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Some Dinosaurs Made Underground Dens
anthemaniac writes "Scientists have long puzzled over how some dinosaurs and other creatures survived the asteroid impact that supposedly caused the KT mass extinction 65 million years ago and wiped out all the big dinosaurs. One idea has been that smaller animals, including mammals, could have endured the fallout, the big chill, the subsequent volcanoes, and whatever else by burrowing. Now scientists have come up with the first evidence of burrowing dinosaurs. They speculate that underground dens might explain how some dinosaurs got through long, dark winters at high latitudes, too."
The fake dinosaur bones that god put in the ground to test our faith were positioned in a what was made to appear as an underground burrow.
This all happened sometime last week.
...welcome our old burrowing dinosaur overlords
if the dinosaurs were so smart, how come they're dead?
...I wonder where the branch is that sprouted modern burrowing/hibernating reptiles and mammals. And where did the branch bifurcate to give rise to non-burrowing/hibernating mammals? To my best recollection, all reptiles hibernate in one fashopn or another.
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The images shown in the story are quite informative. Apparently, the http://images.livescience.com/images/070323_dino_s cale_02.jpg people's noses were much larger back then, too.
These burrowing dinosaurs must be from the species of Skeletal Dinosaurs we've found living underground for millions of years.
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Maybe they passed through a time portal into a warmer epoch and then jumped back after the terminal event had passed.
I thought they survived the KT extinction through the grace of Raptor Jesus http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Rap tor_Jesus
What do you want to bet that these dinosaurs lived in bigger "dens" than my apartment?
Over the long run, before all life is extinguished from Earth, I predict random forms of life will survive.
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This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
How does a burrowing dinosaur 91 million years ago prove or disprove anything about the asteroid impact 65 million years ago? I must have missed a leap of logic somewhere...
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When the great cataclysmic meteorite strikes, only those of us sequestered in basements playing WoW and hacking up patches to the Linux kernel will survive the impact. And, even more certainly, when the atmospheric plume of debris blocks out the sun, others will starve, and only we who subsist on inorganics such as cheetos and mountain dew will live to assert our genes in the remnant ecosystem.
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So, did dinosaurs have to endure those irritating "Duck and Cover" films in school, too?
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Humans probably wouldn't be here right now if not for the meteor that wiped out most predators on Earth. Primates probably wouldn't have had the opportunity to evolve....
Its quite possible that a mass extinction such as that would even be somewhat of a prerequisite for intelligent life to evolve somewhere in the universe.
I don't see why dinosaurs would have had to burrow to survive. I'm sure many dinosaurs died because they were close to the blast. But others were on the other side of the world. Global climate changed as a result of the impact, and most of the larger dinosaurs probably died of starvation. The smaller ones probably found enough to stay alive. Notably, most of the early mammals were also small.
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Dinosaurs are so 1st grade-ish. Must be a slow news day.
*Why* were dinosaurs the ones to be wiped out completely?
Mammals survived because they're small? There were small dinosaurs.
Fish survived because they're water-dwelling? There were water-dwelling dinosaurs.
Reptiles survived because...?!?
I'm sure it's more complicated than this, and that's why I'm asking -- can someone help me understand? Why every dinosaur on the planet, regardless of habitat/diet/size died, while so many non-dinosaurs survived?
yeah so getting through long dark winter is fine for non-hibernating animals, they just burrow down and then suddenly they don't need to eat any more, no matter that their prey / food-vegetation has gone, oh yeah and burrowing down is also a preventative against molten lava and thirst
no, no, i didn't RTFA, i got hungry and was too busy burrowing
We have a small flock of what I now call the "cluckeraptors", because they certainly *act* like I imagine dinosaurs would act. I mean, they may be small and feathery and soft looking, but watch them run around the yard and interact with each other and you can see how utterly ruthless and focused they are. A few primary drives to them and not much else. For instance if one of them gets injured or the least bit "off" or ill, the others will be merciless with them, it's like they can't stand weakness and translate that to "food". Fascinating to watch really. Lean down close and look a rooster right in the eye, you can see the miniature power there. If they were say ten feet tall or larger, yes indeedy they would be serious nasty predators.
The dinosaur in TFA, Oryctodromeus cubicularis, or "digging runner of the lair" may share some genes with the homo sapiens surviving this. This is probably office workers who work all hours and dont take much time outside. Maybe future archaeologists will name these new hominoids "homo cubicularis"
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Now scientists have come up with the first evidence of burrowing dinosaurs. They speculate that underground dens might explain how some dinosaurs got through long, dark winters at high latitudes, too.
I believe this proves it beyond a doubt.
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I find it odd that people get so angry when evolution is attacked. Science should be attacked so that science can be explored.I don't think that the fact that all things that exist in corralation to one another. Sand, water, air, creatures, plants, why are they in delicate balance>? Not to mention everything has a mathmatical base. And why do chemicals relate in solid, clear, reactions to one another? Why are there creatures that live in symbiotic relation with certain plants or parasites>? Why does everything although random still have a basic orderly base? Why do animals have genetic pools they come from, even though they vary, they still do not leave that pool, but instead point to a orgin of one set of animals. If evolution does exisit, that means man had to have had relations with a monkey in order to get more of the same species and a purifying of this to the human species we have now. In that case, that would mean that humans are but one of many apes and receding genes would have difinitive characteristics of true apes as the theory suggests. It was even shown on National Geographic that the origin of man has been traced to messopotamia. Believe in the existance of God or do not, science does not really clarify whether or not evolution is the answer. Species hopping seems so odd to me as a concept even after billions of years because you would see these traits no matter how remote in the genetic strain.As for a flood theory, there is evidence among world wide culture there was a flood. It would make sense if animals had procreated beyond their original set pool and variations had happened, then larger species for the most part would have died and climatic changes would have happened as well. Maybe not as we typically veiw a Biblical perspective but close enough. I veiw that slamming either side is rediculous. Look at science with an open mind and you get answers, there may be answers under your nose.
>This all happened sometime last week.
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Um, what now?
The fact that we have to make up *more* untestable stories
("Uh, they burrowed! Yeah, that explains it
the earlier untestable stories hold together means that
*other* people are dumb?
They are pretty primeval to be sure, that was the point, they have a few focused tasks. Even with the domestic chickens roosters have been known to be fairly fierce fighters, hence the deal with chicken fights around the world. I was just noting that something like that, totally wild and large, would be quite the predator.
Why am I picturing this as a Gary Larson cartoon, with the dinosaurs lounging in an underground "den" that has wood paneling and a big-screen TV?
I guess they were just men, not cavemen - at least until they'd evicted the previous occupants.
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Well, if dinosaur bones were planted by the Devil, as was the evidence of a super-ancient world and of an asteroid strike and mass dieoff, I suppose it makes sense to plant fake evidence that some dinosaurs burrowed and survived the asteroid.
Logic!
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Anytime "Intelligent Design" comes up, I end up marveling at how incredibly anal retentive the fundementalist god is/was. Really, who worships anal retentive childishly vindictive little creator types?
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Where is the reference to the mine shafts? The computer that will let the dinosaurs into the mines based on preselected criteria that will favor the leadership and military classes? The 10:1 female:male dinosaur ratio in the underground community?
Isn't it a bit convenient that there was a problem (how did they survive), a speculation (ugh, they digged holes), and sudden, subsequent discovery (hey, here are the burrowing buggers, or rather, digging dinosaurs).
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We used to carry a couple of burrowing dinosours in our school bag, we used them to distract the crocs while fording the river by strapping an inflated kanagroo gut to each arm. And hills! Don't alk to me about hills! We had bush tracks so steep that we often grazed our noses on the ground, and it was uphill BOTH ways!
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Many reptiles hibernate and even burrow in shallow mud: true. But they always have to come out sometime to feed and heat their bodies (cold-blooded). A burrowing dinosaur would have to do the same. And if there was a rapid change in temperature due to asteroid impact debris, then burrowing wouldn't really help that much. The temperature would still be "off" outside the burrow and the reptiles wouldn't be able to survive indefinitely inside a burrow. So, I don't see "burrowing" as a valid claim to reptile survival after the impact. There must be something else at work here. How do we explain the survival of modern reptiles? I don't know, but burrowing doesn't really add up for me.
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Humans probably wouldn't be here right now if not for the meteor that wiped out most predators on Earth. Primates probably wouldn't have had the opportunity to evolve....
Things don't evolve "given the opportunity." They evolve because the environment kills off the ones who don't. Do you think the advanced intelligence of the primate brain is due to sitting around all day waiting for bananas to fall off trees?
On the contrary, humans evolved in an environment absolutely chock-full of dangerous animals. We're talking saber-tooth cat, dire wolf, woolly mammoth, and of course all manner of lions, tigers, and bears, ALL larger and more terrifying than the ones we have today. If anything these dangers DROVE human evolution.
of course somehow I still doubt humans would be here if dinosaurs weren't wiped out. In fact most of these giant mounds of flesh wouldn't have made it with so many predatory, carnivorousness dinosaurs running around.