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Crazy Non-Compete Contracts?

JL-b8 asks: "I've just encountered a (from what I know) strange occurrence. A group of friends who work for a small web design firm are being forced to sign a non-compete agreement with a clause that prohibits the employee from working with a competing company for 12 months, after the date of their leaving. The owners claim it's a standardly practiced clause, but I don't see how the hell a web developer/designer is supposed to find work in a city for a year, without moving to a completely different city. I'd like more input as to how this weighs in to the rest of the companies out there. Is this a common thing? If you've signed something like this, and had to switch jobs, how did it affect you?"

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  1. Ask them to pay for it by khchung · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Add a clause in the agreement that said the company will pay your full salary for the duration of the non-compete agreement, or until you landed another job, whichever is earlier. Tell them that is also "a standard clause for non-compete agreements".

    If what you know is so important that the company will suffer if you work for a competitor, it makes sense for the company to pay you for it. That's fair.

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    Oliver.
  2. Current non-compete lawsuit by The+Bastard · · Score: 5, Informative
    Actually, there are companies which do enforce non-competes through legal action. Even if the defendants win, how much money will they have spent on lawyers to defend themselves? Often, lawsuits aren't for the purpose of winning; rather for the purposes of setting an example of "you can fight, but it will cost you every penny you've ever earned, and ever will earn"...

    Ex-Iowa workers are sued to shield ethanol secrets
    They worked in Jewell and learned confidential methods before switching jobs, the lawsuit says.

    By JEFF MARTIN
    SIOUX FALLS (S.D.) ARGUS LEADER

    March 7, 2007


    In a case that underscores how competitive the ethanol industry has become, an ethanol maker is suing two former Iowa employees to protect its trade secrets and keep them from a rival.

    Broin and Associates claims it has developed technology that make its ethanol plants some of the most profitable in the industry.

    In a federal lawsuit, Broin says two employees of a Broin-affiliated ethanol plant in Jewell, north of Ames, learned confidential information and trade secrets about Broin's ethanol production methods.

    Then, the Iowa employees left to work with Colorado's first ethanol plant - a direct competitor of Broin, the lawsuit alleges.

    In going to Colorado, the employees broke agreements not to compete with Broin, according to the lawsuit.

    Broin has designed, engineered and built more than 25 ethanol plants across the United States, and is building one of the first plants to produce ethanol from corn cobs, in addition to the grain.

    Defendants in the lawsuit are Gary T. Hanson, former operations manager at the Horizon Ethanol plant, which began operations about one year ago.

    Also named as a defendant is Robert A. Akers, a former maintenance technician at Horizon.

    "Broin and Associates licensed to Horizon Ethanol proprietary technology, design information, and operational information," the lawsuit states. "The licensed technology included trade secrets, formulas, research data, processes, know-how, and specifications related to Broin and Associates' design and construction of the ethanol facility."

    Hanson resigned from the Iowa plant Dec. 18 and became affiliated with Sterling Ethanol LLC in northeast Colorado, according to the lawsuit. Akers resigned Jan. 22 and also went to Sterling, Broin maintains.

    Those job moves violated agreements that they not compete with Broin-affiliated plants, the lawsuit states.

    Akers' lawyer, Stu Cochrane of Des Moines, said the lawsuit misrepresents the situation.

    For one thing, Cochrane said, Akers was not involved in producing ethanol. Rather, he was a maintenance worker who made $13 an hour, and he went to Colorado to try to make a better life for his family, Cochrane said.

    "He wouldn't know a trade secret if he saw one," Cochrane said. "He had nothing to do with anything that was remotely confidential for that plant. He essentially fixed broken equipment."

    Akers had no contact with customers, wasn't involved in marketing efforts, and "the suggestion that he's now harming them is ridiculous." Cochrane added that Akers "is no threat in any way, and he never has been."

    Hanson could not be reached Tuesday for comment.

    Sioux Falls lawyer Tim Shattuck, who is representing Broin and Horizon, said it's their policy not to comment on pending lawsuits.

    Among other things, Broin's lawsuit seeks injunctions preventing the two men from working with Sterling, and stopping them from sharing confidential information.

    Sterling Ethanol has 30 employees and operates 24 hours a day.

    Its owners are building another plant 40 miles south of it. They have plans for three more facilities, the Rocky Mountain News newspaper of Denver reported in January.


    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art icle?AID=/20070307/BUSINESS01/703070352/1029/BUSIN ESS
  3. The Important Thing by Rydia · · Score: 5, Informative

    Remember, I am not your lawyer.

    Read the contract. Take it to a lawyer. If you are in california, tell them straight up it's unenforceable and tell them you want it out of the contract because it could be damaging to the rest of the agreement should legal actions arise. Elsewhere, if you absolutely cannot find a lawyer, agree to the non-compete if you can get one of the following:

    1) Specific mention of area of effect of the clause. Overly large areas are unenforceable. Look around your area and see if there are other places you could go to more than X miles from the employer.

    2) Specific mention of specific competitors in the contract that you could not work for. If the contract has a completeness clause ("this agreement is the complete and final agreement between the parties," if I remember the wording close enough, which bars extrinsic evidence, such as a list), make sure it is in the contract itself, and not just an oral agreement or a typed-up list. Remember that what is said during negotiations likely will not have any effect upon how the contract is interpreted by any court at some (unfortunate) later date. The contract must be ambiguous for that, and non-specific does not mean ambiguous.

    The larger the area/more employers, the more money you can ask for in severance during your noncompetitive period. If they try to get you to sign away longer than a year and a half or a couple counties of area, tell them up front that you can't agree to that and it is likely unenforceable. If they disagree, grab a lawyer for an hour and have him call them to tell them that it probably is. Generally, however, these clauses are allowed, and you have to be careful what you sign. Do not agree to a bad covenant not to compete in exchange for a lengthy period of "gauranteed" employment, because the gaurantee is... well... not a gaurantee. Even with a contract, unless it is worded extremely carefully, you are still an employee at will (to forestall questions: contractors are different, as they are not employees).

    DO NOT, EVER, just cross out parts of a contract. That will not modify the contract unless the other party specifically agrees to the modification. The physical appearance of the paper is meaningless, as the contract itself is metaphysical. At best, you don't have a contract. At worst, you have a counteroffer that was not accepted by the employer, which may revert to the employer's version. Feel free to cross things out, add things, or whatever on your copy, but you ABSOLUTELY MUST go and specifically bring your concerns to the person you are negotiating with, draft a NEW copy of the contract for you to both review and sign. That is the only right way to do it.