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Hummer Greener Than Prius?

An anonymous reader sends in a story from Central Connecticut State University, claiming that a Prius takes more energy to manufacture than a Hummer — 50% more. In addition, the article claims that the Prius costs $3.25 per mile over its expected lifespan of 100,000 miles compared to $1.95 per mile for the Hummer. The article gets its data from a study by CNW Marketing called Dust to Dust, which is an attempt to account for all the costs of vehicles, from manufacture through operation through repair and disposal. The $3.25/mile cost quoted for the Prius is the 2005 number; for 2006 it is $2.87. This improvement pulled the Prius below the straight industry average — all the other hybrids are still above that average. And the Hummer is not listed at all for 2006. Update: 03/21 00:44 GMT by J : You might want to take those figures with a grain of salt; I don't think anyone's seen the supporting data. Read on for details.

J adds:

The Prius's mediocre cost-per-mile is due mainly to CNW Research assigning the car a short expected lifetime: 109,000 miles. Nobody knows where this number comes from because CNW has not published details about its derivation. If a car will not last very long, then of course its energy cost per mile is high.

Back in July 2006, when CNW's study "Dust to Dust" had just been published (and which remains, unchanged, the original source for today's news), I emailed its president, Art Spinella:

Hello,

I'm with the tech news and discussion site Slashdot.org. One of our readers submitted a story about your Dust to Dust study.

According to Wikipedia, the Prius comes with a 150,000 mile warranty in California and a few other states; 100,000 elsewhere.

On p. 21 and p. 40 of your report I see that you estimate the average Prius will be "removed from the streets... and sent for disposal" at 109,000 miles. Can you explain how you arrived at this figure?

Thank you.

I did not receive a reply.

My question was about the cost-per-mile denominator; here's another critique questioning the numerator.

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  1. Not true by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hummers may be more energy efficient, but how are they supposed to make you feel morally superior to others?

    Think about it.

    1. Re:Not true by mdm-adph · · Score: 3, Funny

      It was a non-issue for the data, since the genital superiority factor effectively nullifies it.

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    2. Re:Not true by try_anything · · Score: 4, Funny

      Of course you have to assume a vacuum; they asked a physicist, not an engineer. The physicist also assumed a spherical Hummer....

  2. Re:Greener and manlier by spun · · Score: 5, Funny

    What woman wouldn't prefer a guy who already has a hummer, and thus doesn't need any from them?

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    - None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
  3. Re:Greener and manlier by Evanisincontrol · · Score: 2, Funny

    (Score:0, Funny)

    This score is a combination of (+1, Funny) and (-1, Environment-Destroying-Hummer-Owner). However, no one cares about the complaints of hippie mods, so the +1 Funny takes precedence.
  4. nonsense by rkww · · Score: 5, Funny

    As any physics major can tell you, it takes more energy to get an object moving than to keep it moving

    But I'm an engineering major, and I can tell you that that's only the case if you ignore air resistance.

    1. Re:nonsense by Associate · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, but what if that object is grasping the husk of a coconut with it's talons? And what if it takes two of those objects grasping the husk of a coconut with their talons?

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      Someone hates these cans.
    2. Re:nonsense by ettlz · · Score: 4, Funny

      African or European?

  5. Another advantage of the Hummer . . . by StefanJ · · Score: 5, Funny

    When gasoline goes to $5.00 a gallon, it makes for a better garden shed than a Prius. Or a better place to sleep, if you bought your house with a interest-only loan.

    * * *

    So, is the Prius like a power plant in Sim City 2000? The second it hits 100,000 miles it falls apart?

    Who made this crap up, the Club For Growth, the American Enterprise Institute, or the Hummer Fans of America?

  6. Re:Well amount of Energy != Green by spun · · Score: 5, Funny

    since we're ultimately fuelled by carbon from plants,

    Not my boss. He's such a tight-ass, he eats coal and shits diamonds.

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  7. Re:Greener and manlier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    women prefer guys like me (hummer owner)

    It must be painful to admit you're not attractive to women without the truck. Sorry to hear that, shorty.

  8. Re:Just because you don't see it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Are you calling my 88 corsica a mexican taxi?

  9. Re:US$329,000 to operate a Prius 100,000 miles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    $750 Type-R sticker
    $8,000 kick-ass stereo
    $15,000 gold-plated spinners
    $50,000 leather upgrade
    $75,000 extreme edition paint job
    $5,000 iPod upgrade
    $45,000 blu-ray player / hdtvs
    $6,250 led lights
    $30,000 SCO Unix extreme edition
    $50,000 extra bling bling to attract chics and make my bros jealous
    -------
    $285,000 grand total

    later,
    K.Fed

  10. Re:wtf? by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    believed to be the remnants of a 1.85-billion year old meteorite impact crater.

    Wikipedia lies. Everyone knows the earth was created 6,000 years ago!

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  11. Re:Greener and manlier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "guys who are trying to compensate for a tiny penis?"

    Get real. Some of us *need* a Hummer just so we can haul our huge penis around.

  12. Re:Greener and manlier by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't know, but the woman who wouldn't is invited to drop me an email...

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  13. Re:Greener and manlier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    An elephant is walking through the jungle and hears terrorized squeaks. Curious, he goes to investigate and finds a mouse stuck in quicksand.

    "Here," says the elephant, "I'll pull you out. Grab my dick." The elephant pulls the mouse out and goes on his way.

    A week later the same mouse hears trumpeting and all sorts of noise. Investigating, he finds the elephant caught in the same quicksand hole. "I'll help you!" he says. "Just hang on!"

    The elephant thinks he's a goner - what can a mouse do?

    The mouse comes back with a humvee and a chain, and pulls the elephant out.

    The moral of the story is, if you drive a hummer it's OK to have a little dick.

  14. What does that make you? by Petersko · · Score: 4, Funny

    I bike to work *and* I own a Prius. What does that make me?

    ...never invited to parties?

    (ba-dum-chi!)

  15. Real 4x4 Vehicles ... by mvea · · Score: 3, Funny

    Any real 4x4 like a Jeep Wrangler or the Hummer H1 are greener than everything else on the road for one very obvious reason: neither vehicle requires the world be covered in asphalt. A Prius or any other eco-friendly, high MPG vehicle on the other hand isn't going to get very far without chopping down forests, blasting through mountain ranges and otherwise laying waste to the environment for a "road".

    http://www.omninerd.com/

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    When you understand your disbelief in other gods, then you will understand my disbelief in yours.
  16. Re:Greener and manlier by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Funny
    "You guys are dorks! Women aren't attracted to any of you who think you have to have a big dick!! Guess what?! Its not about that, obviously you haven't figured that out yet! HA!"

    Yup...you are correct. It is all about money.

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  17. Re:Your joking right? by MadUndergrad · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think you're wife is spot on with that theory.

    In an unrelated note, my car is approximately 4 feet high and weighs only 2200 pounds...

  18. Re:Your joking right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Wake up. You slept through the alarm. You're late for school again and Mom's already waiting in the caravan.

  19. Re:wtf? by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 2, Funny
    There was a good sketch (from the mid 80s, and Australian, but still holds true - hint, "GPO" = General Post Office, usually located in "central downtown") - I can't remember word for word, but includes priceless lines like:

    "And then they and their family travel down to the national park for a Sunday barbeque. The national park is around about 5 mi from the GPO - so you can well understand why they need a 4WD to get there."

    "And then round about 4pm, Dad will round up the kids and send them to the creek to get a few buckets of mud to splash on the 4WD"

    "And of course countless bush survival television shows have told them to always travel in convoy, in case you get stuck in a situation. Like your air conditioning gets stuck on hot, or your cassette player chews your Billy Joel collection."