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Google Perks Are Great, But They All Mean Business

megazoid81 writes "While there have been complaints of late, Google was recently named the best place to work according to the widely read annual Forbes survey, in its first appearance on the list. The plethora of perks at Google does make you wonder though what kind of hours the company expects its employees to keep. In the context of Google's perks, a Knowledge@Wharton article explains that there are two kinds of workers: segmentors and integrators. Segmentors want to maintain a strict separation between work and home while integrators don't mind mixing the two. The piece posits that segmentors might actually mind too many perks at their workplace and find their commitment eroding. Does Google have a disproportionate number of integrators in its workforce? What kind of worker are you — segmentor or integrator?"

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  1. Non-issue by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can you integrate sleep and work? Or sleep and pleasure? Not very well. Same with work and pleasure. You need down time to throw everything away and see to your higher-order needs, or they will come up wanted (read: affect your work).

    Clock out time, that's it. Turn the machine off, leave the building, and forget about it until 9am. If your business can't handle that, they obviously need more staff.

    1. Re:Non-issue by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or sleep and pleasure?
      Someone has never had a wet dream.
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    2. Re:Non-issue by Valdez · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't know about you, but my GF seems to pretty adept at integrating her sleep with my pleasure. =(

    3. Re:Non-issue by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      "The occasional project over my allocated time or missing one break here or there is ok. But I will almost always make it up by leaving early one day or taking a few minutes longer break the next chance I get."

      Same here...Amen.

      Don't get me wrong, I enjoy my work....but, I only work to have money to support my free time to do what I wish (travel, buy toys, computers, women, homebrewing...etc). If I won the lottery tomorrow, I'd never work again a day in my life.

      Now...that's not to say that if I didn't have to work, I'd not do some things that might appear to be work or that might earn me extra $$'s....but, that is stuff I do for myself for fun.

      When the door hits me on the ass on the way out of work....my thoughts and concerns for work end THERE. I do not give it a 2nd thought in general, till I cross the threshold the next day. The worksite only has my thoughts when they pay me. I contract....so, this is the setup. I care about my work, I try my best to please the customer, and will go the extra mile when needed to get things going. But, never for free.

      Like I said, I enjoy my work like many here do...but, I don't understand how so many people make the work so much of their lives, and are actually willing to sacrifice their free time to spend with families, and friends doing things that are fun and good for the soul. People who go into deep depression and the like when they get get go, are sad. I'm not saying I'm thrilled when it has happened...but, I don't feel I lost a part of ME when it happened...my main concern is finding the next gig to keep the money flowing. It is, after all...just business, and putting a face other than that on it, IMHO, is unhealthy and unrealistic. The company sees you as nothing more than an asset (or liability)....you need to see them in the same light.

      But, I've realized that life IS short. Once you cross that age of realizing that you are no longer bulletproof, that you will slow down a bit...you see that spending time on you, for you is very important. There is so much to do and see in the world....and it ain't gonna get done sitting in a 3 wall cube 24/7. There is such thing as a life out there......get one.

      I don't think many people will be on their deathbeds regretting that they didn't get more OT in...especially if it is unpaid.

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    4. Re:Non-issue by AeroIllini · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are clearly a segmentor.

      I'm glad you're taking time out of your busy work day to post on Slashdot and espouse how being a segmentor is The Only Way (tm).

      Where's the +1 Irony mod?

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    5. Re:Non-issue by vokyvsd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Can you integrate sleep and work? Or sleep and pleasure? Not very well. Same with work and pleasure. You need down time to throw everything away and see to your higher-order needs, or they will come up wanted (read: affect your work).

      Clock out time, that's it. Turn the machine off, leave the building, and forget about it until 9am. If your business can't handle that, they obviously need more staff. That's a fallacious argument. "Ability to integrate with" is a non-transitive relationship, and sleep is a particularly good example of why this is so. Here's your reasoning applied to another example: Sleep can't be integrated with baking cookies, and sleep can't be integrated with talking on the phone, therefore baking cookies can't be integrated with talking on the phone.

      Also, it's not impossible for your higher order needs to be fulfilled by work. In fact, I would say it is the most likely place where self-actualization will occur. Compartmentalizing your life and writing off work as dead time (as far as high order needs is concerned) seems extremely unhealthy. Maybe you need a better job.
    6. Re:Non-issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Jerk, God doesn't send people cancer. People get cancer because cell replication is an imperfect process. It's not a higher message, it's just a disease.

      It's disgusting when people pretend a disease is a good thing just so that they can believe that everything in life has a purpose.

    7. Re:Non-issue by JavaRob · · Score: 4, Funny

      You know how people say 'you shouldn't post anonymously except in a few, rare situations'?
      Well, this was one of those situations.

  2. Too simple by JanneM · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The division is easy, but too simplistic. I'm both: I do like to separate my work and my free time pretty cleanly. Because of that I actually appreciate my hour-long train commute as it creates a natural barrier and an external imposition to go to and from work at specified, reasonable hours.

    At the same time I really, _really_ like my work, so I tend to mull things over on my off time, and idly reading up on background stuff I find interesting (and that incidentally is really helpful for work).

    There is a real difference between wanting to be at work for long hours, and idly reflecting on interesting problems even when off duty.

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    1. Re:Too simple by WinterSolstice · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I agree - I hate the fact that my on-call work interferes with my weekends/nights/holidays. On the other hand, the relaxed and mellow atmosphere at my work is a nice trade-off for the on-call. So while I mind the intrusion of work into home, I appreciate that the inverse is also allowed. Balance is best.

      So I'd be a Seg/Int 60/40 split or some such :D

      I specifically chose a house with a 30 minute commute to help with that split.

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  3. Segmentation by Bicx · · Score: 4, Funny

    The only integration I'll ever do was in calculus class.

  4. The thing about programming/design by MarkKnopfler · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is the thing about programming in particular or creative engineering design in general. If you enjoy, or are into the work, it is very difficult to become a segmentor. Design and coding are very cerebral processes, and as it happens to me that I design and improve in my head whenever my brain finds a few free cycles. If I hit upon a good idea, I like to implement/try it immediately. Most of the better programmers/designers that I have seen do work in this mode. Hence having perks of this kind does help.
    Most of the segmentors that I have seen end up in marketing or man-management at the end, even if they might have started in core engineering because of a simple reason they do not enjoy the process.
    This of course is my opinion and there are exceptions, but exceptions are rare.

  5. Worries me by dmayle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've gotta say, each there is a story about working at Google, everyone seems to talk about how horrible the number of perks are because it must mean they expect you to work crazy hours, and I wonder how jaded we've become?

    How about this as an idea, maybe the perks aren't meant to make people work crazy hours but instead just make good business sense?

    • Doctors on site? Makes sure sick employees get better, and helps prevent healthy employees from getting sick
    • 20% Off-project time? I know that when I have a serious problem, it's usually solved by walking away from the issue at hand and focusing on something else, letting my brain solve it in the background. What's more, all those 20% projects become a great source for potential revenues.
    • Free food? By having their own cafeteria they can bring down costs, so it's less expensive than you might think for them, and they get the bonus of employees eating together, potentially discussing work, etc.

    And on top of all of this, it makes their employees really happy, and gets them really good press!

    I, for one, would be more than happy to talk to a recruiter at Google

  6. Segmentor ....now by Itninja · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At my last job I was the textbook integrator. I kept on top of email from home, preformed server admin stuff at all hours via VPN, and would even come in after hours when a got a server alert that needed attention. One day, I decided to add up all these extra hours. I was a salary employee, so it's not like I was getting paid extra to work overtime. I was shocked with the totals.

    During one calender year, I had worked over 200 unpaid hours. And, since they would have all been considered overtime hours and worth 1.5 regular hours, it totaled 300 hours' worth of lost wages. That's nearly two months worth of time!

    So I quit that job after 10 years (I'm kinda a slow learner), and found a company that insists I work no more than 40 hours a week. If I am called on work more, I get to make it up later. So now I am a segmentor. Work is work, home is home, and never the twain shall meet.

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  7. Integration Not Complete enough by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am an ideal integrator. I would love to work at a place that is completely integrated. I could work for google, have a google wife, 2.5 google kids, live in a google house, drive to google in my google car, drop of my laundry of google brand clothes at the google dry cleaners, eat at the googleteria, taking a break at 5 to go to the google bar to share a few drinks with my google friends, pick the kids up from google school, and head out for a night at the google opera with my google wife. That would be perfect. All of my needs would be met entirely.

    However, anything short of that requires me to segment my personal life from work. I need to fulfill the needs that work doesn't provide, requiring necessary non work related period. Perks would be nice, but not if they distract me for fulfilling the other needs. As the article says, they'd get in the way of my real life. At least thats what happened when I tried living a truly integrated workplace, very far from google. I went a whole month without leaving the compound's gates. Needless to say, I was not attending any operas with my wife. Which is why I had to leave. It was like 75% perfect, but anything short of perfection sucks.

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  8. Re:Hey I know that guy by Itninja · · Score: 4, Funny

    he's a nice guy, causes no trouble, but socially he's totally aloof
    I can't be sure, but that sounds like a serial killer to me. Or maybe you guys are all just a bunch of dicks.

    Just to summarize, there are only two possible reasons for his behavoir:

    1) He is a a serial killer

    2) You are dicks

    No other possible explanations that I can think of....

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  9. Re:Segmentor by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It doesn't have to be- but if anything as major in your life as your work (like, say, your marriage) is simply a means to an end rather than an end itself, in my view you seriously have to re-evaluate that part of your life.

    I don't think one should consider a job the same sort of commitment as a marriage. A job is an involvement, not a commitment. Like a breakfast of ham and eggs: the chicken is involved, the pig is committed.

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  10. Both! by DdJ · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm an Integrater from about 10am to about 4pm on work days, and a Segmentor the rest of the time.

  11. Re:Hate freaking buz words. by iluvcapra · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are two kinds of workplace analysts- segmentors and integrators:

    • Segmentors break workforces down into segmentors and integrators.
    • Integrators recognize that such distinctions only serve to generalize what is in fact a matter that an individual should resolve with his supervisor, and that identifying individuals as one or the other (or even at a point on a continuum) doesn't provide useful data in isolation.
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  12. Re:Mixing work+home == "you're fired" by dstone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not paid to share my personal life with people who have no right to know what I do on my own time, and who will take any advantage they can. ... The trick is just to shut up, and not bare your soul to would-be attackers.

    I read your last two posts on this topic and I see a lot of fear and defensiveness, but absolutely no JOY. What's the point? You say your job is a means to an end, but it's also probably one half of your waking weekday hours!

    Add in the time you might spend decompressing, venting, preparing, and discussing your job dissatisfaction at home, with friends, on on forums like this... and there's the proof that you HAVE integrated your job into your personal life. But in a negative way. This adds up. So in the "end", is it worth it?

    It is NOT normal to fear your all your fellow workers as "would-be attackers" and be forced to behave as a "vanilla" or "bland" person who is not really you. If you condition yourself to behave like someone else for 7.5 hours per day, you WILL be changed by it in all your off-work time.

  13. Google workers by Brandybuck · · Score: 4, Funny

    I know some google engineers, and they are expected to work very long hours. There's nothing in writing that says you have to be there all day, but the pressure is there. Sure the rules say you only have to work eight hours and wear thirteen pieces of flair, but if you want to be a true Googlan you should voluntarily work until the last shuttle to Caltrain leaves, and voluntarily wear as many pieces of flair that will fit on your ultrawide suspenders.

    Another "incentive" is even more subtle. You're told all day long by Slashdot and the tech media that you are a genius. You have to be a genius otherwise Google would never hire you. But you're not a genius, you're just the average software developer. So you have to prove to your boss that you're a genius. What you lack in the way of perceived intelligence you make up for through longer hours.

    Because Google is concerned for your well being and health, you won't die of a heart attack by age thirty. But you will be single by age thirty (either divorced or never married).

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