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All Microsoft Updates Phone Home

juct writes "In the wake of heise Security's report on the garrulous WGA Notification, Microsoft has now supplied additional details on the data sent. They have revealed to developers that apparently all updates relay information to the company in Redmond."

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  1. EULA by Zapraki · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Like the article says:

    "In the Privacy Statement of Windows Update Microsoft grants itself fairly far-reaching rights... By way of justifying Microsoft's approach, alexkoc writes that the EULA, likewise presented by the WGA installer, also covered the relaying of such information."

    So I guess it might be a bit sneaky, but it has all been covered by WGA disclosures.

    An example of the XML returned when a user cancels an installation is available here, "just to allay any fears that Microsoft is using any personal information".

    So ya, I don't think this is a huge deal, nor particularly unexpected.

  2. Re:All updates relay Information... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's hardly surprising.
    Considering that most of these applications are installed via the windows-update site...
    I doubt you could even maintain a session without sending information back to the web-server.

    Yeah totally, because:
    • Computer make and model
    • Version information for all installed Microsoft software
    • Plug&Play ID numbers of hardware devices
    • Globally Unique Identifier (GUID)
    • BIOS name, revision number, and revision date
    are all necessary to download a single specific update not to mention maintain a session to the web-server.
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    When information is power, privacy is freedom.
  3. Re:What if. . .piracy were more difficult? by hguorbray · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Usually you will be forced to download WGA before you can get to other updates -and your new install of Windows XP or Vista will stop booting after about 45-60 days if it has not been validated online. Obviously there are OEM and corporate versions cracked versions which will install without online validation, but the requirement for WGA for software updates is probably still on.

    My hope is that is all of these things make running pirated versions of Windows more difficult -particularly in the developing countries where internet connectivity is spotty such that OSS can gain in popularity and use. This could end up being a real win for Linux and other OSS.

    cue stories of entire countries running off a single pirated copies of Windows and Office.....

    -I'm just sayin'

  4. ...and they go further than that! by blindd0t · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For example, if you are using the Visual Studio 2005 IDE and use the integrated access to the online MSDN documentation, you can copy the URL from the address bar in VS2005 and paste it into firefox. What you'll find, in many cases, is Firefox asking you if you would like to download "HiddenCheck.exe". Though I have not seen this for some time now, I have recently found that there are a few pages in the online MSDN docs that load fine with IE, yet say the "Resource is not available" in Firefox. Of course, while I'm sort-of whining a little, I may as well go on to complain about how several of the MSDN pages only render properly in IE. :-( I can't trust them enough to use their own browser without feeling like I'm being watched, and I can't use an alternative browser in an attempt to try to protect my privacy. Granted, I'm not doing anything wrong, but that feeling of always being watched is enough to make anybody feel uneasy.

  5. UK/EU - Data Protection Act by stevedcc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So, I live in the EU. We have rather stronger laws regarding companies holding information on people than you Americans do. I object to this information being collected on me. Whilst I can't stop them collecting it, I CAN force Microsoft to reveal all information they hold about me, after I pay an admin fee of around £10 and it'll cost them far more than that to provide it. One person is nothing, but if a whole bunch of irate people were to start asking for this information - MS would be very unhappy. Now if only EFF Europe or some other organisation would organise a pro-forma, and encourage a mass "ask MS to reveal what they hold on you" - as many people as possible in as small a window as possible. Geurilla consumerism is great fun!

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    todo - The developer's equivalent of confession: "Forgive me Father, for I have sinned..."
  6. Re:Killing suggestions by Raistlin77 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great idea. However, you'd be hard pressed to find any major software company that would willingly put such a label on their products. People definitely need guidance to stay focused on the important things, but it seems that the only play in most large American corporations' playbooks is the Kansas City Shuffle.