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FFXIII Exclusivity Under Discussion

In an interview between a French-language newspaper and Sony Computer Entertainment France president Georges Fornay, he revealed that FFXIII's exclusivity is still under discussion. Gamespot reports, and attempted to check with Square-Enix about the reality of this situation. If the high-profile RPG's exclusivity is not a lock for the PS3, it could be a crushing blow for Sony's future plans. "The development costs of games have exploded, and it has become more difficult to have exclusives, outside of our own games. But we have for launch day [in France] 30 games, including MotorStorm, Resistance: Fall of Man, and Virtua Fighter 5. Moreover, we are expecting 200 games [for the PS3] by the end of 2007...As far as Final Fantasy XIII goes, I can tell you that the exclusivity is in discussion."

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  1. is Final Fantasy still relevant? by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I guess X was a big hit, but I don't think "final fantasy" resonates the way it did. I don't know if the franchise still guarantees a hit.

    I haven't played the latest (XII), but there's been a lot of crap games (X-2), media/merch crap (advent children, spirits within).

    I'd think another player would have toppled FF off the tip of the RPG mountain by now.

    I just don't see how a exclusive lock on final fantasy is as lucrative as it once was (like it was with VII).

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    1. Re:is Final Fantasy still relevant? by malevolentjelly · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think Final Fantasy is still very relevant. It's the watermark for which system will be the "J-Rpg System". That's a big deal to a large variety of gamers.

      This news, of course, comes as no surprise. Sony doesn't have the financial or install base to finance AAA+ super-titles like Final Fantasy. They're going to want a piece of 360's fat North American/European/Aus market share. Final Fantasy has a massive following in all these regions.

    2. Re:is Final Fantasy still relevant? by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Final Fantasy is like a genre unto itself, and like the FPS genre, has gotten so pigeonholed that it's marginalized a lot of its original fan base right out of playing it.

      It gets to the point that they can't innovate - the hardcore fanbase that's left expects certain things (common keyboard layout in FPS's, common spells based on "elements" in an RPG).

      I mean, the plot of any final fantasy game is, and has to be, exactly the same. The settings and characters change. But its still the same start in small town, meet party members, ride chocobo, get airship, collect 8 things, fight end boss.

      The spells, as I mentioned, are the same. The "summons" (might have a different name), are the same.

      It just gets a little less interesting each time around.

      I point to the fact that I haven't played, let alone bought, FFXII yet, and I was once a big fan of the series.

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    3. Re:is Final Fantasy still relevant? by 7Prime · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You'd think that... but nope. FF12 was a huge success, wild acclaim, won many "game of the year" awards, and brought a lot of innovations to the genre. If you're not into JRPGs, it's kinda hard to understand, I know, but it's just the way things are.

      I like to view video game sequels as more along the lines of albums by a band or composer [rather than like movie sequels]: some groups just keep getting better, some drop off, some come back again. I even know quite a few that, in their old age, release the most original stuff of their career (King Crimson, for example, whome are nearing their 40th anniversary). The Final Fantasy team(s) really have shown that they have what it takes. I expect them to continue making benchmark-worthy games for at least another decade. For one thing, they're not really sequels, in the traditional sense, as much as a mini-genre, since they have no connecting universe, story or characters, besides a few camios. So the developers can, and do, make huge changes from game to game... sometimes more than a whole genre will do in the same period of time.

      Besides Dragon Quest, no single-player RPG has ever come close to the acclaim that the Final Fantasy series has. The "Tales" series is probably the next closest of the genre, which is getting more and more publicity in the US, but even that has a long way to go.

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    4. Re:is Final Fantasy still relevant? by 7Prime · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't think "blow the pants off" is quite accurate. It does better, but Final Fantasy is still VERY popular, selling at least 80% of the DQ series. These are the #1 and #2 best selling series in Japan... being a strong #2 is not something to cry about.

      Also, in worldwide sales, Final Fantasy does, here, "blow the pants off" of Dragon Quest. The 360 is also the dominant system outside Japan. Porting a series that's very popular in the US to a platform that is selling very well in the US (and Europe), just seems like a good business strategy.

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    5. Re:is Final Fantasy still relevant? by twistedsymphony · · Score: 2, Informative
      maybe not the most popular of all time but look at that VG chart again and filter out portable systems and anything made before the N64/PS/Saturn generation and you'll find that DQ and FF filter right to the top. making the top 10 look like this:
      • Dragon Quest VII
      • Final Fantasy VII
      • Final Fantasy VIII
      • Dragon Quest VIII
      • Final Fantasy X
      • Final Fantasy IX
      • Gran Turismo
      • Final Fantasy XII
      • Final Fantasy X-2
      • Resident Evil 2
      While portables are still video games it's pretty much a different market... in terms of games that have sold well in the past and STILL sell well enough to reach the top of the charts today DQ an FF are it. Mario on the NES might be near the top but where is the GC's Mario on that list? The tubby plumber doesn't move consoles like he used to, certainly not as well as effeminate males with large swords. Not to mention FFXII was released just a few short months ago and it's already sold half as many copies as Mario on the NES has in over 20 years... I'd say that's some drawing power.
  2. I don't think I need to tell you... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...that the end of Final Fantasy console exclusivity (FF titles are on Nintendo's handhelds, and there's been PC versions of some games, but in general it's all Sony) would pretty much be the end of the Playstation 3. It's already suffering in the corner. People follow both companies and games, but the latter is more important at the end of the day. If you can play the same game for $100 less and have the same experience, which console are you going to buy?

    It seems to me that the two franchises that have been keeping Sony going are Gran Turismo and Final Fantasy. Turismo is their property, so they'll be able to hold that one. But if that's their only selling point, it's over. And since Sony is bringing out a $600 Blu-Ray standalone player, which is pretty much guaranteed to be a better player than than the PS3 no matter how good the PS3 is, that final non-game reason to buy a PS3 is going down the toilet if you don't also desire the gaming functionality.

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    1. Re:I don't think I need to tell you... by 7Prime · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not in the slightest. Square would have no way or reason to go multi-platform until now. FFX came out before the GameCube and Xbox even launched... what would they have gone to... back to the N64? No way, that's the one they ditched in the first place. The PS1/N64/Saturn generation was no contest, either. The N64 didn't have the media they needed, and the Saturn didn't have the robust 3D graphics processing they needed, Square had no choice. FF4, in its infancy, was designed with a patched NES engine. The SNES gave Square everything they needed in hardware. I guess they could have gone Sega... but their relationship with Nintendo was at their absolute peak.

      So no, there has never even been a choice, due to technical or marketing reasons, up until now. There would, therefor, be no reason for Square to "threaten" anyone to go multi, since noone would believe them.

      I can just hear the interchanges:

      Square: "Sony, give us a good deal on PS2 exclusivity"
      Sony: "or what? You're gonna go back to the N64?"
      Square: "...."

      Square-Enix: "Sony, give us a good deal on PS3 exclusivity"
      Sony: "or what? You're going to move over to the 360"
      Square-Enix: "That's about right"
      Sony: "....."

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    2. Re:I don't think I need to tell you... by StikyPad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think I need to tell you...

      that the end of Motorola processors would pretty much be the end of the Macintosh.

      Different argument, same logical fallacy. There is more to the PS3 than the exclusivity of a single title (or set of titles), and if FF___ is multiplatform then buyers will simply use other metrics to make their decision. I don't particularly care about Halo - Combat Rehashed, so that wouldn't affect my decision. I wouldn't want to have to buy a console AND an HD drive, so that's a strike against the 360. I want a console with enough power that it still looks relevant in 2-3 years. I like that I can run Linux on the PS3. Of course, I'm not everyone, but those are some examples off the top of my head. The point is not that the PS3 is better/worse than the 360, merely that title exclusivity is not a console's only merit. Personally, I buy on hardware features/overall capability rather than a given title's availablility, but that's why I'm a PC gamer (when I game).

    3. Re:I don't think I need to tell you... by _xeno_ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That, and Sony kinda sorta killed support for FFXI on current PS2 models. I'm not sure Square Enix ever really forgave them for that.

      Plus FFXI is already cross-platform for the PS2 (with hard drive), Xbox 360 (with hard drive), and PC (with Windows). So they've had some experience going cross platform before. (Although given how crappy the FFXI port on the PC remains, I hope they've learned some lessons...)

      In any case, I think there's a very real chance that FFXIII could be released for the Xbox 360. It wouldn't be the first time a Final Fantasy was released on the Xbox 360.

      (Although, again, the FFXI port kinda sucked.)

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    4. Re:I don't think I need to tell you... by 7Prime · · Score: 2, Informative

      Also, remember that FFVII and FFVIII were released on PC. I played both of them for the first time in that format, and aside from a few minor complaints, both worked great (the translation was, in fact, slightly improved in the PC version of FFVII).

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    5. Re:I don't think I need to tell you... by donaldm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Disk requirements to backup of a 320GB hard drive using a double sided disk (forget about a single sided disk). 1) CD - don't be silly, 2) DVD - 32 minimum, 3) Bluray - 6 minimum, 4) HD-DVD - 10 minimum. I will leave it to you to work out the cost but needless to say it is not going to be cheap. Now lets make it more interesting try backing up 1TB and your costs just went up three fold.

      It does not take much to work out that a CD is great for music, DVD is great for Standard Definition TV while Bluray or HD-DVD are aimed at the rapidly growing High Definition TV market. Using them as a backup media is going to get expensive, especially now that home users' storage requirements are approaching or well past 1TB.

      The only viable backup solution for the average home user is to backup to hard disk but this does not take into account fire, flood, theft .. etc and stupidity. Sure there is tape (the commercial industry standard) but that is not exactly cheap and neither is HVD (Holographic Versatile Disk) which hopes to replace tape in the fairly foreseeable future.

      So what do we do for home backups? The cheapest solution is a hard disk (or disks) backup system and hope.

      I personally have never had any issues with Sony since I have never been forced to purchase their products but I don't think Bluray is going to be much use as a backup medium given the ever increasing storage requirements of the home PC market.

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  3. This could mean a lot of things. by Rycross · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This could mean several things.

    1) FFXIII isn't exclusive, and Sony is now in talks to lock it in.
    2) FFXIII was exclusive, but they're considering taking it cross-platform, and Sony is trying to get them to stay the course.
    3) FFXIII is exclusive, but Microsoft/Nintendo are trying to convince them to port it.
    4) Insert more here.

    That being said, if they do defect, it would be a serious blow to Sony. Ace Combat has already switched over entirely (now 360 exclusive), and Devil May Cry is cross platform. The list of AAA exclusives is dwindling. I think they're sitting at, first party titles (God of War), Ratchet and Clank, MGS4, and FFXIII.

    If FFXIII defects, then that combined with Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon might be enough to start swaying the Japanese market. It would be a very strategic title for Microsoft to acquire. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Microsoft has been leaving suitcases full of cash at Square's doorstep if this turns out to be accurate.

    1. Re:This could mean a lot of things. by 7Prime · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I highly doubt it... although as an owner of a Wii and not of a 360, I would be very happy if that were the case.

      No, FF13 requires really really high resolution graphics, and even I am not about to argue that the Wii could handle anywhere close to that. With the lavish graphics we've been seeing (even if the bulk of which are pre-rendered), downgrading to the Wii's graphical capabilities would piss a lot of people off, and Square's long-time success has come from making fans happy. Now, it's not completely unthinkable that S-E might make a lower-res version for the Wii, as well. In fact, that makes some sense, since this may mean the end of the PS3, which means that the Wii automatically dominates Japan. Even if FF13 were to go to the 360, it isn't a given that Japan would start buying up 360s overnight... but they sure as hell wouldn't buy PS3s.

      We're witnessing 1996 all over again, here: consoles hanging in the balance with a Final Fantasy. The fact is, even if Final Fantasy games are NOT sone of the all-time best selling games (outside Japan), the fanbase is so dedicated that it WILL sell many many consoles. It, and Dragon Quest, are really the only 3rd party series that really has the ability to pull the strings like this.

      I know one thing, if I were a JRPG developer right now like Namco-Banai, I'd shitting myself waiting for the shoe to drop (Namco would most likely go Nintendo, as they've done in the past, especially isn't most of their series aren't based around eye-candy).

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  4. Re:Last time I checked... by Rycross · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They may not have much say in the decision, but being in such a high level executive position probably puts him in the communication chain to hear about such a decision. I'm sure that if there were problems with FFXIII exclusivity, that the issue would make the email rounds among high level executives. Its naive at best to suggest that because he's in charge of the French division that he would have no way of knowing.

  5. Re:Dream On Xbots by Rycross · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I remember the Sony fanboys saying the exact same thing about a Devil May Cry 4 port, despite your insistence that it was obvious. XBox and PS3 are, currently, neck to neck graphically.

  6. Re:Dream On Xbots by EGSonikku · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's strange, can you point me to a post anywhere claiming that DMC4 was 'gimped' looking prior to the announcement it would be on the Xbox 360 as well? In fact, I recall everyone claiming the game looked too good to be done on the 360!

    I guess being a Sony fan these days is like being a Republican. Every 5 minutes you need to revise past statements and claim that you new belief has always been your belief.

    Oh, and just try and call me a fanboy:
    http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/8692/00001re2.j pg

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  7. Think I just felt the earth shake... by 7Prime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...nope, that was Sony stock falling.

    But seriously, I'm not in the least bit surprised. In fact, I've been expecting FF13 to go cross-platform for quite some time now. Square has more reason to go cross-platform, now more than ever before. When they were with Nintendo, they were pretty tight, and were more intimately familliar with their hardware design. They switched to Sony only because Nintendo screwed them with the N64. FFX came out long before the XBox or GameCube, and even FF12 was in progress while those consoles were in their infancy. And up until now, there hasn't been any direct competition with Sony that revolved around the exact same user-base. That's changed... and we have two very similar consoles, with similar (or at least potentially similar) install bases. The fact that Square has already jumped ship on many other titles, makes me think they're not adverse to doing so with any... and it just seems the safest, and most ecconomical, to do so.

    There's only one line of reasoning as to why they would be better off remaining exclusive. That is that if the PS3 were to fail, the resistance to the 360 in Japan may not simply go away over-night... meaning NO ONE would have a system capable of buying and playing FF13 on. If they were to port FF13 to the 360, the Japanese may simply ditch the series as well as the PS3, and go completely over to the Wii. Still, in the US, where Final Fantasy is the strongest, porting FF13 to the 360 would generate enormous sales, enough to counter any strange occurences that Japan might provide.

    I gave FF13 a 75% chance of going over to the 360, back in November... this news raises that to about 90%.

    It's going to go, let's just sit back and watch the fireworks.

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  8. FFXII by phorm · · Score: 4, Informative

    I would summarize it as: - Nicer battle system (more interactive, more realistic) - Lots of eyecandy - Poor transitions (from in-game to pre-rendered video, for example many boss attachs) However, it has these certain MMORPG overtones - Lots of repetitive tasks - Sidequests don't add much to the overall story value - Grind... And the plot is a bit lacking - Underdeveloped characters - Less believable characters - Pretty, but fluffy... However, the environment itself was rather nice. In the english version, the use of somewhat archaic language added somewhat to the game IMHO