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Bill Gates Speaks Out Against Immigration Policies
Jeian writes "None other than Bill Gates has spoken out against tighter immigration policies in the US. According to Gates, the US is losing skilled immigrants to other countries that are easier to immigrate to. Among his comments: "I personally witness the ill effects of these policies on an almost daily basis at Microsoft.""
Apparently he thinks people from America aren't as smart as people in other countries.
The mis-conception is understanable. Smart people in the US don't need Microsoft to get a foot in the US door, where as immigrants need anything they can take to get out of there plague ridden countries.
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The problem isn't the job market, it's the CS programs. CS is not a programming degree, and even if it were, a BS degree isn't worth much more than the paper it's printed on.
Skilled programmers that are smart skip college. You'll have 4 years of experience while your friends have a worthless piece of paper, 4 years of lost income, and a $40,000 hole in their wallets.
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Why...why...that's the most un-American post I've ever seen!! You sound like one of 'em stinkin' socialists. But seriously, America has always been about (1) capitalism and (2) good business. What you suggest is quite the opposite -- it would be bad for business and is anything but capitalism. You're talking protectionism, which goes against the American ideal of "best price/quality ratio wins". Perhaps a lot of outsourced work is crap, but a lot of it isn't, and if it was ALL crap, well then business wouldn't exist anymore would it?
Quite the opposite- you just need to look at WalMart and what it's done to the American Manufacturing industry. Just about EVERYTHING WalMart imports from China is crap that will need replacing 3 times a year today- and they did it by forcing American companies to such a low price point that they had to close the factories here and outsource.
Just look at Vista and you'll see that Microsoft's overreliance on H1b labor and outsourcing has done the same thing to software.
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How about we just stop allowing anchor babies - have a child in the US? At least one parent must be a citizen or else he's not a US citizen. Since most of those people are Mexican, I looked it up - if your parents are Mexican, so are you. Dunoo about Honduras.
"We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
I am not disagreing with you, but you do realize you saying pretty much the exact same thing as you think Bill Gates did.
IE that he was a priviliged kid, and that him and his family are better than those below him, and his status needs legal protection. I read your statment to say the same thing. That you and your family were born in this country, and theirfore you and your family deserve preference over anyone who didn't. It is very easy to extend that one step further and say that non-americans are not as Human as americans ( I know that wasn't even close to what you meant. )
I realize you said "Illegal", but since this story is about allowing immigration in general, I have to believe you don't care about the "Illegal" portion, just in the portion that you job was more important than jobs for those not born into your class, and theirfore you need protection.
Personally I believe a strong immigration policy is very important, not because I think I need protection, or even my children's (ok I currently have none) jobs need protection. But because the evil thing is the coruption in the Mexican government, and we need something to encourage the citizens to clean house. If you make it too easy to find a new home, they will have no incentive to clean up their old house. Lets face it a strong Mexican production is more of a threat to our (relatively) high income farming/manufacturing/mining jobs in the US, than the workers themselves coming to the US.
Recent events make it clear for me anyway, that leaving incentive to clean their own house should be much more efficient than going in every few years and cleaning their house for them, and shaking a finger on your way out saying we worked real hard, this was hard work, so keep the place up to our standards when we leave.
I have worked at Microsoft for 3 years as an H1-B holder and I can tell you that this has nothing to do with money at all. Microsoft has to hire at market rates and has posted my base salary of $145,000/yr in our mail room for everyone to see for 60 days. This is the rule of law. We have lots of opening and we are hiring americans and not as fast as we can. Gates is asking for people like me to be able to stay, contribute our 2 bits to the american economy, pay taxes and create jobs. I'm not sure why you find this controversial at all.
For every potential Microsoft employee they lose through immigration, they also avoid 600+ crazed crackhead niggers with handguns. A fair trade.
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I'm actually surprised that you have to ask, even though you are an American. I thought you people were supposed to believe that "All men are born equal under God". Maybe it's all like "All upper-class white American males are equal, above all others". Or what? What are you trying to say? That people who can't immediately contribute to profit making are dirt and don't deserve a fair go? What I wish on you is that you get to experience life on the 'other side'. It's only fair
What, like boogey men? I just don't see the situation you're describing. I see a bunch of selfish, paranoid Yanks, treating the rest of the world like shit. Business as usual, really.
In the States, you can start a company, and with hard work make a success for yourself and your family?
It's a shame that the US has lost the "drive" it had to succeed. Now everybody wants things handed to them.
No longer competitive in the world environment, (some) Americans now want the corporations of the world to hold their hand and make everything better.
The problem is, people like that aren't part of the solution, they are part of the problem. They don't want to work, they want it handed to them.
When I started my company, I worked 60 or 70 hours a week for $20,000 a year. I did this for five years before it started to succeed. I took risks, I worked hard, I got lucky. (Not as lucky as Bill Gates, but lucky, all the same.)
Quit complaining about the other guy and start competing. Take that lower paying job to get in with the company and work hard, show your skill and get promoted.
Or get a job, watch porn at work, get fired, and sue the company for wrongful dismissal. It's the NEW American way.
Mean what you say...say what you mean.