase a new bond title for the Wii.

  4. Wii-tf by JoshJ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    New hardware? Gah. The abominable hardware upgrade tactics they used on the game boy (2-3 versions of each!) really shouldn't be taken to the console market.

    1. Re:Wii-tf by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      New hardware? Gah. The abominable hardware upgrade tactics they used on the game boy (2-3 versions of each!) really shouldn't be taken to the console market.

      What tactics? They brought out hardware, saw what people liked and what they didn't like, and brought out new software. This continued over time. GB was a winner, but they eventually made it smaller, and we got pocket. 100% compatibility. GB Color had a flat design so GBA got one. Both units have incredible back-compatibility. People bitched about the screen being exposed, so they made a flip unit. Then they made the DS, it was still flip. Then later they did a shrink of the DS and we got a DS Lite. And still, backwards compatible.

      In other words, what we got was a sort of hardware version of release early, release often. And at no time did anyone from Nintendo come to your head and hold a gun to your head and force you to buy it, nor did they ever invalidate your software library. The game I play most often on my GBA SP is Tetris... the cart that I used to stick into my original paperback-book-sized Game Boy.

      Who cares if they bring out new consoles with new functionality? No one made you buy a Wii. I still don't have one - of course, many people have trouble just finding them, but I haven't actually even tried because I like to wait and see what games are coming out before I buy anything and there's not a lot available right now.

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    2. Re:Wii-tf by Umbrel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are pissed because they improve the hardware every 2 years instead of say 5? >_>

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    3. Re:Wii-tf by DesertBlade · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think people are getting screwed with a minor update every 2 years. I had a Game Boy advance and a first edition of the DS (still) and I have no need to upgrade either of them. As long as I don't need to upgrade and most of the revisions are minor so what.

      Now if they release an updated platform every 3-6 months then it is a different story

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    4. Re:Wii-tf by Soygen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you always waited for the best version of everything, you would never own anything. That's the price of early adoption.

    5. Re:Wii-tf by trdrstv · · Score: 2, Funny
      People who got a GB Advance had no idea Nintendo would release a version that not only was rechargeable but had a light in less than two years. DS, late 2004. People had no idea that they would make a version with better brightness in early 2006.

      So basically, people are getting screwed over because Nintendo releases a better version in less than 2 years, and they have no way to anticipate it.

      Thank GOD I read this post. Otherwise I would have been completely off guard with no means of anticipating any further hardware revisions despite (as you said) they have a habit of releasing new hardware in less than 2 years. I wonder when the next one will hit?

    6. Re:Wii-tf by Skreems · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Basically it sounds like you're angry that you aren't selective enough about what you're willing to pay money for, and it has nothing to do with Nintendo.

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    7. Re:Wii-tf by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Informative

      They could at least have had the decency to say "we're considering changing the wii hardware" ahead of time so people could make an informed decision rather than get pwned after spending approx $400 on the system, controllers, and games.

      If they do that, then less people buy the system up front, the developers defect to other platforms, and the platform fails.

      They are treating consumers the way they want to be treated. Consumers demonstrate the way they want to be treated by spending money (or failing to) in response to stimulus.

      In particular the Dreamcast debacle really proves that words can kill. Of course, those words didn't harm Sony, even though they were provably fraudulent and uttered by a Sony Exec.

      The simple fact is that revisions are the norm, not the exception. There's three versions of Atari 2600 (VCS, 2600, 2600 revision 2, the slim one) that I recall. There's two NESes. There's two SNESes. There's two Genesis systems, and even two Sega CD addons. Two Playstations. Two PS2s. Two fucking colecovision systems. Two TurboGrafx16 systems, not counting TurboXpress, and two different TurboCD addons. Really, anyone who doesn't expect a system to be redesigned should have their head examined.

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    8. Re:Wii-tf by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm a bit pissed that I had no way of knowing Nintendo would release a better Wii in a couple years instead of the usual 5 or so for consoles, and not only that, we're not even being told what new features it's going to have.

      Um, are you completely ignoring that the usual 5 years between consoles is for completely new consoles, like PS1 -> PS2 or N64 -> Gamecube, right? DS -> DS Lite is nothing like that, because it's the same platform. Any game that plays on the DS Lite also plays on the DS just as well. Games are no different for the GBA SP than the GBA.

      The only thing in your list that is even comparable to a new console release is the Game Boy Color, because games were written differently to take advantage of it. Of course people were complaining that the gameboy platform hadn't changed in about a decade, and it's true it was overdue for some change. A lot of people welcomed it, but apparently some people don't like progress.

      I mean each of these minor revisions fixed problems with the previous one. Why is that "screwing" you, again? Because Nintendo should have had the better screens and the smaller form-factors to begin with? As if they strategically held back these advances to "force" you to upgrade again... In reality, they did it because at the time they launched the consoles, that was what they could afford to have. Releasing the "better" version of the console two years earlier would have meant that it cost much more, and then I'm certain you would be bitching about that.

      Actually, that's a good question... Do you bitch about price drops in consoles, because you got "screwed over" when they didn't tell you in advance that they'd be dropping the price on such and such day by such and such amount? Or do you instead take the approach that the console was worth what you paid for it when you got it? In which case, why is that not true with your DS/GBA/Wii? Your console didn't get worse when the newer version came out.

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    9. Re:Wii-tf by Splunge · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dude, have you ever bought a computer?

      It's not hard to figure out that if you wait 6 months, you can get a better computer at the same price from Dell/Apple/HP. People don't go whining nearly as much about that and computers can cost up to $3,000.

      Meanwhile, you're slagging Nintendo for upgrading their $200 or less hardware every 2 years?

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    10. Re:Wii-tf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Probably within two years. Glad I could help.

  5. DVD Playback + Wii 2.0 by ernest.cunningham · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have read elsewhere rumblings that the complete hardware setup in the Wii is ready to support DVD playback but Nintendo are waiting on software from a third party that is being developed to enable such a feature. Muck like the Wii browser being developed by Opera. I think this is more rumor than fact at this stage.

    I am sure any Wii 2.0 will be much like the Playstation2/Plastation 2 Slim, or the Playstation/PS One type of upgrade. You know, CPU and GPU manufactured with a 60nm of 45nm technolgy resulting in lower power consumption and lower heat dissipation resulting in smaller headt sinks etc. I doubt the feature spec will be much, if at all different.

    1. Re:DVD Playback + Wii 2.0 by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have read elsewhere rumblings that the complete hardware setup in the Wii is ready to support DVD playback but Nintendo are waiting on software from a third party that is being developed to enable such a feature.

      The drive is basically a DVD drive with custom firmware that reads disks encoded at Constant Angular Velocity rather than Constant Linear Velocity. (Basically, the disc always spins at the same speed in the Wii/Gamecube while regular DVDs slow down as the laser approaches the edge of the disc.) A simple firmware update would probably "fix" the drive to be able to read both types of discs. Unfortunately, drives that aren't rated for movie use are more likely to burn out early. (Something that happened to a lot of PS2s.) So Nintendo will probably release a different console with a sturdier drive. Something for which they'll pass the cost along to the consumer.
    2. Re:DVD Playback + Wii 2.0 by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      From what I've heard the rumours about the disc spinning constantly or backwards compared to normal drives were myths from the GameCube discs, which turned out to be regular DVDs with a slightly different encoder or something.

      The backwards spin *is* a myth. However, the Constant Angular Velocity is the encoding of which you're thinking about. When you write a disc with CAV, the data spaces out differently than the more tightly packed CLV technology. However, it's easier on the motor because the motor doesn't have to step up and down speeds so much.

      Here's *a* source: http://www.emulanium.com/gamecube.php
      Another: http://www.wiili.org/index.php/GameCube_Optical_Di sc
      Tons More: http://www.google.com/search?q=Gamecube+Constant+A ngular+Velocity
  6. Re:nice by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Maybe they'll include HDMI output

    I don't think they need a new hardware revision for that. The Wii (like the early Gamecubes) uses a custom cable connector. That connector sends the data in its own format that can then be translated into Composite or Component. (Depending on which "cables" you use.) I imagine that an HDMI "cable" for the existing hardware is not out of the question. Just not very useful at the moment.
  7. Re:Fine Line For Nintendo by timster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the Wii lineup reminds you of the DS launch lineup, then you are looking at the DS launch through the cloud of nostalgia. There was absolutely nothing to play except for a barely playable port of Mario 64. I thought I had wasted my money for over a YEAR.

    The Wii launch lineup is far better than the DS, or the PS2 for that matter... anyone who disagrees can have my copy of Fantavision.

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  8. Ad-whoring jerkfaces... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    GameDaily BIZ: The Wii did quite well this holiday season. At last count Nintendo sold over 3.19 million units worldwide. Did you expect to sell that many or did that level of success surprise you a bit?

    Perrin Kaplan: We actually projected really strong numbers like that before our launch, because any public company needs to do that... But again it was a really high risk to bring out something that innovative and different and we are really kind of in awe that consumers are so high on the product. I mean we had hoped for it, but when you do something that different you never really know how people are going to react, and the fact that everybody--teens, dads, moms, cousins, young kids--everybody is totally into it, and then the DS is selling extremely well... we're kind of in awe of all of it. It's a great, great thing and I think it means a lot of good things for the whole industry.

    BIZ: That was actually something that Doug Lowenstein talked about earlier today in his speech. He said that the industry needs to take more risks, and shouldn't rely on the same type of content over and over. And he specifically mentioned the Wii and Will Wright's Spore...

    PK: Well, consumers are really savvy. They've been enjoying [what the games industry offers] for a long time, but I don't think [purchase patterns] reflected a healthier appetite. Buying games has been sort of staying level, but I don't think people were feeling inspired. In fact, some of the core gamers were like, "I thought I was getting bored and I wasn't sure, and now I realize I was totally getting bored. And I now I feel reinvigorated." And those who've left gaming, we need them to come back in order for the industry to grow, and then those who've never played, we really want them to enter the fold because it's very fun. So yeah, we've got to get risky and get out there, and obviously sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

    BIZ: Nintendo built up a lot of momentum over the holiday season, but what's the plan to keep that momentum alive and well? Inevitably there's going to be a lull, so how do you keep the buzz around the Wii and people buying it?

    PK: Well, there's various buzz now. If you look on the Internet, there's everything from how to hold your own Wii party to how to do a Mii parade to change Mii codes to how to lose weight... all these different branches that have come off this tree. So the momentum has not slowed down. Conan O'Brien and Serena Williams were just playing Wii Sports tennis on TV the other night; that's the kind of stuff you thought would only happen during launch and it's still fast and furious. There's a lot, a lot of talk about it. You have to remember that even though you played the Wii many months ago, it's still new to a lot of people; there's a lot of "eurekas" to be had by a lot of consumers. So for us I think it's just about continuing to get the product out there, letting people have a chance to touch and feel it themselves and play it, because hearing about it is one thing; seeing someone play it is another exciting thing; and the third thing is if you play it yourself, for the most part, 99% of the time, people are like "I love this!"

    BIZ: How much credit would you give Nintendo's marketing team for this early success? You've had some unique marketing where you took the Wii to an AARP convention, advertised with Oprah...

    PK: Yeah, a lot of that actually started with the DS with Brain Age and Nintendogs and our efforts to try to take those products and populate it into different kinds of audiences. You know, the AARP thing was a little bit tough at first. They were like, "We don't really want to talk to you because we're all grandparents and we already buy stuff for our kids," and so we said, "No we want to talk to you about you." It took several attempts for them to finally say, "So why do you want to talk to us?" And it's because we have products for them as well now; so it really started with the DS and has continued on with the Wii. But I will say, at the end of th

  9. Consoles over, but not the games by RyoShin · · Score: 4, Informative

    I DRTFA, but I just wanted to note that just because the Gamecube is no longer being produced does not mean that there will be no more Gamecube games, thanks to the backwards compatibility on the Wii.

    Only last year was the last Dreamcast game released (in Japan), and the system has been out of production for at least four years. Every once in a while a PS1 game is still released, because it can work on the PS2. Since the Gamecube will be cheaper to produce for than the Wii, and there's a fairly good chance that many of the consumers will have the 'Cube controllers or easily get them.

    The PS3 will also see a lot of this with PS2 games, especially with the massive increase of PS3 production costs.

    Gamecube controllers will probably also see continued production by third parties, seeing as how they can be used with VC games and are generally cheaper than the Classic controller.

    It does look like Nintendo is ditching the Gamecube internally, though.

    1. Re:Consoles over, but not the games by nuzak · · Score: 2, Funny

      > Only last year was the last Dreamcast game released

      I heard it received rave reviews from both Dreamcast owners.

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  10. Re: Beating Animal Crossing... by trdrstv · · Score: 4, Funny
    I myself am waiting for Animal Crossing Thwii because I beat the GameCube version yesterday.

    How do you "beat" Animal Crossing?

    You build the biggest house possible, buy at least 1 of every item including all NES games, and owe nothing. At that point the only thing Tom Nook can sell you is time with his wife effectively making Tom your bitch for a change.