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Scientists Threatened For "Climate Denial"
Forrest Kyle writes "A former professor of climatology at the University of Winnipeg has received multiple death threats for questioning the extent to which human activities are driving global warming. '"Western governments have pumped billions of dollars into careers and institutes and they feel threatened," said the professor. "I can tolerate being called a skeptic because all scientists should be skeptics, but then they started calling us deniers, with all the connotations of the Holocaust. That is an obscenity. It has got really nasty and personal." Richard Lindzen, the professor of Atmospheric Science at Massachusetts Institute of Technology [...] recently claimed: "Scientists who dissent from the alarmism have seen their funds disappear, their work derided, and themselves labelled as industry stooges. Consequently, lies about climate change gain credence even when they fly in the face of the science."'"
....that industry shills might resent being labeled as industry shills.
You don't get anywhere in science by ignoring evidence, improperly addressing issues regarding evidence, or telling people to simply not talk about evidence.
My feeling is that the majority of these guys are presenting and interpreting data the same way that big tobacco dealt with the data link between tobacco and cancer. In other words, improperly.
In the case of Al Gore he's a nit-wit. Everywhere he's spoken about global warming has set record low temperatures on the day of his speech.
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Bah whatever, I don't see much of science from him but some complaints about how he is a victim and the such. Seems he has as much of a hard time proving he was threatened to death as he has to prove that this whole global warming stuff is just a cycle.
Whatever happened to real scientists, I am kind of tired of how politized this became. Fact is the world's average temperature got higher. And the climate has really become crazy you might check this year's news about weather and stuff if you like.
Current evidence points out that the green house effect should be taken seriously. And there's little research from scientists to get another conclussion. There is a big chance that the unnatural increase of CO2 which is a worldwide change to the atmosphere might be affecting the world's temperature, we could even guess that changing a planet's atmosphere has effect on the planet...
Shall reducing emissions be the solution? Who knows? I doubt we have time to fix the issue, maybe gore would have helped the environment more if he brought this during the clinton period instead of trying to use as an electoral campaign...
But CO2 is not the only thing industries are dumping into the air, and eventually they getting cleaner might become the best option both for the environment and the economy.
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Greenpeace and the initial environmental movement was a truly noble cause. I am very happy to see the progress that has been made to clean up the pollution of streams and rivers, reduction of smog and sulfur emissions from factories and power plants, reduced tailpipe emissions, etc.
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But now that we've 'solved' these problems, the Environmental Movement has become the Environmental Industry that is making more and more shrill claims that have little to no basis in either science or reality. They have to if the new employees of the Environmental Industry want to keep their jobs. The most absurd is that CO2 is causing global warming where all the evidence and hard proof shows that the rise of CO2 levels in the atmosphere is a lagging indicator of global climate change... a lagging indicator by 800 years. Yet they still claim that the link between atmospheric CO2 levels and global warming are directly connected - and leave their audience to conclude that the rise of CO2 caused the rise in temperature, when in fact the exact opposite is the case. Rising global temperatures will cause a gradual increase in CO2.
Look at it this way: to burn a carbon atom, you must combine 1 carbon atom with 2 oxygen atoms to make the CO2 molecule. If CO2 was in fact rising at the dangerous rate that some claim, we would actually be running out of oxygen. We should be screaming to save the oxygen! The thing is that the entire carbon myth is simply that, a myth.
When you overlap the global climate changes with the solar activity and sun spots, it is an absolutely perfect match. The trends overlap each other and fit together perfectly. Yet, somehow people REFUSE to believe that Global Warming is actually caused by, of all things, THE SUN!
Holy crap! The SUN is actually responsible for Global Warming? STOP THE PRESSES!!!
Don't listen to me though, decide for yourself:
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That's funny, I seem to recall that Al Gore was calling for censorship of anybody who disagreed with his climatology viewpoint. Was I wrong?
Insightful? Jesus, the moderators are on crack. We've got enough carbon and methane left un-burned to do a lot more damage. Peak oil is just a market term which describes demand outstripping supply. The actual amount of oil we have left is roughly equal to the amount of oil we've already burned. We're not running out of oil soon, but we are running out of *enough* oil soon. Peak Oil doesn't refer to running out of oil, it's referring to the sharp market changes which will happen when the inelastic demand far exceeds the rate at which we can supply the oil.
Besides having as much oil as we've already used, we've got hundreds of years of coal in the US, and when the temperatures rise methane trapped in the permafrost will be added to the mix. It's also possible that crystalline formations of methane on the ocean bottom might be released into the atmosphere.
If all that happens, well, get used to a planet where trees are something you see only in the fossil record.
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The "day after tomorrow" movie you mention is a work of fiction. Maybe you got it confused with "An Inconvenient Truth", the documentary by Al Gore that paints a much less dim (and more realistic) picture of our situation.
So your assertion that Al Gore thinks that it's all doom and gloom forever is obviously incorrect. Your assertion that environmentalists are psychopaths (like those who murder doctors) is just silly, and makes you sound a bit loony. However, the most ridiculous part of your post is where you accuse science of replacing religion, as if there wasn't enough evidence of the opposite happening (ID, stem cell debacle, anti-GW fanaticism).
Death threats are very bad, but you can get death threats for just about anything these days. It does not prove the vast conspiracy postulated in TFA.
But Kyoto stands as a symbol that the hippies dont really want to halt pollution, but profit from it like Robin Hood. America pollutes, but America is also the leader in anti-pollution measures. It is only because half of our society cant stand a harsh word said against it, and would give their last Lexus to be considered "with-it" that they get away with this garbage.
Is the earth warming? Who the fuck cares, if I cant pay for a bag of ice to cool my ass because the hippies took my money for a fucking wind farm?
Oh go fuck yourself. The data I'm citing is the entire body of research conducted to date. It's pointing in a specific direction.
The people who are saying that it's pointing another direction are political agents, who are selfish pricks. The only thing I need to do here is to point out what kind of chicken shits you are, that you're uneducated morons, just like creationists.
If you're upset about the swearing, then you're really going to be mad when I ejaculate in your nostril. Eat a bowl of cock. The climate is changing, the data is indicating more and more strongly that it's caused by human activity, and we're going to have to fix the problem or die.
I'm not going to let a little cocksucker like you kill me or my fellow human beings because you're a selfish bastard. Fucking ass.
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Boy have you ever touched an area of denial there. The Global-Warmingists will tell you with a perfectly straight face that weather is chaotic but climate is not, of course they can't tell you what "secret-sauce" does the magic.
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"Humans tend to think that the span of our lifetimes are significant, when in the scope of Universe, our lifespans, and indeed human life on this planet are nothing but a blip, a footnote, a grain of sand on the beach."
This is true. You are fundamentally unimportant. Now go and shoot yourself in the head.
Nobody here will care.
Anyway, what you call a strawman, others call what YOU CANT PROVE, which is why none of you hippies ever try. You through out a bunch of OPINIONS, but yet no proof. CO2 levels? How did it happen on Venus without humans to fuck them up? Tell me? You cant, you wont, so all you have left is attack.
Face it hippie, we are on to you.