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Australian Students Can Get Office at 95% Off Retail

tora201 writes "Microsoft Australia is offering university students in that country Microsoft Office 2007 Ultimate Edition for just $75 Australian dollars, a 95% discount off the usual retail price. Alternatively students can buy a one year renewable license at just $25, or download a trial version that can be later activated. Eligibility is determined through a valid Australian university e-mail address with payment made via credit card."

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  1. Dupe! by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dupe - and the original story was much funnier - it covered MS's promotional site being flagged as a phishing site by MS's own IE7.

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    1. Re:Dupe! by Nimloth · · Score: 5, Funny

      Eligibility is determined through a valid Australian university e-mail address with payment made via credit card
      On a totally unrelated matter, does anyone here have any tips on spoofing email addresses?
  2. But the sad thing is... by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dupe or not, the sad thing is there are lots of students clueless enough to think that they need MS Office when 99% of them can do all they need with OpenOffice.org.

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    1. Re:But the sad thing is... by W2k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But the interface of Office 2007 is vastly different from that of OpenOffice. Those students may eventually be employed by someone who uses Office 2007 internally within their organization, and wants new employees to be familiar with it without any training, mandating prior experience. In this sense, the students being allowed to buy Office 2007 for cheap is a Good Thing for them.

      Now, perhaps most companies running Office 2003/2007 could also have managed with OpenOffice, but that argument is not going to help a job-seeking student...

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    2. Re:But the sad thing is... by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But the interface of Office 2007 is vastly different from that of OpenOffice. Those students may eventually be employed by someone who uses Office 2007 internally within their organization, and wants new employees to be familiar with it without any training, mandating prior experience.

      The vast majority of Office users never really use more than a very limited subset of the available features. A univeristy level student should be able to pick those up in a span of a few days, if familiar with Office applications in general.

      If you're aiming for a job which requires serious Office involvement it's a good thing to learn MS Office. But for writing papers, etc. buying it makes little sense. Spend a few hours every now and then in the uni computer lab and practice with MS Office instead.
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    3. Re:But the sad thing is... by pandrijeczko · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It could be argued that if your CV (or resume) is that difficult to fill with interesting information about yourself that you have to mention "MS Office experience", then you probably need to go and spend some time getting some better skills.

      I accept that more complex skills in MS Office like Excel programming, data merges, etc. are probably in demand by many employers - but for someone who just creates simple documents in MS Office, OpenOffice would probably take no more than a couple of hours to adjust to.

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    4. Re:But the sad thing is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you, your employer or someone else you know is employing people so dense that they can not handle a simple transition from one application to another, it's time to rethink the hiring policy.

      Oh and you know it's funny, but I don't recall anyone wailing and gnashing their teeth because people who are already employed and using Microsoft Office 2003 will have to "learn" the new Microsoft Office 2007 user interface. Your argument seems to be that it is O.K for Microsoft Office 2007 not to look like Microsoft Office 2003, but it is not O.K for OpenOffice.org 2.1 not to look like Microsoft Office 2007. Que?

    5. Re:But the sad thing is... by EvanED · · Score: 2, Funny

      so its gotsa to beee good

      Jar-Jar?!

    6. Re:But the sad thing is... by W2k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lots of people have responded to my post same as you, "if you have to mention Office experience to fill your CV you suck", or "if your employer thinks you need retraining to switch Office versions they're daft", etc. That's beside the point. The point is that HR people will use "office 2007" as a search term when looking through the stack of digitized CV's they got in response for their latest job offering. HR people really are that clueless. And if you don't want to lie on your CV, it will serve you to be able to put "Office 2007" in there.

      Remember that I am talking about jobs that a student, in his last couple of years or just post graduation, might consider. NOT the most technically advanced positions, more like entry-level. In those, I've found, they only care about past positions.

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    7. Re:But the sad thing is... by GreatDrok · · Score: 4, Informative

      A few years back I was between proper jobs and had to do some temping work. The temping agency asked if I could use Office. I didn't know as I had only used OpenOffice as I had been a Linux user since 1994 and before that I was on SunOS. Anyway, I knew OpenOffice pretty well at the time so I figured it would be interesting to see how well I did in their Office proficiency test. They set it up for Office XP and away I went. The funny thing was that they tested my ability to find things in the menu within a couple of tries and didn't let me use keyboard shortcuts. Despite this, the interface of Word was so similar to what I knew from OpenOffice 1.x that I was able to pass the test easily with what they said was a very high score. Some of the really specific functions in Office versus OpenOffice differ in their placement or what they are called but most are close enough that a user of one will be perfectly able to use the other. This is why schools should encourage the use of OpenOffice. This massive discount is a cyncical attempt by MS to get students so used to Office that they won't consider anything else.

      On a similar note, I recently bought my Mum a MacBook and just gave it to her. She has never used anything other than Windows but even without training she was able to find her way around but recently she was struggling to get Word to format some pictures properly on the page so I suggested she use the trial copy of Pages. She was amazingly difficult to convince to try and use anything other than Office, even though she happily used OpenOffice on her Windows box but eventually she tried it and a few minutes in she was suddenly very enthusiastic about it. In the end, what MS wants to do is get people scared of trying anything else. Ever. Teaching people only to use Windows and MS applications from an early age is key to this strategy and it is a cycle that needs to be broken if we are ever to have people who can really function in the face of alternative software. MS has been so successful that people often struggle when moving from one Windows machine to another simply because an icon is in a different place. That just sucks.

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    8. Re:But the sad thing is... by a.ameri · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Am I the only one around here who actually likes the ribbon interface?

      First of all, I am a student in Australia, and right now I am downloading Office 2007 Ultimate after shelving out $75 of my hard earned cash. This I think, is the first time I am directly paying for software in my life, and I guess it's mainly because of how impressed I have become of Office 2007's interface. I had been using a pirated copy of Enterprise Edition for the past couple of weeks, but after seeing this offer, I realised that having a legitimate copy which can easily be validated and updated is worth $75.

      I have used every version of Office since Office 97, and I have also used every version of OOo since it was Staroffice 5.x. Even after all these years, I always found myself looking for a specific option, and jumping from menu to the other menu. Let's face it, there is absolutely no logic why many of these items are where they are. It's just that we have become so accustomed with the interface that we have memorised where they are, and hence are able to use the product. Have you ever looked at a person who has never used any office product, trying to make sense out of Office? I have (my mother), and let me tell you that it is hugely frustrating, to say the least.

      Ribbons just make the whole problem disappear. The whole functionality is now right in your face, and they have designed it in a way which takes less screen real space than all those menus and toolbars did. The whole interface is now more intuitive, and everything seems in its place. Now, I hate Microsoft as much as the next guy here, but realistically, ribbons are a UI improvement over menus and toolbars. It took me perhaps 2-3 days to get accustomed to it, but after that I never looked back.

      I agree that for 90% of the time, OOo is fine feature-wise, and does the job. However in the Real World (TM), people ask that you hand in your CV in "word format", and they don't even accept PDFs (don't ask me why). I am afraid I simply can't trust OOo's "save as MS Word" feature, for files which are critical to me. Not to mention that there are those of us who really need the extra functionality MS Office provides. It's not just Office's own functionality either, there are various 3rd party products that only integrate with MS Office, e.g., here in the University of Melbourne, we use a program called End Note X to manage our bibliographies and references when writing articles. Guess what word processing program it integrated with? (hint: not OOo). Now I myself probably won't trust Word (or any WYSIWYG program for that matter) for writing 100+ pages (I used LaTex for writing my Master's thesis), but LaTex is simply not an option for 99% of the population who have been brought up in a WYSIWYG world.

      To say that all those paying for MS Office are ignorants who are not aware of alternatives is stupid. Ribbon is a very fine UI evolution, and I strongly suspect that in a couple of years time, all document generating programs will use the same interface. Not withstanding the technical superiority of MS Office over all other office suits at this time, it should also be noted that many of us have to use Office to ensure document compatibility with everyone else, as well as compatibility with a large number of 3rd party products which we rely on for our day to day life.

      Now, I should probably get back to my thesis again, in LaTex...

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    9. Re:But the sad thing is... by shark72 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "It works okay. It's at least 5 years out of date; the track changes feature in Word 2002 is vastly superior to OO.org's, and it's very possible that even earlier versions were the same. There is an open enhancement request [openoffice.org] for OO.org to support one of the main differences if you want to vote for it."

      ... and that's the problem with a lot of FOSS in a nutshell. Another option is to do the damn coding myself, but if I can't or won't contribute back to OSS, then I must wait, because the fellow responsible for such a feature has a day job of his own, and that's what I should expect for free.

      If my time is worth $25AUS an hour, and it will take me three hours to modify OO to make it do what I want, or to spend time cajoling somebody in Finland to work on the feature that I need, then Office 07's $75 price starts looking good. I'll pick up and wave the holy sword of FOSS when it relates to something that's not so mission-critical.

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  3. You idiot! by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 2, Informative

    I linked to the article I was commenting on.

    Dupe article is here.

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  4. The first one is free... by apodyopsis · · Score: 2, Funny

    ..or massively discounted.

    But you pay the full whack for the rest, sonny boy.

    Is is just me or have I seem the same tactic used to get people hooked on recreational pharmaceuticals?

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    1. Re:The first one is free... by jez9999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and i say more companies should take a leaf for their book. ... and put a 2000% markup on their products? That's assuming it actually cost MS around $50/sale to develop, which I highly doubt. Seriously, how can anyone contemplate paying over $1000 for an OFFICE SUITE that's not even that much better than numerous other ones out there (Office 2003 included)?

      No, sorry, you're wrong. More companies should NOT take a leaf out of MS's ultra-profiteering monopolistic exploitative book. Just because they're selling it to you for a less ridiculous profit doesn't make them heroes.

    2. Re:The first one is free... by tomstdenis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      us poor university students...

      Use OSS tools. They're free, cost you poor poor students nothing.

      Besides academic papers should be done in TeX unless you're one of them polysci wannabe students, then just muddle your way through with notepad because you don't have anything useful to say anyways :-)

      Honestly, I hate comments like yours. OMG what can we do as poor students, oh thank you MSFT for saving us ... bullshit. Fedora Core + OpenOffice == free. Or Gentoo + whatever or *BSD + whatever or ...There are ways of getting most [if not all] the tools you'll need for free and libre from an OSS distribution. Just takes effort.

      Tom

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    3. Re:The first one is free... by bmo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Honestly, I hate comments like yours. "

      The comments that are worse than that come from students pirating software saying that they're "sticking it to The Man." No, they're not sticking it to The Man. They're doing exactly what The Man wants, because....

      "As long as they are going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade." - Bill Gates, about Chinese software piracy. Thing is, that quote is also applicable to students, just end the sentence with "and then we will collect after they graduate"

      This "we're letting you license Office Ultimate for $25AU/year" is a price just slightly above outright software piracy, and maybe even cheaper than buying a burned set of disks from the "dorm software dealer." Hook 'em while they're young.

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    4. Re:The first one is free... by cyclop · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Besides academic papers should be done in TeX

      As a molecular biologist working in biophysics, this is sometimes slightly difficult. I know that Nature at least doesn't like to receive LaTeX written papers, and a significant number of molecular biology journals want .doc output. Not nice.

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  5. $1500 ? by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 4, Insightful

    95% off ? Does Microsoft actually sell any single license for Office to anyone at ~$1500 US ?

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    1. Re:$1500 ? by deniable · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, I missed one. Ultimate is A$1175. And for extra sticker shock Vista Ultimate is A$750.

  6. That's what it should cost. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    $75 sounds like a very reasonable price. That's what it should have cost in the first place!

  7. Perceived value by wall0159 · · Score: 2, Interesting


    I guess it's all about how people think about that cost. Many people would say "$75! And every one else has to pay hundreds! It's a bargain!"

    Whereas I'd say, "it's $75 more than OO, and it doesn't even run natively on my OS - what a piece of crap!!"

  8. If the ultimate edition... by dragonquest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the Ultimate Edition is being given away so cheap to students, why the hell did they ever came up with the Student Edition minus the frills? Which notably, costs more than the discounted Ultimate Edition for students.

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  9. Ethics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    M$FT: The same ethics as a heroine dealer at a school yard: just get them hooked young and let them suffer later!

    1. Re:Ethics by Skrynesaver · · Score: 5, Funny
      The same ethics as a heroine dealer at a school yard:

      Psst wanna buy a bit of Jane Eyre, into something a bit harder, I've got Ripley here, try her and tell me what you think

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  10. What about us? by AlphaLop · · Score: 2, Interesting
    And where is the discounted version for American students?

    I had to pay full price for a copy recently for my wife as it was a requirement of the last class she needs for her first degree.... We are far from rich and the fact that we are trying to get her through college without racking up student loan debt means that this was our "Major" purchase for this half of the year ;)

    We use open office at home so it actually caused me physical pain to have to purchase another Microsoft product :)

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    1. Re:What about us? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And where is the discounted version for American students?

      I have to say I am surprised. Here in AU the uni bookshops and normal software shops have always been loaded with cheap "Academic" versions of major software. You just need a student ID to buy it, even off campus.

      I always assumed it was a way for the publisher to lock people in early. I am surprised they don't do it in the states.

  11. Limited installations by om3ga · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought I'd point out a few things that were mentioned on the article from a few days ago:

    - This ultimate edition thats available through this offer is limited to installation on one PC, vs installation on three PCs available to those who buy the student edition (around $249AU)
    - You don't get the CDs with the offer, but can download it, or get a disc from a participating university (I didn't check if it was just a burnt copy or a nicely labeled pressed disc). I'd pay $75 if OpenOffice came in such a fancy box!

    I was one button away from purchasing it, until I realized how unnecessary it is for me. I use OpenOffice for my university studies, it opens every word document and PowerPoint presentation thats given to us from the Lecturers. I'm not sure how it is for other things. But for those of you who think this is a good deal, please consider, or atleast try OpenOffice first!

  12. Microsoft Office 2007 Ultimate Edition by BillGatesLoveChild · · Score: 4, Funny

    If it is "Ultimate" does that mean there will be no further releases?

  13. Discounted software by edwardpickman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Funny how often the US gets to bear the brunt of development costs while the rest of the world gets deep discounts. It's not just software but drugs as well. Even Canada gets radically cheaper drug prices than the US. Part of it is government policies but the bulk is corporate america bleeding the US dry then discounting the rest of the world. Interesting that some drugs can be sold for a few dollars a dose at a profit overseas and yet sell for tens of dollars here. Microsoft can count on the US to pay for the development costs so the rest of the world is gravy. Europe doesn't see the software discounts generally but a lot of the world does. I'm sure Microsoft is claiming hundreds of millions to perhaps billions in developing Vista but we pay for that development in higher software prices. In this case we aren't getting much for our money. The added security seems to come with a high anoyance factor and the eye candie we can live without. Direct X10 sounds impressive but do we really need a whole new OS to run it? There are some definate improvements in memory limits and such but we pay for it in radically greater system requirements. The low end computer manufactures are likely going to be stuck with Linux since the system requirements are so high. Ironically that will come back to bite Microsoft because more and more entry level users will become in exposed to Linux. They may be trying to avoid that with the foreign markets because people are going to be less inclined to pay both the high OS and hardware costs. Give the students cheap OSs then hopefully they stay branded to Microsoft.

    1. Re:Discounted software by EvanED · · Score: 2, Informative

      Funny how often the US gets to bear the brunt of development costs while the rest of the world gets deep discounts

      I can download, free of charge, any of the following products:
      MapPoint 2004
      OneNote 2003
      Project 2002 and 2003
      Virtual PC 2004
      Vision 2002 and 2003
      Visual Studio 6, .NET 2003, and .NET 2005 (and the MSDN library)
      Windows Vista Business, XP Professional, and Server 2003 Enterprise

      For free, legally. Other university departments have SQL Server, Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise, Access 2007, and others.

      It's not just other countries getting the discounts. The *student* part is much more important.

    2. Re:Discounted software by xtracto · · Score: 2, Informative

      Funny how often the US gets to bear the brunt of development costs while the rest of the world gets deep discounts.
      Ha! You should live in the UK a bit my friend. They are so used to get raped on the ass by the prices that they lost the repulsion long ago.

      The added security seems to come with a high anoyance factor
      I have not tried Windows Vista, but for what I have read and saw, it seems to me the guys at Redmond chose the less-work way to add security. So, at the end they chose to leave security as a chose to the user (with the infamous accept or cancel hundreds of screens). I really hope this is what they only mean by improved security because it is exactly the same as it was in XP. Just with more questions to the users.

      It seems to me that Microsoft made with Windows Vista what I did as a kid for my homework, they assign you a homework on Monday for the next Monday, and you do not do nothing until Sunday afternoon when you read about the assignment and realize you *need* more time to do some research on the subject (lets say that the homework was to ask several people what do they think about Coke) and you just try to write something that seems to be OK just to pass the mark.

      But then again, looking back at the previous Windows releases, I remember when the Windows Millennium Edition was going to be released how it was supposed to have the NT kernel and to be more stable than anything else but oh fiasco, it was Win98 with a new desktop background. And then Win2000 came out for the servers without any further and after that WindowsXP which again was Win2000 with Internet Explorer and pretty themes.

      Fucking hardware manufacturers PROVIDE LINUX DRIVERS!!!! we do not care if they are closed!

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  14. First one's always free by Grail · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And then when the discount "Office Ultimate" software decides to lock you out of your Office documents, you have to pay the full price plus the unlocking fee.

    Read the EULA. Understand about DRM, and Microsoft's plans for the future. ORCON is fine and dandy until you realise that the provider of the control mechanisms is the real owner of the document.

    This FUD brought to you by the number 51 and a Tin Foil Hat.

  15. Re:Reality check by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Huh? How do you extrapolate from "the ribbon interface is better for usability" (and I believe it is) to "Oh wow, hey, gotta pay MS another $1000 just to use said ribbon interface"? People upgrade to keep current and to have new things. Nowhere did the GP say, as you imply that a UI trick is worthy as the reason for an upgrade.

    that will evaporate when Microsoft dangles a new shiny.

    Nice ad hominem. I love the implication that your move away from Microsoft is some kind of intellectual philosophizing and of scholarly merit, and that someone who likes a product released by Microsoft is some immature child, dazzled by a new toy and "blind to the ways of the world".

    I know Exchange admins who would kill to escape Microsoft

    That's their problem. I know I wouldn't keep working at something I detest. Let alone say that it's someone else's fault. I know plenty of people who are happy administering Exchange (though personally I find its admin to be cumbersome and unintuitive).

    Frankly, your post reads like you just received your first month's check from Microsoft for astroturfing Slashdot.

    Why, because he has the unmitigated gall to have a differing opinion from you on the subject? I happen to think O2007 is a vast improvement in usability to O2003. The ribbon is far more contextual and I spend less time menu-hunting/surfing. HOWEVER, I will admit that there is a significant effort in becoming familiar with this new system. For some people, myself included, the usability of the product once this has been overcome is worth this initial expense. For you, it may not (above and beyond the fact that you imply you've never used it).

  16. Re:Reality check by alienmole · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why, because he has the unmitigated gall to have a differing opinion from you on the subject?
    No, because he claimed that he "hates Microsoft as much as the next guy here", and then went on to indulge in some fanboy drooling, concluding with some more material attempting to bolster his non-Microsoft cred. As I pointed out, he clearly doesn't "hate Microsoft as much as the next guy here", and if he had left out that comment and his attempt to be taken seriously as anything other than a Microsoft fan, I wouldn't have bothered to respond.