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SEC Halts Trading on Spam Driven Stocks

goombah99 writes "The SEC has taken action to halt transactions on spam-touted stocks. Presumably this opens an opportunity for denial of service attacks on stocks. However, to be effective spam generally must target penny stocks with historically low volumes and thus the actual capitalized market impact or effect on the companies for a temporary shutdown can be expected to be negligible and transient. One example was given of a touted apparel stock jumping from 6 cents to 45 cents over a period of days before settling down to ten cents a share and near 65,000 or about $6500 in transactions (an eighth of the peak share volume, and a 50th of the peak transaction value). In other words, the market distortion of a brief shutdown, even if it were a DOS attack, would be massively less than the integrated spam surge. The thing I found surprising was that for this to be an effective measure with human oversight then the number of such events must be relatively small in number. From the amount of spam I get I'd have guessed it was a tidal wave."

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  1. What spam? by Seumas · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't understand what "spam" the SEC is discussing, here. Didn't we eliminate spam a few years ago when congress passed the CAN-SPAM Act?

    And if we're going to halt transactions during periods of heavy spam for a particular stock, why not halt transactions during periods in which pundits in print, radio and television are promoting or demoting particular stocks? Or, even better, how about we just not worry about it in the first place because anyone that is stupid enough to base their investment decisions on email campaigns should suffer their own stupidity.

    1. Re:What spam? by shird · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because those 'stupid' enough to go out and buy those stocks give the spammers incentive to continue. Spamming people like you and I who don't buy the crap.

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    2. Re:What spam? by Volante3192 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This, of course, goes against much of the suggestions from /. before on this topic, in that the SEC should get involved in this penny stock spam trading and put a halt to it because spam stock could be traced back to whoever makes the biggest deal on it in the end.

      Can we make up our minds here? I'm getting confused what I should be a zealot about...

    3. Re:What spam? by McFadden · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Who is to say that others aren't taking advantage of the spammer's work? If you can buy early and sell a day later, I imagine there'd be a lot of profit to be had.
      Unfortunately I'm a little thin on the details, but I distinctly remember reading that at least one of the big investment banks has a team that does exactly that. i.e. monitoring the 'net to try and pick up as quickly as possible on pump'n'dump stocks in order to maximize any remaining value from from the spammers activities.
    4. Re:What spam? by MarkRose · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I doubt it would be too difficult to get a few thousand email addresses, get them spammed, then scan incoming emails for new stocks. You don't have to get in before the spam hits, just before the wave crests, that's all.

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    5. Re:What spam? by hugorxufl · · Score: 2, Funny

      Crap, so, what am I supposed to do with all of my shares in HRL (Hormel)?

    6. Re:What spam? by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Interesting
      You don't have to get in before the spam hits, just before the wave crests, that's all.

      There was a story on the economics of these scams a few months ago. One conclusion: no, you can't profit riding on the coat-tails. One reason is that penny stocks are very thinly traded, you can't instantly buy shares. By the time your order is processed, it's too late. You're buying from the pumpers as they cash out (of course, they bought in days before). And they only average about 5% gain.

      http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/21/202 9210

    7. Re:What spam? by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Informative
      That said, plenty of people (possibly like Slashdotters) see the spams and buy those stocks knowing that it's going to be used as a pump and dump.

      The best scams are those that make the sucker think he's pulling a fast one. It doesn't work. The "smart" people trying to cash in on this lose.

      http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id =920553

      "Before brokerage fees, the average investor who buys a stock on the day it is most heavily touted and sells it 2 days after the touting ends will lose approximately 5.5%. For the top half of most thoroughly touted stocks, a spammer who buys at the ask price on the day before unleashing touts and sells at the bid price on the day his or her touting is the heaviest will, on average, earn 5.79%."

      You think you can squeeze a profit while the spammer is cashing out and the price is falling, good luck. They know the game, you don't.

    8. Re:What spam? by um...+Lucas · · Score: 3, Informative

      You are allowed to short any stock you'd like. Problem is, those shares need to be borrowed from somewhere (typically, a hedge fund, mutual fund or pension fund). Since none of those sources are likely to have any holdings in your penny stock, there simply aren't any shares available to be borrowed. And if there were, rest assured, the spammers would have already acquired those lonng before sending out the first email.

    9. Re:What spam? by maxume · · Score: 2, Informative

      They are generally stocks that are very difficult to short, as no one will 'loan you the shares'.

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  2. Re:Readability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Your IQ index: 80

    Ideally, you should have an IQ in the triple digits to understand ./. The higher the score, the easier it'll be for you.

  3. Re:Readability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let it never be said that you are a little bit anal about spelling and grammar...

  4. Re:Readability? by afaik_ianal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But if you paste their own introductory text into their tool, they score 49, 11, and 18. All of these scores are worse than "ideal".

    I had no problems with the sentence you had troubles with. I also fail to see why making it hard for all the 12 year olds (and adults with similar language skills) is such a bad thing for Slashdot.

  5. It's about time... by bitkid · · Score: 3, Informative

    So it finally payed off that I forwarded all my spam to the SEC :-)

    The current amount of stocks advertised by spam is human-manageable (see http://www.spamnation.info/stocks/ for a list of about 15 spamvertised symbols), and it will probably stay that way, because there are not that many companies that have the volume and the price such that spam will have an influence on the price; I think that is a very sensible solution for the spam-problem in that domain; I wish they could do something like that for medication-spam as well...

    1. Re:It's about time... by value_added · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The current amount of stocks advertised by spam is human-manageable

      Maybe yes, but according to the fine article:

      SEC Chairman Christopher Cox said that not even the investor protection agency is immune to the onslaught of stock-related spam. He said the SEC's public affairs director, John Nester, received an e-mail touting the stock of one of the 35 companies.

      ``Not even the SEC's spam filter can stop all this spam,'' Cox said.


      Rather funny, if you think about it; at one level, this could be a case of the Spamming the Wrong Guy. What isn't so funny is reading the trading volume numbers and being reminded that there's people out there who do read their spam.
  6. some things to remember re: microcap/pink sheets: by artifex2004 · · Score: 5, Informative

    1) these are companies that can't get listed on regular exchanges. Either they're too new or small to afford the fees, or they don't have the financials that the exchanges require.
    2) this is a big one: the market makers may not report every single transaction and every price change, or every minute or hour. You're used to seeing the market change, and having updated info pretty quickly after a trade. "Real time level 2 quotes" and all that. Guess what? These are thinly traded. Some report daily. Some report every couple of days. Some report weekly. Unless you check, you don't know. If you see stock trading for 5 cents one week and 25 cents the next week, you don't know if it really is going up, or if it went to 10 dollars in the middle of the week, and all the pumpers jumped, and 25 cents is the reported figure on the way back down. You just don't know.

    Go here for some more information. Really. Don't think about these without being sure you know the risks.

    (Also, I have to say, while the information I gave in #2 was deemed correct when I worked for a broker, I was never a licensed broker myself. So don't take my word for it still being completely true. I see that a company called pinksheets.com offers what they say are real time quotes now for dealers, but they're neither a NASD broker-dealer nor SEC-registered, so... who knows what that means? Ask your broker and do your own research. Be sure and ask your broker what it means when you try to sell "at market" on a pink sheet, too, if you're assuming you're going to be able to get out quickly :) )

  7. In a race between weapons and armor ... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Presumably this opens an opportunity for denial of service attacks on stocks. However, ... the market distortion of a brief shutdown, even if it were a DOS attack, would be massively less than the integrated spam surge.

    Two platitudes:
      - In a race between weapons and armor the weapons eventually win.
      - To end a war you must defeat the enemy.

    My bet: Once this goes into effect the spammers will adapt. Expect the result to be a bigger problem.

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    1. Re:In a race between weapons and armor ... by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My bet: Once this goes into effect the spammers will adapt. Expect the result to be a bigger problem.
      Assuming the SEC creates an effective system, what are the possible results?

      1. Pump N Dump Spam goes away
      2. Spam volume increases, but the SEC's system halts trading of those companies
      3. Spam volumes are tailored to raise prices in a more natural fashion and the SEC doesn't catch the new behavior

      Of those results, #3 is the only one in which the Dumpers will make money and even then, it won't be nearly as profitable.

      Platitudes are nice, but honestly, you're going to have to do better than that to backup your conclusion. Especially since your second platitude isn't 100% supported by history. Two examples off the top of my head are The Korean War & The Six Days War
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  8. Too late. by sakusha · · Score: 4, Interesting

    By the time the SEC decides to act, the pump and dump is already over. These scams happen in the space of a few days. Blocking trading on a group of stocks that have already been pumped and dumped is futile. As the submission suggests, if they could act promptly by blockign trading immediately after a spams, that would effectively be a DoS attack on a stock trading, any spammer could initiate one. The SEC needs to go after the spammers, not the stocks.

    1. Re:Too late. by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2, Informative
      The SEC needs to go after the spammers, not the stocks.

      It's not very likely that the companies are completely innocent. All sorts of crap goes on. Often the entire company exists only to try to fleece unsophisticated investors.

  9. Re:instead of banning everything by Tweekster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because people are stupid, they will fall for this stuff, cause problems for others then demand from their leaders that something be done.

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  10. Ready to explode by psaunders · · Score: 3, Funny
    From TFA:

    The SEC said it launched an enforcement effort to protect investors from potentially fraudulent spam e-mail promoting small company stocks with phrases like, "Ready to Explode," "Ride the Bull" and "Fast Money."

    Now, Fast Money I get. But if I saw the phrase "Ready to Explode" in spam, to me that would suggest something pretty far from small company stocks.

    And "Ride the Bull" is something else entirely...

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  11. Re:Pro-spam server by symbolset · · Score: 5, Funny

    They have this. It's called hotmail.

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  12. Re:Readability? by Siker · · Score: 3, Funny

    I second that opinion. This test is just another lowest common denominator search tool. It makes it easier to write text for children, which is good if you're writing for children, but perhaps not so good if you're writing for adults. Remember, to reach the sky you must aim for the stars. If you instead aim for the smallest child you can see, I think you're not doing so well.

    And not only because you're aiming at innocent children. :)

  13. Wrong answer to problem by winkydink · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All this does is give bad guys a new way to extort money from companies. "Hey, Mr. CEO! Wire $50k to my egold account by Friday or I'll send pump&dump spam and get trading suspended on yoru company's stock."

    The right answer is to unroll these trades and see who is profiting. Then start doing some analysis on the brokerages associated with these trades, because I'm willing to bet we're talking about "less reputable" brokerages. Now pull their securities dealer's license. Do you think that would cause other brokerages to look more carefully at sudden large volume trades on previously thinly-traded stocks? I do.

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    1. Re:Wrong answer to problem by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Informative

      The stocks involved typically have such low volume that they may not even trade at all some days. Once the IPO is complete, the CEO probably doesn't give a rat's ass if his or her stock gets halted for a few days.

    2. Re:Wrong answer to problem by winkydink · · Score: 2, Informative

      A company's market capitalization affects it's ability to borrow money / obtain credit. What's the market cap of a company on which trading has been suspended?

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  14. Does the U.S. enforce securities laws anymore? by nbauman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pump and dump violates the securities laws, right? The SEC's own web site calls them "fraudulent".

    So why can't they track these guys down and prosecute them? The SEC has a pretty good investigative force. They tracked down Martha Stewart. They subpoenaed her phone records and everything.

    You have to buy these stocks from a broker, so that leaves a paper trail. They have to report stock purchases to the IRS, if nothing else. You can't buy stocks with stacks of currency, can you?

    The guys who are behind the pump and dump schemes by definition will buy the stock at the beginning, send out 10 million spam to get the suckers buying, dump the stock when the price goes up, and leave the suckers holding the bag.

    So why can't the SEC track these guys down through the brokers, and prosecute them for this pattern of buy and sell that is obviously fraudulent?

    Will somebody who understands this better than me explain to me why the SEC can't enforce the law?

  15. ISPs that host zombies need to hurt. by jthill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's time to stop tolerating ISPs that tolerate infected PCs. Is spam the only thing a zombie can do? No. Will this stop ddos botnets? Not a chance. One thing at a time, and spam leaves a trail. The Heinlein strategy: ~when you don't know how to solve a problem, do any part of it you do understand, then look at it again.~

    Get as many as possible of the major email services - gmail, hotmail, yahoo, aol, all their equivalents in other countries - to backtrack inbound spam envelopes to a retail ISP. Crank up the heat on the worst offenders until they shut off zombies. Private warnings, name and shame, SMTP brownouts and blackouts, BGP blackhole.

    The ISPs all have AUPs. Seems simple enough: they warn spam sources, point them at instructions and commercial offers of help for a full disinfect, then if they stay infected shut them off until they pay for an ISP-provided (and expensive) brainwipe. That'll make lots of new niches in which the scum who'd otherwise be sending spam can turn a buck, and take the load off everybody but the clueless.

    Now, obviously, this is *too* simple somehow, or otherwise somebody'd be doing this already. What is it?

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  16. Why they have trouble tracking by The+Mutant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First of all, the fraudsters aren't stupid enough to leave (much) of a paper trail; its common for them to use brokerage accounts compromised by phising. They execute their pump'n'dump via a stolen account, and by the time the dust settles the funds have been transferred.

    Secondly, many of these folks operate from abroad and the amounts involved - in any single fraud - just aren't large enough to warrant the intervention of The Feds. Sad but true.

    Because the market for these shares is so thin - most of the pink sheets companies will have market caps of less than one million dollars - the criminals can't fraudulently run huge amounts of money. So they perform a large number of smaller transactions.

    Short of some organised crime indictment, The Feds won't get involved as the individual amounts are so damn small.

    1. Re:Why they have trouble tracking by pjrc · · Score: 2, Informative
      Because the market for these shares is so thin - most of the pink sheets companies will have market caps of less than one million dollars - the criminals can't fraudulently run huge amounts of money. So they perform a large number of smaller transactions.

      Short of some organised crime indictment, The Feds won't get involved as the individual amounts are so damn small.

      From TFA:

      ``Now that we have stopped the trading in these stocks, we will focus our attention on the people behind the spam and profiting from it,'' Schonfeld said.

      He said the SEC is investigating the companies themselves as well as outsiders, and that the same people are likely behind multiple spam campaigns.

      Also, from TFA:

      SEC Chairman Christopher Cox said that not even the investor protection agency is immune to the onslaught of stock-related spam. He said the SEC's public affairs director, John Nester, received an e-mail touting the stock of one of the 35 companies.

      ``Not even the SEC's spam filter can stop all this spam,'' Cox said.

      Someone cynical might conclude, rather than being sensitive to suckers, er, investors losing their money, perhaps Cox got fed up with penny stock spam in his inbox, picked up the phone, and next thing you know, Schonfeld halted trading and issued a press release.

      It remains to be seen if they'll actually find and shut down these scammers.

  17. We need a greater context here by JRHelgeson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The stock spam and pump-n-dump activities; while they do pose a threat to our financial systems, these actually represent the last step(s) in the chain for some very serious and very brilliant criminal activities. There is a much, much bigger story going on here that the public are not being told about.

    Permit me to break it down for you:
    The Phishers will phish usernames and passwords for brokerage accounts, or they will collect the information from personal users by means of a trojan. The criminals log into these accounts and schedule sell orders for whatever stocks they are holding, and schedule buy orders for the penny stock they are going to pump-n-dump. Then they walk away.

    They execute the spam, eager traders read the spam, look at the account and see that volume of shares purchased have been bought up in the past n-hours and they jump in. The pumpers have bought their stock before hand and once the volume peaks, they dump. The account holders whose accounts were compromised are left holding the pumped-dumped stock...

    The criminals are getting GOOD! They don't need to worry about transferring money out of the compromised brokerage accounts, they are stealing the money and laundering it all in the same step.

    And it should be no big surprise that the criminal organizations behind the whole operations is the Russians.

    Welcome to professional bank robbery in the 21st century.

    *NOW* this is not to say that the traditional "boiler rooms" don't exist. They most certainly do and they continue to pose a serious problem which the SEC has addressed for many years. What is new is this most recent innovation that targets retirement accounts, day traders and even the average investor. The "tens of millions of dollars in losses" mentioned in TFA are coming from liquidated brokerage accounts. The SEC is in a panic to shore up or stop this exploit by suspending trading on pump/dump stocks. They're hoping to stem the hijacking of retirement funds by stopping the ability to get the money out.

    See, when you view it through the proper perspective, within this greater context, now it makes sense as to why the Russian spammers and bot masters have suddenly gotten involved in the game.

    I personally have communicated with the scammers & spammers, some of the conversations I have written about on my site, which includes screenshots of bank accounts that have been compromised by phishing, etc.

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    1. Re:We need a greater context here by HappyEngineer · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm confused. At what point do they get money out of that process? You said "They don't need to worry about transferring money out of the compromised brokerage accounts", but if they're just using the accounts to pump the stock then wouldn't they still leave a trail back to themselves since they would have needed to own the stock in one of their own accounts in the first place?

      The authorities would just need to look at the owners of these stocks who owned the stock before the hype and then see who sold during the hype. One time would be a coincidence, but if they were found doing that more than once then it'd be awfully suspicious.

  18. Re:instead of banning everything by larry+bagina · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Consider this: Slashdot is supposedly full of intelligent people. I expect around 0% would buy viagra or penis enlargement pills from a spam that can't even spell them correctly. Yet in every story about stock spam (including this one), around 50% of the comments are people who think you could make money by a) shorting the spammed stock(1) or b) buying the stock and then selling it after it goes up 5% (2).

    1. For penny stocks/pink sheets, shorting is pretty much impossible
    2. The same rationale of every other buyer. You're not as smart as you think you are.
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  19. Why is bullishalerts.com still around? by mumblestheclown · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you do research (via google) on almost any stock spam email you get, you will undoubtedly find yourself either at or reading a press release by 'bullishalerts.com'. For the life of me, I don't understand why this company / website still exists. It's clearly somehow intimately related with the spam as this place just happens to put out and then widely distribute through the web (as opposed to email) all sorts of press releases and other nonsense coiincidentally timed with waves of equivalent spam. the thing is, this is not some website in Nauru - they claim to have an office in downtown Philadelphia. The website, complete with vague nonsense crap and 8th grade writing sort of hints at the caliber of people running it - so why in hell hasn't the FTC or SEC done something?