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Why Dell Won't Offer Linux On Its PCs

derrida sends us to an article in the Guardian by Jack Schofield explaining why he believes Dell won't offer Linux on its PCs. In the end he suggests that those lobbying Dell for such a solution go out and put together a company and offer one themselves. Quoting: "The most obvious [problem] is deciding which version of Linux to offer. There are more than 100 distros, and everybody seems to want a different one — or the same one with a different desktop, or whatever. It costs Dell a small fortune to offer an operating system... so the lack of a standard is a real killer. The less obvious problem is the very high cost of Linux support, especially when selling cheap PCs to naive users who don't RTFM... and wouldn't understand a Linux manual if they tried. And there's so much of it! Saying 'Linux is just a kernel, so that's all we support' isn't going to work, but where in the great sprawling heap of GNU/Linux code do you draw the line?"

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  1. This has been answered many times by El+Cubano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The most obvious [problem] is deciding which version of Linux to offer. There are more than 100 distros, and everybody seems to want a different one -- or the same one with a different desktop, or whatever.

    This has been answered many times. The people who know enough to know that they want a different distro can figure out how to get it on there. Therefore, they can pick a noob-friendly distro (like Fedora or Ubuntu), thereby guaranteeing the existence of drivers for the hardware. The rest of us who want to be all l33t and install Debian, Gentoo or even Linux From Scratch can figure it out ourselves.

  2. Re:Ignorance is just so wonderful to see in action by sconeu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dell supports windows all the time, as part of their business, and you presume to say they don't know how it's done?

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    Based on my one time calling tech support (in Bangalore, I assume), Yes, I'd be willing to say that they don't know how it's done!
    </ANECDOTAL>

    OK, They know how it's done (let script monkeys handle the caller), but they don't know how it's done *RIGHT*.

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  3. Re:Ignorance is just so wonderful to see in action by Canordis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope parent is merely a troll (Grandma + config file is rapidly turning into a troll meme) but I'll bite. 1998 called; they want their lack of GUI configuration tools back.

    On my Ubuntu box, I have had to manually edit configuration files to do two things:

    • Install and configure beta software
    • Install and configure Apache + MediaWiki
    • Configure Vi
    The one other type of config file I've had to edit regularly in the recent past are xorg.conf files. A computer that comes with Linux preinstalled would never need xorg.conf twiddlery; reconfiguring it when you upgrade your graphics cards isn't a particularly difficult thing to do (If you're the sort of person who is likely to upgrade your own hardware, then you can do it).

    The real reason Dell won't offer Linux PCs is plainly that it's not a good deal for them. It would mean more expensive Windows licenses, and it would mean less money for them from all the people paying them to bundle crapware with their boxes. The only way to have good, high-quality Linux PCs is to have an OEM willing to sell nothing but Linux boxes. Preferably one willing to sell well-designed, high-end computers and laptops with fully compatible hardware and pre-installed, thoroughly tested desktop environments and proprietary format support. Hopefully, packaged with a nice manual and long-term tech support for a particular set of "supported" packages too (Like Canonical does with Ubuntu).

    Hey, I can dream.

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  4. Re:Ignorance is just so wonderful to see in action by mad.frog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    reconfiguring it when you upgrade your graphics cards isn't a particularly difficult thing to do

    Bzzt, wrong answer.

    I've said it before, I'll say it again:

    If you want Linux to be mainstream-friendly, one of the absolute must-haves is that the user must NEVER EVER EVER, any any circumstances, have to either (1) edit a text config file by hand, or (2) use the command line.

    No exceptions, no "most of the time" situation, no "power users only" weasel words. Config files and command lines are OK for developers, but not for mainstream users -- end of story.

    I'll get flamed for it, but I speak the truth.

  5. She is ignored. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unless you think configuring using the registry, the necessity of the installation of antivirus and firewalls (with all their arcane messages and terminology) and all what implies using a Windows machine is infused at birth.

    Some folks around here seem to think that Windows is *naturally* easy.

    I have got news for you guys, it isn't. But this is masked by the myriad of people mildly familiar with it.

    Grandmas that are introduced to Linux as their first computing experienc (hi mum!) can cope perfectly well with the tool of the penguin, and people suggesting otherwise are patronizing ageists.

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  6. Re:Ignorance is just so wonderful to see in action by advocate_one · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Grandpa here is fifty... and has been using computers since 1975, Linux since 1999. Grandpa here was programming in Fortran using punched card stacks when he was in Uni back in 1975. Some of us grandparents have far more experience that you. Some of us grandparents are still programming. I'm a systems analyst... I write the req specs for the codemonkeys to code up...

    My father is 76, he was programming back in 1965 on the BMEWS systems

    Just because some of you have ignoramusses for parents and grandparents does not mean all parents and grandparents are clueless when it comes to IT...

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  7. Re:The answer's pretty simple by Smidge204 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It matters because soon as a major PC manufacturer starts shipping machines without the Windows tax, we can finally get some real competition in the OS world (how ironic that if I want to try free Linux, I usually have to buy Windows - which comes with my PC - and I can't get a discount if I don't want Windows).

    You're right, because it's absolutely impossible to acquire a PC without Windows these days.

    Maybe nobody wants to mass market them because they're *gasp* not in demand! Shame on them for not basing their business decisions on your personal ideology. I mean, really...
    =Smidge=