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Sony May Be Planning 80GB PS3

narramissic writes "Included in a filing made by Sony to the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) earlier this month regarding a change to the PlayStation 3's Bluetooth module is notification of a new PS3 game console with a higher-capacity hard-disk drive. From the cover letter: 'The model CECHE01 to be added by the difference of the capacity of hard disk.' It then says the new model will have an 80G-byte drive. Of course, Sony is downplaying these rumours, saying that 'Application to the FCC has been made with various possibilities in mind, however, it does not lead to a new product announcement at this time.'

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  1. Nothing New by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    People have been upgrading their HDDs on the PS3 since the day it came out. The HDD on the PS3 is user-replaceable so you can swap it with any 2.5 inch SATA drive you want. I personally swapped my 20GB drive for a 120GB 7.2K drive.

    1. Re:Nothing New by krotkruton · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not the size of the hard drive that counts; its the motion in the controller, but you can get a BIG hard drive if you feel the need for compensation.

      But seriously, I've got a PS3 and a Wii, and storage space was the last thing I was thinking about when I bought them. An 60GB or a 80GB PS3 translates to a $650 and a $700 PS3 (or most likely some other price over $650) as far as I'm concerned, and I think a lot of people feel the same way. Is that extra 20GB going to be worth the extra money? If they go through with it, this seems like a foolish move for Sony.

  2. Price War by HappySqurriel · · Score: 4, Funny

    Obviously ...

    After Microsoft announced an increase in the price of the price of the XBox 360, Sony decided to get into a price war with Microsoft so they're releasing a $679 Super-Duper PS3. Nintendo, obviously being the odd ball out of the three, refuses to get into this type of a price war.

    1. Re:Price War by GrayCalx · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hehehe you nailed it.

      inside Sony HQ

      Exec 1 : "Microsoft released a more expensive console. It costs only $20 less than our low-end system!!!"
      Exec 2 : "$20? Unacceptable... add a larger hard drive tack on another $100 to the price! We'll show them who's console costs more. ... Smug bastards."

  3. What's the point? by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What's the point of the big hard drives on the XBox 360 and PS3? Are people really downloading that much content that they need 120/80 GB drives? Are downloaded movies really that popular? Why would you rather download a game then get the a DVD? I really don't see any need for a drive of this size on a console. For me it just seems like something that would drive up the cost on an already expensive product.

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    1. Re:What's the point? by insanius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The point of a bigger hard drive is more space to hold data. Shouldn't have had to answer that...

      Yes, people really are downloading that much content.

      Yes, downloaded movies really are that popular and its not that surprising why when you think about it. I like many 360 owners have a HDTV, but I, like most, do not have the HD-DVD add-on or a stand alone player. Therefore the only ways currently for me and many others to watch a high-def movie on my high-def tv is to:
      a) catch one on cable when its airing or DVR it
      b) download one, be it on my cable box(ON-DEMAND) or my 360 it does not matter.
      Both have the same policies on viewing and pricing(same as renting from a store, without the trip), only their selections differ.

      You may not see the reason for this, and that is why M$/Sony gives you the option to pay less $ for a system that doesn't include a HD or, in Sony's case, includes a smaller less expensive HD.

  4. Re:so is this the FIFTH version of the PS3? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    What?

    The only difference between the 499 and 599 PS3 is the drive space, card reader, and Wifi. Otherwise they are exactly the same machine.

    The newer PAL PS3s still have PS2 hardware inside. The EE half of the EE/RS combo has been moved to software emulation. All PS3s will soon move to EE software emulation with the PS2 RS still included.

    Regardless, nice try at trying to spin this future minor drive upgrade as some 'bewildering and frustrating explosion of PS3 models'.

  5. PS3 wasn't expensive enough! by techstar25 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Wii is selling like hotcakes due to it's lower price.
    Analysts are saying that the PS3 needs a price drop.
    So how do Sony and MS respond to this? By releasing a MORE EXPENSIVE VERSION of their existing consoles.

    1. Re:PS3 wasn't expensive enough! by rlp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > Analysts are saying that the PS3 needs a price drop.
      > So how do Sony and MS respond to this? By releasing
      > a MORE EXPENSIVE VERSION of their existing consoles.

      Sony currently sells a 20 GB and 60 GB model. The 60 GB version
      is outselling the 20 GB by a considerable margin. Admittedly Sony
      has limited themselves to the hard-core gamer niche market. But their
      action makes sense in terms of that market segment.

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  6. That's nice, Sony by J.+T.+MacLeod · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Call me when you have a scaler, though.

  7. This is great... by donglekey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because when people consider a PS3, they think to themselves, hmm, I just don't feel like they've packed enough shit in there already.

  8. Why not from the get-go? by ObiWanStevobi · · Score: 3, Informative

    This goes for both Sony and MS. Both machines are not only game consoles, but hi-def multi-media machines as well. Why in the world would they skimp on hard drive space to begin with. MS should be truly ashamed. You can't even find a 20 gig HDD anymore. They just aren't functional. And out of all the system components, the hard drive is one of the cheapest parts. It is especially bad considering that MS has a huge lineup of downloadable media and demos that are at minimum 250 MB each. I'd say it was a horrible move for both the PS3 & Xbox not have 100Gig+ right from the start. At very least Sony started with 3X more disk space than the Xbox.

    Personally, I can't make any sense out of why either would sell with such small drives. There isn't much difference in price between to jump to a 120 Gig drive, and there isn't a shortage or lead time problem with making such a drive. All you are doing is pissing off customers and preventing people from downloading premium online content because they are out of disk space.

    1. Re:Why not from the get-go? by tomstdenis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      first, they're not buying parts from BestBuy or CompUSA. They're getting deep discounts to buy hard drives from companies using older production lines. Hence the 8GB drives for the original xbox.

      second, they can get idiots to buy the super duper upgrade piecemeal costing more.

      third, I want a wii.

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    2. Re:Why not from the get-go? by amuro98 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why not a larger HDD from day one?

      The same reason Microsoft went ahead and released a 360 that didn't even HAVE a HDD at all!

      Price. Price. Price. Price.

      It was very important to Microsoft to have their console priced lower than than Sony's. Although to be honest, I think Microsoft expected Sony to price the PS3 at $400 and $500, instead of the current $500/$600... So now Microsoft can release the 360 Elite, which adds HDMI, comes with a larger HDD AND a HDMI cable while STILL costing less than the PS3.

  9. It's about the video. by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Informative

    They want you to use the game console as media center. They want you to buy video and music from their online stores.
    Frankly I still don't understand why you can not take video from the 360 and put it on your Zune.
    Microsoft and Sony see the console as a way to get into the living room and replace TV. Nintendo sees consoles as way to play games.
    I keep wondering when Sony is going to let you take video from the PS/3 and put it on your PSP.
    It seem logical the PS/3, 360, Zune, and PSP all have wifi seems like a logical jump.
    The other reason for big hard drives would be for downloading games. Sony and Microsoft would love that. No more Gamestop and no more used games.
    Bandwidth and lack of HD space is the only thing stopping it. Now if Microsoft put a burner in the 360.

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    1. Re:It's about the video. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Nintendo sees consoles as way to play games."

      And, you know, make and dress up virtual dolls. Check the weather, vote on stuff. Browse the web. Leave messages for people. All that entirely gameplay oriented stuff. (sarcarm off)

      There are NO purely game-playing consoles any more. Even the GBA has an optional MP3 player, and there have been non-interactive cartoons (Cartoon Network stuff) released as GBA carts, effectively making it a video player. The DS has pictochat built in and an optional web browser and language training software. Nintendo is less interested in the fluffy, irrelevant stuff, but they aren't immune from it.

  10. Point by ObiWanStevobi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Xbox offers game demos at ~1 Gig each. They have an impressive & growing library of TV shows, Game & Movie Previews, and movies you can download as well. Much of it is offered in high def. High def video takes up some major disk space. I had 20 gigs filled on the Xbox very quickly. Since I don't have any hi def cable or disk drive, I'd like to download certain things just to check it out. However, I can't because I'd have to delete a bunch of stuff I don't want to.

    The PS3 allows you to add any media you want to it. You can rip DVDs on the computer and put them right on the drive. (Xbox isn't as easy) Fills up pretty fast.

    Also, the hard drive isn't exactly a very expensive part of the machine, no need to skimp on that, especially since a larger drive encourages users to download premium content.

  11. Re:so is this the FIFTH version of the PS3? by Kuukai · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Regardless, nice try at trying to spin this future minor drive upgrade as some 'bewildering and frustrating explosion of PS3 models'. Especially since it's extremely common anyway. The PS2 had a huge number of revisions and most people never noticed until it shrank. If you're gonna criticize them, criticize them for not having more versions, such as a harddrive-less one. That said, hardware-wise I think there are officially four versions now excluding region crap. CECHA (the original 20GB hardware), CECHB (the original 60GB hardware), CECHC (the emu one), and now CECHE. If CECHD exists, anyone know what the hell it is?
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  12. Re:PS3 Drives Easily Upgradeable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, without voiding the warranty.

    Right on the main Sony PS3 overview page it shows where you can upgrade the harddrive. Sony execs have been talking about user upgradeable harddrives since the PS3 was first introduced.

    The PS3's power supply is designed to handle larger harddrives - that's why there have been these erroneous power draw reports for the system because people see the max power draw for the system and assume that is what the 20 and 60 gig standard models draw. The PS3 is right aroudn 190w when playing games.

    And the cooling system is probably the most advanced version in any console every made and there have been virtually no reports of PS3s overheating. People have been running large harddrives in their PS3s since the very day people picked up their systems and poped in larger harddrives.

  13. Re:They are making it cheaper by king-manic · · Score: 2, Funny

    When any one company corners the market they tend to do things like draconian licencing schemes, bloatware, price fixing, etc... one company in control is ever a good idea. Ideally I'd liek to see a 2 way tie for first with Sony/Nintendo and the 360 a distant third. Because we know Ninty is evil when dominant, we know Ms is evil all the time, and Sony is like your drunk uncle with tourettes, not so much evil as beligerent and puzzingly self defeating.

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  14. Re:so is this the FIFTH version of the PS3? by fullmetal55 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    well I've personally seen several versions. ones with firewire, ones without, ones with 2 USB ports , ones with only one USB port, the mini version. not as much whining about that i must admit. i know at least one person who hated the firewire disappearing (his original died, and he went and bought a second one and it was missing the firewire), although i never did know what it was for.