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Microsoft XML Fast-Tracked Despite Complaints

Lars Skovlund writes "Groklaw reports that the Microsoft Office XML standard is being put on the fast track in ISO despite the detailed complaints from national standards bodies. The move seems to be the decision of one person, Lisa Rachjel, secretariat of the ISO Joint Technical Committee, according to a comment made by her."

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  1. Re:hmm by mollymoo · · Score: 4, Informative

    MS's XML should be marked and tagged as standard ASAP -- that way, when Office 2010 rolls around, OpenOffice 3.0 can simply say "we put out docs according to MS's standard. If it doesn't work, it's THEIR fault."

    The problem with Microsoft's "standard" is that in many places it says things like "do what Word 5.0.3 does in when in double-line-spaced mode" without saying just what that means. The specification for Microsoft's XML format is not in the standards documents, it exists in only one place - the source code for Microsoft Word. Making a fully compliant implementation of Microsoft's XML format when you haven't got access to the Word codebase is therefore virtually impossible.

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  2. You won't get what you want from MS Office XML by twitter · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'd rather have a published standard for microsoft interoperation via XML file formats then the old .doc & .xsl files.

    This too seems to be the M$ party line - the magic of XML is better than their old secret formats. It's bogus, of course, because their new XML is as poorly defined as any of their formats. If M$ was interested in interoperability, they would use ODF and make a converter using their knowledge of their crusty old standards. It's an impossible task because their old "standards" were contradictory to begin with. At the end of the day, the old formats are doomed to well deserved neglect, and there's no reason M$ could not just publish everything about them and let their former users translate things for themselves.

    There's so much double talk around this issue, it's not even funny.

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  3. Published Standard != Transparent or Open by mpapet · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's kind of like .doc only with obfuscation and litigation clearly called out.

    What you fail to realize is the published standard in this case is handcuffed to an arsenal of undocumented licensed components.

    From http://www.microsoft.com/interop/osp/default.mspx

    Q: Why doesn't the OSP apply to things that are merely referenced in the specification?

    A: It is a common practice that technology licenses focus on the specifics of what is detailed in the specification(s) and exclude what are frequently called "enabling technologies."

    Hmmm... So the specification alludes to closed and undocumented "enabling technologies" without specifying them OR licensing them. Same old Microsoft.

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  4. Have you read the ECMA responses? by Spikeles · · Score: 3, Informative

    Having read TFA and the PDF of the ECMA responses to the complaints, i can see why they decided to fast-track it, many of the complaints by countries are thoroughly debunked as misunderstandings of the specification. The rest are supposed to be resolved during the 5 month process.

    As for TFA, they started out talking about fast-tracking the standard, then went on about totally unrelated and unsubstantiated stories about intimidation.

    I may be flamed for it, but i call FUD on the part of Groklaw for this "story", the process is working as intended.

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  5. Re:hmm by init100 · · Score: 2, Informative

    What this is about is getting the format accepted by ISO.

    So that Microsoft can go to those governments that have declared that they will only use document formats that ate international standards and say "Look, look, ISO standard" (pointing to Open XML). "Now you can stay with safe Microsoft instead of going for that strange communist OpenOffice.org".

  6. Re:hmm by igb · · Score: 2, Informative

    Have you seen any ISO 9001 certificates? The idea of going ISO is to be able to certify and advertise you compliance. There is no 97% compliance certificate!
    The management systems, starting with 9000 and spanning things like 14001 environment, 18001 safety/health and 27001 security, have audit as an integral part of the process. That's not true of the other ISO standards: there isn't a process for having your `ISO' C Compiler certified, and there isn't an audit process. There are test suites, but no certifications.