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The Assassination of Wi-Fi

justelite writes "John C. Dvorak from PC Magazine has up an article looking at the new strategy of American cell-phone-service companies. From article: 'There is mounting evidence that the cellular service companies are going to do whatever they can to kill Wi-Fi. After all, it is a huge long-term threat to them. We've seen that the route to success in America today is via public gullibility and general ignorance. And these cell-phone-service companies are no dummies.'"

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  1. How appropriate... by sconeu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I got "Nothing to see here. Move along".

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    1. Re:How appropriate... by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I got "Nothing to see here. Move along". Offtopic?

      Sounds about fair. Summary makes the article sound interesting. In reality, it says that WiFi is going to kick the mobile phone networks' asses in the near future, they might not like this, and it suggests vaguely that they might buy some politicians and run some misleading ads. That's it; there's no revealing of any great conspiracy or anything.
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    2. Re:How appropriate... by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I only wish Dvorak were right... it would mean WiFi is a viable threat to cellphone companies. I hate US cell service to the point that I don't have a cellphone. They seem diametrically opposed to the very idea of the Internet - provide a data link and the applications will follow. For some reason people who would never think of paying per email happily pay per SMS (which is email), and pay several dollars for a ringtone. And since cellphones are so useful and therefore profitable, the current companies and their crappy policies will never get out of the way for better ones.

    3. Re:How appropriate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dvorak is more of the lay-man informer than the god of all things technical.

      He's doing something for people, informing them, but he's just not doing anything for us - the nerds. So, this post really doesn't fit on slashdot. Since it isn't for nerds and it doesn't matter.

      Just my two cents.

  2. Next week: by Angostura · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... how the purveyors of bottled water would like to see kitchen sinks banned.

  3. But... it's Dvorak by IceCreamGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If pretty much anyone else said this, I might take it seriously, however, it's coming from John C. Dvorak.

    1. Re:But... it's Dvorak by 1point618 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He himself admitted to using "dubious facts" in trying to prove his case... which is why I've tagged this article with "dubiousfacts" and read the rest of it after he said that with a grain of salt. He made huge generalizations about how people see the internet that I've never seen, and he himself is confusing the difference between the web and the internet.

    2. Re:But... it's Dvorak by Ontology42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well;

      1. It's poorly written

      2. PC Magazine does not hold any status for me, hence the kilo of salt is still burning in my belly.

      Now, let's take a look at the general populace, and wifi as a whole. Cellular cards have to be bought and paid for over and above the laptop. Pretty much any laptop out today has an 802.11a/b/g chipset built into it and all versions of microsoft windows, be it XP or Vista will ask you if you want to "connect" to a public wireless network. so much so that it's considered a security risk by most companies.

      Enter 3.5G and 4G. I'm no pundit but i've been in this industry long enough to see a failing standard a mile out, yes cell networks are liscenced, expensive and slow when compared with 802.11. Bell in Canada is rolling out 802.11 AP's on thier public phones. The cost of licensing the bands for 3.5G and 4G from the FCC and the CRTC in put the implementation of these networks into the billions. Where as a good metropolitan wifi implemenation will cost you back a few million.

      It's called pervasive availability, and John needs to understand that people may be "STUPD" on a whole but he really should take his head out of his behind. if you have 3000+ laptops at any given moment and somones standing in a public area using it and they do not have a cellular card because they are "STUPID" they will proabaly notice the whole "Wifi" notice in XP when they sit in a coffee shop and start writeing, or when they are in a park outside.

      EV-DO, EDGE and all those other toys require pre-requisite knoledge, ie: the client has to go out and become aware of these technologies before they can use them, they only compete where you have somone that flys a LOT.

      My opinion shouldn't count as I am known to play with all the wireless networks I can find, and given the opportunity I'll use the 802.11. I guess i'm not stupid.

  4. This is an ancient business model... by agntvbb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...Like GM killing the municipal trolley systems of the 50s. The idea that business can provide a "more efficient" delivery of some product is often total and complete BS.

    1. Re:This is an ancient business model... by feepness · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...Like GM killing the municipal trolley systems of the 50s. The idea that business can provide a "more efficient" delivery of some product is often total and complete BS.

      You're right. Government has too much power available for business to come in and take advantage of.

  5. Re:People get what they deserve by Brandybuck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Municpal governments don't provide food, yet the grocery stores are full. They don't provide clothing, yet I'm wearing a shirt. And unless you're homeless and it's a cold night, they don't provide shelter. Yet here I am with a roof over my head. Food, clothing and shelter are FAR more necessary to my well being than wifi, yet the market manages to provide those necessities to me without the help of municipal government.

    For some classes of products, such as sewers and drinkable water, it may make sense to put your local conniving pocket-lining councilman in charge. But I'm far from convinced that wifi falls under that category.

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  6. Alrighty... by feepness · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We've seen that the route to success in America today is via public gullibility and general ignorance.

    How do we mark the summary as a troll?

    I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but come on.

  7. Re:WiFi is not a threat to cellular networks by gomiam · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Parental warning: sarcasm ahead.

    The range is ridiculous or requires big antennas,...

    Range? Do you really think there's no cell tower at less than 100m from you? In San Francisco? Let me doubt it. Never mind these pesky new protocols (WiMax, for example, even if it's a braindead specification) who allow you to connect from kilometres away. On the antenna subject, a bigger antenna doesn't equal better reception.

    ...there is no handover mechanism that keeps connections...

    ...which must explain why I can keep my connections at the Faculty I work at while I walk about checking computers. Yeah, it must be a bitch having no handover there. Not to mention that IPv6 supports roaming, too.

    ...the total alotted bandwidth is a joke...

    ...compared to the humongous bandwidth (2Mbps for stationary systems, wow!) you get with 3G (well, you may get 3Mbps or a bit better with 3.5G).

    ... and in a band which is used by many other applications, including TV transmitters which use the whole available band.

    Transmitters that, as we all know, cover every WiFi signal in... ten meters around, since they are usually inside houses?

    It's a completely different product.

    Which explains why 3G works on top of IPv6. Yeah, it must be a completely different product: it provides the same service, uses the same technology. The only difference is the frequency range: 3G works on the 5GHz band (which requires almost line of sight to work, so there goes your complaint about range).

    Next time, please document yourself beforehand. It doesn't matter your being moderated Insightful when your post if actually off base.

  8. Wow: harsh by EMB+Numbers · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When you say "if they're too dumb to ask for it, they're too dumb to deserve it. Same goes for sewers and drinkable water" I have very mixed feelings.

    Most western Europeans didn't ask for sewers and drinkable water; they had them foisted upon them at tax payer expense in the mid 19th century. That is certainly true of the first modern large scale sewer system which was built in London. "The transcript traces more than 250 years of human misery, due largely to ignorance of the hazards of poor sanitation. Citizens, physicians, politicians, inventors and police provided vivid horror stories of 'miasmas, plagues and sudden death" in the homes of London.'" http://swopnet.com/engr/londonsewers/londontext1.h tml

    Ignorance is deadly but curable. Ignorance about the importance of sewers and drinkable water may seem inconceivable to many of us, but such ignorance in rampant around the world.

    When I watch documentaries about poor ghettos in latin America, inevitably there are toddlers playing in open cesspools and teenagers standing around unemployed, uneducated, and idle. I see that and wonder why the teenagers aren't put to work digging sewers or at least keeping toddlers out of them. For the price of the cigarettes the teenagers smoke, children could be fed and sewers built and clean water supplies maintained. I always think to myself that people who prioritize cigarettes over sewers get what they deserve just like people generally get the government they deserve.

    But then I am more charitable and assume that people live in horrid conditions because of ignorance. Ignorance causes poverty and death.

    There was a documentary (I think on 20/20) about hunger in the U.S.A. A father was being interviewed and he explained that toward the end of the month, there is no bread left and the children have to go hungry for days. During the interview, the father was standing in front of his satellite dish and smoking. For the price of one pack of cigarettes, the children could have eaten basic stables like bread, potatoes, and canned vegetables for several days. For the price of the satellite dish and its likely monthly subscription, the children could have been clothed and fed.

    I couldn't help thinking that the father's priorities were a little skewed and sad.

  9. I remember well... by djupedal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...same as when they killed CB radio. My response then is the same now - 300 watts of cold steel Palomar SSB amplifier.

  10. Other direction is also true. by toygar.ozturk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    4 years ago, my professor for personal mobile communications class said wi-fi and cellular complements each other. It was his first year at school after 5-6 years of experience in one of the biggest cellular (hardware) companies. Later, he corrected himself by saying both sides are trying to kill each-other: cellular is trying to provide higher data rates (and hence WCDMA etc.) and wi-fi is trying to incorporate mobility and hand-off which are essential for voice communications (and hence WiMAX, IEEE 802.20 etc.). I believe at some point both will merge if the IP rights issues could be solved.

    Competition is always good for both end user and for engineers (and engineers to be like myself).

  11. Re:Cellular Carriers = Mainframes of Wireless by drmerope · · Score: 4, Insightful
    complicated pricing.

    Bingo. The real problem with cell-phone data service is the ridiculous pricing regime. 10 cents for a 160 character text message? Get real. Lets suppose for a moment that audio consumes 10kbps and its latency sensitive. One minute retails for 30 cents... 10k*60/8b... you get the picture. Data rates are out of this world, disconnected from reality. That's the real story.

  12. Re:Security. by Stewie241 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Although there's the problem for bandwidth (think baud) of being inversely proportional to frequency (the lower the freqency the longer the range but the less Mbytes/second you get), there are some techniques to overcome this and which the cell phone companies themselves use.

    This doesn't make sense. If bandwidth was inversely proportional to frequency, then the lower the frequency the more MBytes/sec you would get. But bandwidth and frequency are actually two separate issues. The frequency refers to the carrier frequency. In case of 802.11, it is 2.4GHz or 5.8Ghz. Cell phones here in Canada use 800 and 1900 MHz (I think). But these numbers have nothing to do with bandwidth. The bandwidth is determined by how wide the channel is that is centred around that frequency. Take FM Radio for example. Stations are set 200 KHz apart, so you have say 98.3MHz, 98.5Mhz, etc... That means that each station has 200 KHz of bandwidth. Bandwidth does not vary with carrier frequency.

    If I had the 800MHz frequency and 20MHz of bandwidth, that would mean that I would actually be using the frequencies from 790MHz to 810MHz.