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Tactics in the Porn Industry's Fight Against Piracy

An anonymous reader writes "A C|Net article discusses the technological innovations being used by the porn industry to ensure they stay relevant (like streaming HD-quality feeds and remote interaction), as well as profitable. Live performances and cutting-edge technology combine to ensure a steady stream of revenue in the age of free downloads. 'Now Kink.com is on the cutting edge of the fight against video piracy. While mainstream entertainment outlets like Viacom and NBC complain noisily about YouTube, Kink.com, with neither the resources nor the mainstream appeal of its giant counterparts, is in an even tougher fight: Protecting the content it produces that's continually copied and reposted on the dozens of Web sites that traffic in poached adult material.'"

113 comments

  1. Sounds promising... by d3m0nCr4t · · Score: 2, Funny

    The idea of "remote interaction" sounds very promising. :D

    1. Re:Sounds promising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      absolutely, but it is somewhat limited by the 'permeability' of the medium :)

      free porn, ripped from kink: http://zataka.com/ ;)

    2. Re:Sounds promising... by RealityNews · · Score: 1

      The idea of "remote interaction" sounds very promising. I hope this is not intented as the cure for the absence of "intimate interaction."
    3. Re:Sounds promising... by hotdiggitydawg · · Score: 3, Funny

      The idea of "remote interaction" sounds very promising. :D Telecummuting?
    4. Re:Sounds promising... by grimJester · · Score: 1

      Teledildonics.

      Live interaction with the performers would be difficult to pirate. Unless it's being streamed from a ship.

    5. Re:Sounds promising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but for /. readers, it would go more like:

      Delibrane: Yea, look at those boxes. Yea, take off her case. Wow, look at that wiring job.
      Tranj: Oooo, twins, i wonder which one had the recasing job?
      Birik: Stick it in her!! Plug that Ethernet port!
      Melcord: Networked boxes are sooooo hot!
      Delibrane: Indeed, and those naughty twins are about to share very personal information.
      Xiranthi: Hardware specs?
      Delibrane: No, stress test programs they run in unison, it gets very intimate.
      Birik: Intimacy is overrated, i just want to see their heatsinks get hot, and thermal paste oose out in unison!
      Tranj: Thats not the only thing oosing out of them.
      Melcord: Guess their PSU's just couldent take it, may they rest in piece.
      Xiranthi: I got dibs on the harddrives.
      Delibrane: Pervert.

    6. Re:Sounds promising... by StarfishOne · · Score: 1
      Scanning over the comments, I first read:

      "Live interaction with the performers would be difficult to penetrate."

      A mind with a very fast global association system is a guarantee for every day funnies ;)

  2. Irony by Seiruu · · Score: 0, Troll

    "Yo dirty notty people from the piracy world! How dare you do something so immoral as piracy! Take an example of us skimpy clothed, if at all, men and women working hard with dildos and shower cream to teach our men, women and children the real values of morals and ethics! Shame on you guys!"

    1. Re:Irony by an.echte.trilingue · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I think the point is that they are not doing anything to "fight" piracy and condemn immoral pirates (if you bother to RTFA you will see that kink.com never talks about fighting piracy and they never call it wrong), they are trying to evolve their business model so that it is profitable in the age of modern technology. This is what the rest of the movie/recording industry should be doing as well, but since the "big four" have a voice loud enough to get politicians to change the laws, they are trying to support their obsolete business model through litigation. The adult entertainment industry, which does not have the luxury of such a public voice, is finding ways to innovate.

      So the message is not, "hey you dirty immoral pirates take a lesson from us porn starts", the message is "hey you silly family entertainers, if a bunch of us porn stars can turn a profit with the help of modern technology, why can't you?"

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    2. Re:Irony by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      For example if you move to BluRay production, the "total quality" media will be 50 GB and the pirates using P2P (which as I tipped, they sometimes leak their own) will know there is a 1080p version out there.

      That is why Sony and Toshiba (Bluray vs HD-DVD) are speaking with that industry now, I believe lots of HD-Camera/Equipment vendors too.

    3. Re:Irony by ari+wins · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's not that ironic, the porn industry tends to be a missionary when it comes to new technology. Remember how everyone was saying sony was going to take it doggystyle because there was a blurb about the porn industry shifting to HD-DVD? As of yet, I don't see a dirty sanchez appearing on the Sony name, at least not from that "war".

      You can't expect the *IAA to do a reverse cowgirl on their stand either, to do so would be to open themselves up to ridicule across the media band, not just in sixty-nine articles on /. It's really too bad, because it seems like their trying to play a rusty trombone, but they're felching it up. The profits they could receive from the menage-a-trois of dvds/online distribution/set-top sales(vod) would provide a real shocker if they could do so in a non-intrusive manner. I'd much rather be dry-humped then have to use the provided glory hole and hope there's not a pitbull on the other side.

      Sure porn piracy runs rampant, has for decades. But, umm, how much do they sell in a year? If you want to try fellatio on my conscious, it's not going to happen. I'll never pay for porn.

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    4. Re:Irony by Artifakt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If there is any Irony, it's not so much the porn industry's actions, but the anti-piracy fight from the rest of the industry. The RIAA and MPAA started pushing terms like theft and piracy to influence the mainstream consumers, and a lot of their advertizing is aimed at 'wholesome family values' types. (Like the movie adds that say "You wouldn't steal a purse..." - last time I saw it, I looked around the theatre and realized a couple of the people in there probably paid for the ticket that way). What's ironic is that this puts middle america on the side of protecting all industral IP, including porn. It's like the drug laws - Individual dope dealers may not like the drug laws, but organized crime has figured out how to exploit the existing drug laws so well that they actually like them, and so supporting the existing situation puts 'the forces of goodness and niceness' on the same side as the Mob.

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    5. Re:Irony by Ph33r+th3+g(O)at · · Score: 1

      Nice -- at first, I thought the use of the word "missionary" was unintentional, then I read on. Well-done!

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    6. Re:Irony by cliffski · · Score: 3, Insightful

      so how does someone writing a book do this then? "live readings" may not exactly be as profitable.
      And how does this apply to people making software, movies or games?

      With all other situations where people break the law, efforts are made to enforce it better. With copyright infringement, the call goes out to "change your broken business model". why?
      All business models will fail if people are allowed to break the law. No shop can employ enough security to prevent everyone shoplifting at once. Show me a business model that is not dependent on the law being adhered to.

      The games industry is adapting to mass piracy by abandoing the open platform that is the PC, in favour of online games and consoles. For the singleplayer RPG or flight sim fan, the way piracy has forced a 're-evaluation of the business model' is just to wipe out the entire industry. Not exactly the optimal solution for consumers.

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    7. Re:Irony by an.echte.trilingue · · Score: 3, Insightful

      so how does someone writing a book do this then? "live readings" may not exactly be as profitable.
      And how does this apply to people making software, movies or games?
      Books are a false parallel since technology is not threatening their existing business model: print books are still much more popular than e-books an will remain that way for a very long time. I suppose you could argue that people are reading less due to alternative activities (such as TV and the slashdot), but in that case authors are just losing out because nobody wants their product. Besides, the greatest literature or the english language (Shakespeare) was produced at a time when plagiarism was common, accepted practice. Seemed to work well enough to keep him writing for his entire lifetime.

      As for software, most people who write Linux get paid for their efforts. I am sure that whoever owns WoW does not really mind if people pirate their game since most of their revenue is from subscriptions to their servers. For things that people want, ways to get paid for producing them exist without needing to hobble technology.

      I think that people in some facets of the entertainment industry are going to have to accept that nobody is willing to pay them for what they do any more and they need to find a better way of making a living. Movies are probably a good example of an entertainment medium on the way out the door: why pay to go to a Lord of the Rings movie when you can be the Lord of the Rings in an on-line world?

      With all other situations where people break the law, efforts are made to enforce it better. With copyright infringement, the call goes out to "change your broken business model". why? No, that is not true. If it were then alcohol would still be illegal in the US. People break the law to get it changed all the time. It is called civil disobedience. In the US it is the only way to challenge an unjust law in court. The call for the music industry to change their business model is not based on copyright infringement, it is based on the fact that media companies base their business model on content distribution methods that are obsolete. Rather than adapting to the new methods, they are trying to hobble the methods. If we as a society allow this kind of thing to happen, you would have laws protecting steam-engine manufactures from rouge internal combustion engines.

      All business models will fail if people are allowed to break the law. No shop can employ enough security to prevent everyone shoplifting at once. Show me a business model that is not dependent on the law being adhered to.
      mercenaries?

      The games industry is adapting to mass piracy by abandoing the open platform that is the PC, in favour of online games and consoles. For the singleplayer RPG or flight sim fan, the way piracy has forced a 're-evaluation of the business model' is just to wipe out the entire industry. Not exactly the optimal solution for consumers. BS. I can copy a console game easily. The game industry is moving to consoles because with dedicated hardware you can get performance on a $500 console that you need a $3,000 dollar computer to replicate.
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    8. Re:Irony by EsbenMoseHansen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The games industry is adapting to mass piracy by abandoing the open platform that is the PC, in favour of online games and consoles. For the singleplayer RPG or flight sim fan, the way piracy has forced a 're-evaluation of the business model' is just to wipe out the entire industry. Not exactly the optimal solution for consumers. BS. I can copy a console game easily. The game industry is moving to consoles because with dedicated hardware you can get performance on a $500 console that you need a $3,000 dollar computer to replicate.

      The game makers avoid the PC because the profit margins are too low. Not because the consoles have better hardware. Or so my friends in that business tells me.

      Piracy is surely keeping the prices down, but the fix is obvious: Move much of the content online. Games where big parts are served over the net are much, much harder to pirate in the big scale.

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    9. Re:Irony by AutomaticCautionDoor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      why pay to go to a Lord of the Rings movie when you can be the Lord of the Rings in an on-line world?
      Because humans have always liked being told stories. Spending day after day spearing bison on the plains doesn't mean we didn't like sitting to watch somebody draw pictures of it in the cave. Spending the afternoon playing make-believe with the other neighborhood kids doesn't mean we don't like sitting as Grandpa tells a ghost tale around the campfire. My girlfriend likes filling our lives with all sorts of over-the-top drama, but that doesn't mean she doesn't want to sit and watch "The Notebook" for the thousandth time.
    10. Re:Irony by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, another reason is that porn is a damn saturated market with low production costs. I think I recall reading that porn DVDs were coming out at such a rate that you could run it 24/7/365 with no reruns and still only build a backlog. Pretty much no matter what your preference is, there are plenty to choose from.

      Compare that to your movie habits, it's pretty few and far between big releases. Also they're not very good substitutes, you're not going to take Star Wars and claim it's exactly like Star Trek and it doesn't matter which one you see, whereas "Blonde teens #13" probably isn't too far from "Young and blonde #11".

      So what's this mostly about? It's about differentiating themselves from their competitors, to give their customers something they're not getting from every porn producer with a video cam. Movies don't have that problem, it's not like there a dozen competing movies of Spiderman. Also, it doesn't lend itself well to being broadcast live and/or interactive. That's why I think the analogy is getting rather thin...

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    11. Re:Irony by jZnat · · Score: 1

      A service-based model has been shown to work very well for both games (e.g. World of Warcraft) and software (e.g. Red Hat Enterprise Linux, anything Google sells, etc.). I don't know how movies can adapt in a similar method, but that's not my problem. If anything, I'd suggest that the DVD for each movie be sold at the theatre after each showing for a decent price (e.g. $8 or so), and perhaps to stop making shitty movies as well. For music, CDs should be used a promotional items for bands' concerts and other performances. The big record labels could either just record and produce the CDs for the bands, or they could even be a marketing help for bands in order to get their promotional material (i.e. CDs and MP3s) out there to many people.

      Oh yeah, and if these companies would stop wasting so much money on lawsuits against their customers and lobbying Congress for more draconian copyright laws, they might, just might, be able to remain insanely profitable.

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    12. Re:Irony by a_nonamiss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This may be the first post in the history of /. that manages to be both informative and erotic.

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    13. Re:Irony by cliffski · · Score: 3, Interesting

      so all games become online games, all single player games become multiplayer. great.
      kiss goodbye to flight sims
      kiss goodbye to civilisation as a singleplayer game
      kiss goodbye to RPGs.
      cool now I can only ever enjoy video games playing against jackasses online. Somehow, I dont think this is a bright future, and we have the people who pirate games to thank for it. Cheers guys.

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    14. Re:Irony by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Parent message isn't a troll, you morons, it's a joke. And it's hilarious, if you'd quit being quite so hypersensitive.

      What I wouldn't give for a mod point right now. Mod parent up.

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    15. Re:Irony by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Compare that to your movie habits, it's pretty few and far between big releases. Also they're not very good substitutes, you're not going to take Star Wars and claim it's exactly like Star Trek and it doesn't matter which one you see, whereas "Blonde teens #13" probably isn't too far from "Young and blonde #11".
      Yet, Hollywood's intense aversion to risk does tend to produce films that are quite similar, repetitive and derivative even, since their goal is to find a formula that works and milk it for all its worth. So, while Star Wars and Star Trek are substantially different movies to an aficionado of the genre, to the average guy on the street (or worse, the average girl on the street) it is quite easy to confuse the two. And to the hollywood execs at Paramount who green-lighted Star Trek the Motion Picture, the prior success of Star Wars was certainly a very large factor in their decision.
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    16. Re:Irony by cliffski · · Score: 1

      I see, so it works for google and linux, so lets scrap the 99.9% of established businesses that aren't on your list?
      When I buy adobe photoshop, i dont need support for it, and I dont need updates. You still think they should give it to me for free?
      How exactly does that work, if the income is preuly from supprot, wheres my incentive to ship a bug free product?
      Stop trying to dream up a rosy business model that lets people take everything for free, it's not vaguely sustainable, at least not with the huge effort and costs put into producing software/movies at the current standard.

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    17. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >...they are trying to evolve their business model so that it is profitable in the age of modern technology. This is what the rest of the movie/recording industry should be doing as well,...

      If the music industry could have a random couple come in and cough up a top 40 song through 10 minutes of sex, yeah, you model would work.

      -1, totally moronic.

    18. Re:Irony by an.echte.trilingue · · Score: 0, Troll
      I think that the fact that these games are dying has more to do with the fact that not enough people want them than to piracy. You could develop a flight sim game that downloads maps pf the earth real-time-ish like google earth does. WoW or Second Life could easily develop single-player worlds served over their servers, so you have your single player RPGs and Sims like games; you could even take your MMPORG player on a single-world vacation or whatever. The reason they don't is that not very many people want this anymore.

      I looked at your website, and I am not trying to be mean, but none of those games look particularly compelling. There are games in the Debian repos (ie, free and open source games) that cost nothing and look to be about the same quality, maybe with graphics that aren't as good. This is the market economy at work, not piracy. I feel for you, it has bitten me in the ass too, but that is the way western society works.

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    19. Re:Irony by cliffski · · Score: 1

      weird that a critique of my games is meant to serve as explanation for my point that you are unlikely to see a CIV 5.
      And actually, my games sell quite well, despite the fact that you personally would dismiss them because of the screenshots. That's fine, but like it or not, games made by indies like me are all you will have to look forward to as single player games on the PC, as more and more big names (id, funcom...) depart the platform for good due to widespread illegal copying.
      I'm not sure how you can tell a games quality just by looking at a screenshot anyway. Lets be honest, bejewlled, zuma, tetris and chess, all look pretty shit in screenshots. If I want to look at pretty things, I watch a star wars movie. I play games to interact and have fun.

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    20. Re:Irony by an.echte.trilingue · · Score: 0, Troll
      1. You missed my point. We will not see a CIV5 because not very many people want CIV5. The idea is played. It has nothing to do with piracy, IMHO.

      2. I am not judging by how pretty the screen shots are. From the screenshots and the forum discussions, the look like high-graphic clones of a lot of games in debian reops (ie, prettier versions). If I were judging by the screenshots alone, your games would win.

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    21. Re:Irony by Pyrrhic+Diarrhea · · Score: 1

      Best. Post. Ever. Please send as a certified letter to all corporate partners of the *IAA, members of Congress, and the White House just for kicks.

    22. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would have been funny if it was based on an accurate premise. Without any truth to it, the joke falls flat.

    23. Re:Irony by cliffski · · Score: 1

      I have never even seen debian, let alone cloned whatever freeware it ships with.

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    24. Re:Irony by RobRyland · · Score: 1

      goodbye to flight sims in an online multiplayer world? how silly. The flight sim WarBirds was a massively multiplayer online game before it was an acronym! I was playing that a lot ~10 years ago. It really changed what a combat flight sim was about. It's one thing to shoot down a cheesy AI flown plane... gets old pretty quick. But in WarBirds you knew that when you shot down a plane, somewhere on the planet there was a real live person cursing and throwing his joystick across the room (smile). -Rob

    25. Re:Irony by EsbenMoseHansen · · Score: 1

      Just to clarify, there is nothing to prevent companies to make single-player games served over the internet. Civ5 could easily be made as a server-client based game.

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    26. Re:Irony by cliffski · · Score: 1

      as long as there are enough opponents online when you want to play, that they want to fly the planes you want to fight against, on a map you agree on, where you have suitably matching skill levels, zero lag, and he doesnt behave like a jerk..... great!

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    27. Re:Irony by jZnat · · Score: 1

      More companies that provide services for a free product and make a profit: Sun, IBM (more than just Linux), Novell (more than just Linux), Canonical (more than just Linux), MySQL AB, Yahoo! (most of their services are free (i.e. ad-supported), but paid support versions exist), Trolltech (Qt and other GUI toolkits), Oracle (more than just Linux), and SourceForge. There are even organisations like OpenBSD and the Free Software Foundation that make money selling their own free/libre and open source software on physical media. There's also something called "donations" where users of your software will attribute their own price for the software and will pay you that amount (usually on a regular basis as well).

      Also, if you were alive back in the beginning UNIX days, you'd know that all software came with source code included so that you could compile it for your particular setup as well as modify it to meet your needs. In fact, BSD was started as a collection of patches for UNIX, and that eventually became its own operating system (see FreeBSD and derivatives). So not even can you make money on free software, you can also make money while also giving the source code to your customers as well!

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  3. Re:i want to eat my first pussy by serialdogma · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, first ensure your now dead cat is cooked though-out and start with the head.

  4. Summary: they stream live shows by null-und-eins · · Score: 5, Informative

    Unless you are interested in the business story of a porn outlet, there is almost nothing in TFA about copyright. They move to live streams (although at higher resolution than most non-porn streams seem to offer), to make it more difficult and less interesting to copy content. Editors: Why was this omitted from the summary?

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    1. Re:Summary: they stream live shows by imroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They move to live streams (although at higher resolution than most non-porn streams seem to offer), to make it more difficult and less interesting to copy content.

      Honestly, how would that help? Doesn't anyone know about downscaling? A lot of porn video clips still seem to be 320x240 (or at least less than 640x480) in either MPEG-1 or WMV. So all anyone has to do is capture the stream, downscale it to a more reasonable picture size, re-encode it and sell it on their site. You also don't need the massive amounts of bandwidth or storage that these guys need. Realistically, do you really need HD video to watch a woman getting screwed by three hung guys?

    2. Re:Summary: they stream live shows by Ilgaz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They move to live streams (although at higher resolution than most non-porn streams seem to offer), to make it more difficult and less interesting to copy content.

      Honestly, how would that help? Doesn't anyone know about downscaling? A lot of porn video clips still seem to be 320x240 (or at least less than 640x480) in either MPEG-1 or WMV. So all anyone has to do is capture the stream, downscale it to a more reasonable picture size, re-encode it and sell it on their site. You also don't need the massive amounts of bandwidth or storage that these guys need. Realistically, do you really need HD video to watch a woman getting screwed by three hung guys?

      Those low res files you talk about are leaked by Porn industry themselves. :) Yes, they are that clever to use a technology (P2P) which was called evil by MPAA to suit their own promotion.

      You would be surprised that porn industry are the first ones to use DVD technology in its full feature set like multiple angles.

      Massive amounts of bandwidth? Once I had a friend working for a huge network vendor. He said their best customers are porn industry and funny that they could be counted as people "running the internet" after all those dotcom crashes.
    3. Re:Summary: they stream live shows by ichigo+2.0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      According to TFA, they stream live shows at 1080i. I'm assuming they'll have some kind of interaction down the road, which would make a capture of the stream have less value. This is what people have been saying music artists should move to, i.e. selling concerts instead of recordings.

    4. Re:Summary: they stream live shows by JonathanR · · Score: 1

      Interaction? What, do you wave your mouse at the naughty bits?

    5. Re:Summary: they stream live shows by carpe_noctem · · Score: 2, Funny

      Realistically, do you really need HD video to watch a woman getting screwed by three hung guys?

      This is a question you really don't want to ask the slashdot community, trust me....

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    6. Re:Summary: they stream live shows by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's a solution for an edge case. I don't want a "live" performance of Lord of the Rings. I want the epic movies that took years of hard work to produce. If the pre-recorded film industry is wiped out by piracy and this lame "solution" is the replacement, I'm not going to be a happy camper.

    7. Re:Summary: they stream live shows by nanosquid · · Score: 0, Troll

      I want the epic movies that took years of hard work to produce. If the pre-recorded film industry is wiped out by piracy and this lame "solution" is the replacement, I'm not going to be a happy camper.

      Well, too bad for you. The "interactive version" of those epic movies is called "gaming", and I very much prefer it to the static, ready-made variety.

    8. Re:Summary: they stream live shows by lhoriman · · Score: 1

      The shows are already interactive - members are in a chat room that is being read by a monitor who communicates feedback to the rigger. In the future we'll have many of the user comments read aloud by a text-to-speech system. Jeff (yes, the IT staff are avid /.ers)

    9. Re:Summary: they stream live shows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in the day we downloaded episodes of the simpsons and family guy at 320x240 or even 160x120 with massively high compression ratios to get the size down. Looking back now at those videos, the quality was atrocious, but I was content with it at the time. Now I get Family Guy and every other show at several resolutions, around 600x350 at perfect DVD quality and it is a massive step up. Yes, 5 years ago I was happy with 320x240 super compressed porn, but now I wouldn't bother downloading anything below 640. Even have a couple HD clips (1280x720) and they are definitely the next step.

    10. Re:Summary: they stream live shows by jamienk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >> I want the epic movies that took years of hard work to produce.

      I want the same, except a version that is much harder to make, takes even more years, requires higher paid actors, more expensive/elaborate visual effects, has music composed and played by the most expensive possible musicians, plays only in theaters that allow you watch in a personalized jacuzzi with a team of fluffers keeping me interested, and who's bottom line production costs (not including marketing) is over $1bn USD.

      As for music, I want music that costs WAY more to make than then standard billboard chart-toppers of today -- I want the artists to use custom-designed microphones that require years of R&D by the top engineers, I want pre-amps that costs millions to be used, I want a format that requires a special, proprietary player, I want the artists to be paid hundreds of millions of dollars just for signing the contract.

      As for porn, what I want will require the slave-economy to be re-established in the US, and for a massive colonial war to be waged in order to set up the perfect international geo-political situation that would provide the legal, historical, and yes, moral space in which the films I desire to see would be possible.

      But then, we can't always get what we want can we? The Lord of the Rings was possible because the legal, historical, economic, technological, and cultural facts on the ground were conducive to it's production. If things change, then it may become impossible for such an epic movie to be made again. But then again, the geniuses and moneyed people no longer conspire to write classical music, design and build massive tombs, create bejeweled swords, or memorize and chant epic histories of their peoples. Those things are now left to the museums.

    11. Re:Summary: they stream live shows by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      Live streaming 1080i? I know it's possible in the rest of the world where 10-100Mbps is common, but how would they get that to US customers still living in the stone age?

    12. Re:Summary: they stream live shows by billcopc · · Score: 1

      Actually it's the other way around. The women don't want to be shown on HD video because it makes "flaws" more visible like blemishes and implant scars. Now that depends on the woman, in this case it was Jesse Jane that made the comment. Maybe she feels vulnerable because she has weird-ass implants and patchy skin that only looks semi-decent at specific angles under carefully adjusted lighting :P Back in normal-porn land, higher-res video started many years ago when camgirls started using high-end camcorders to get 720x480 native and in a few instances up to 1024x704... this was around 2003. Just because the big guys still use 320x240 or 512x384 is just because that's the cheapest and fastest way to get it done, since they can simply use standard DV cams and downsize the video to hide the flaws and speed up encoding. A lot of porn fans don't mind low-res video much, as long as it vaguely resembles boobs. That's why we have such ridiculous things as cell/PDA porn. Mmm.. 19200 pixels of nakedness at 5 frames per second... those boobs are at least 4 pixels round, what a rack! :P

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    13. Re:Summary: they stream live shows by solferino · · Score: 1

      I found your comment intriguing. It appears to be genuine.

      I respect your opinion but completely disagree with it. I feel that a world without copyright would result in vastly greater creativity. I think what you are describing is entertainment. Entertainment is fine but we seem to have sacrificed everything on its altar.

      BTW I was a great fan of Tolkien as an adolescent (The Silmarillion remains my favourite) but I didn't go anywhere near the LoTR movies. I know I would have detested them. So maybe that's indicative of where our personalities/world views differ.

    14. Re:Summary: they stream live shows by PAjamian · · Score: 1

      Realistically, do you really need HD video to watch a woman getting screwed by three hung guys?

      You'd be surprised how many of Kink.com's videos have absolutely no intercourse at all, and of the ones that do have intercourse it is usually not the primary focus.

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      Windows is a bonfire, Linux is the sun. Linux only looks smaller if you lack perspective.
  5. False flag is the solution by RealityNews · · Score: 1

    Protecting the content it produces that's continually copied and reposted on the dozens of Web sites that traffic in poached adult material. Slip in false videos containing clips of infamous "Mr. Hands" incident, and -dear god- hope that they will get a major turn-off!
    1. Re:False flag is the solution by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      but what if the veiwers are looking for mr. hands?

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    2. Re:False flag is the solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hope that they will get a major turn-off! Let's hope it isn't the opposite! ;-)
  6. it's a euphemism. by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Live performances and cutting-edge technology combine to ensure a steady stream of revenue

    Oh, so that's what they're calling it these days.

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    1. Re:it's a euphemism. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      Live performances and cutting-edge technology combine to ensure a steady stream of revenue

      Oh, so that's what they're calling it these days.

      It's called a money shot for a reason!

  7. Pay for it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Seriously. I got pissed off trying to get laid with girls who didn't even give me a second look. Don't go out and find some dirty street hooker though, get yourself a high-class escort. It'll cost, but it's worth it. In the long run it'll probably cost less than a girlfriend or wife would, plus there's no commitment, no birthdays, anniversaries or valentine's days to worry about and certainly no inevitable costly divorce ;-) Plus if you're a regular client you'll probably get a discount. Think about it, all the sex without the nagging wife. I've been doing this for some years now and my life is great, sure my friends who have girlfriends or wives get sex more often than I do, but I get anal, a completely shaved pussy and no hassle. Plus my mates can come over for sports / film nights whenever I want.

    1. Re:Pay for it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
      I prefer ugly chicks. Turn the light off and nobody knows the difference. They are usually nicer, they'll cook for you and do your dishes, they are more willing to do that "thing" you like that would get you slapped by a pretty chick, they usually want to have a job of their own to validate themselves (low self-esteem often), and you don't have to worry about her cheating on you. You tell her you think she's beautiful and its a win-win situation.

      Oh, by the way, eating pussy is overrated. Something that most people only try once.

    2. Re:Pay for it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it customary to tip a prostitute?

    3. Re:Pay for it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Oh, by the way, eating pussy is overrated. Something that most people only try once. It takes getting used to, but if you're good at it girls will love you for it. If you really don't like it, you can always use hypnosis to make you like it. Go to WarpMyMind (NOT WORK SAFE) and download the file "PussyLover". I did this a year ago and listened to it about 4 times a day for a few months. I now enjoy eating pussy more than anything else, and really get off on seeing the girl react to it.

      Here's the description of the file:

      This file makes the listener love the taste, smell and feel of a woman's pussy. They will take every opportunity to go down on a partner that he/she can. Get the file here (NOT WORK SAFE)
    4. Re:Pay for it.... by shaze · · Score: 0

      You must tip all escorts, especially the more compliant they are. You want ass to mouth? That'll cost ya. You want Greek (anal)? At least $100/hour more than her going rate. The key is to look for the GFE tag in their profiles, you can find tons under the Erotic Services area of Craigslist.

      But myself, I like love; nothing like a pretty girl who cares for you.

    5. Re:Pay for it.... by l0cust · · Score: 1

      +1 Informative.

      A post about getting high class escorts instead of cheap hookers because they have shaved pussy and do anal. Only on Slashdot.

      ...

      Er..actually disregard all this, do you have any tips how to contact the good agencies. You got me all interested now.

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    6. Re:Pay for it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are probably review boards online for your area to help people looking for this type of service avoid the scams and rip-offs. TheEroticReview.com has regional boards, but local forums may be more informative and detailed, and less likely to require registration. Just take some time to do your homework before making the call. Read up on client etiquette, as well.

      And no, it is not customary or even good form to tip. Simply bring along the agreed-upon donation. If anything more than that is asked for during the session, you have encountered an "upseller," something the review boards should help you steer clear of.

    7. Re:Pay for it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess that works if you're into sexually transmitted diseases.

    8. Re:Pay for it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Oh, by the way, eating pussy is overrated. Something that most people only try once.

      Looks like yuo have caught teh Gay. Admit it to yourself first, then to your friends and family, and both you and your partners will be much happier in the long run.

    9. Re:Pay for it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about visiting a country where prostitution is legal? Where they have licenses and health coverage?

      I recommend Panama City.

    10. Re:Pay for it.... by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

      Germany. The Netherlands. I'm sure there are probably others--I am not an expert in such matters.

      But that "health coverage" thing might lead you to a false sense of security. Bugs like HIV can be transmitted before they would show up on a test.

      Also, it's not like the sex workers are getting tested daily. Say they get tested on the first of the month, contract something nasty on the second day of the month, and then infect clients for the rest of the month (or week or whatever frequency they get tested) before getting tested again and finding out they've caught something.

      It's a risky world out there.

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      They don't grade fathers, but if your daughter's a stripper, you fucked up. --Chris Rock
  8. When you can't do it live use invisible watermarks by MaelstromX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Kink.com's solution is live shows.


    That's one idea, and a good one. However not all porn can be live, it's simply not feasible for certain types. I would say the best way to prevent piracy and ensure that SOMEBODY finances the production of the stuff would be to slap it with invisible, personally identifying watermarks. If they are spotted on pictures and images found in the wild, so to speak, your subscription is cancelled and you don't get a refund.

    Although that might make people want to give them all away the day before their subscription ends, so that part I'm not sure about yet. :)
  9. In order to reply by had3z · · Score: 1

    an give an insightful answer, i'll have to do a bit of.... reasearch on this one.
    Gotta go now

    1. Re:In order to reply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you want some real insight, then skip the hands on research on the internet and go for scientific experimentation instead. Don't try handling this alone, get you a well qualified research assistant and make sure all safety devices are used appropriately. Wouldn't want your research assistant sueing you over accidental exposure to the results of the experiment. If you and the research assistant work really well together and especially if they contribute as much or more then you do, you might should consider a research partnership. If things don't work out so well you can always seek more info and/or other assistants. Performing a good in depth experiment and making sure to cover all points of interest with it can lead to some climatic results, good luck with your probing of this question.

  10. Re:i want to eat my first pussy by AlgorithMan · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    god, please, somebody delete this crap thread!

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    The MAFIAA is a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes
  11. Re:When you can't do it live use invisible waterma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While this can be a good way to keep piracy low, it should be fairly obvious that if your goal is making money then canceling your customers' subscriptions is not the way to go about it.

    My impression is that porn sites tend to have a more realistic outloook on these incidents and look at it as free advertising rather than a loss of revenue.

    Piracy is like the rain. Until somebody builds a magical weather machine, you'd better make sure your house has a sturdy roof and clean gutters instead of trying to call the police any time the skies look threatening.

  12. Re:When you can't do it live use invisible waterma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    depending on the type of porn some people may not wish to be named in a lawsuit and will settle out of court. Immoral RIAA style

  13. I find it curious... by ralf1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That the last 3 articles I have read on Slashdot about porn industry technology challenges and advances have all referenced kink.com. As many porn sites as there are, this seems like an odd coincidence. Sounds like a subtle advertising campaign to me.

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    "Would you, could you, with a goat?" Dr Seuss
  14. How did THIS make it to the front page? by Panaqqa · · Score: 0, Troll

    Seriously. Anyone with mod points out there get ready to use them - there's going to be a lot of clicks on "Troll" needed.

  15. Relevance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A C|Net article discusses the technological innovations being used by the porn industry to ensure they stay relevant

    I can assure them that they need not change anything to remain relevant in my life.

  16. Re:When you can't do it live use invisible waterma by Socguy · · Score: 1

    Porn as a product is an interesting one. As a commodity, it's marketplace is almost unsaturateable. So the only real downside for a porn company having paying subscribers reposting material is the potential loss of an individual subscription. I say potential because there is no guarantee that they would have paid you in the first place, and like the other guy said, if they like what they see they might drop by and actually sign up ('probly not but a few will). But, by actually cancelling a subscription they ARE losing a paying customer. In a marketplace that can't be saturated, all you need to do is spit as much product out as possible because the market will always be there. Your customers will not pay for something they have previously viewed anyway, so your inventory is not really worth as much as one might imagine. In this light, there is absolutely no upside to cancelling a subscription, it can only cost money; either in tech investment, or employee time to actually remove the client.

  17. Re:Impossible to stop Empornium.us from porn fanat by name*censored* · · Score: 1

    O....k, I agree with most of what you're saying, but what is this bit about $5 account? I've done a little research of my own (ahem), and I don't see a difference at all between the motivation for someone to get a paid slashdot account (a little money to make the ads go bysies) and for someone to get a paid empornium account (a little money to make the dirty pictures that I want to see in a non-ad format go bysies). If you've lived in a western culture and have more than half a brain (which I'm guessing is most of the people here) then you'll learn to just screen 99% of ads out (the only ones that seem to have any effect are the ones with catchy jingles). Hell, I've had a gmail account for about a year and a half or so now, and I only noticed the ads about 3 months ago..

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    Commodore64_love: I don't comprehend people who're so frightened of death that they'll bankrupt themselves to stay alive
  18. Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... even the remote idea of interaction sounds promising here. 8P

  19. Re:i want to eat my first pussy by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    Yes, first ensure your now dead cat is cooked though-out and start with the head.

          Kittens are best of course, far more tender and less stringy. But for the REAL thing, you should try puppy.

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    Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
  20. Mathematically trivial to identify & corrupt by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 1

    If you and a friend buy the same thing, you'll get a stream S mixed with watermarks X and Y (S+X, S+Y). XOR them together; Make zero anything in both files that's 1 in the XOR: The data is the same, and is zero when XORed with itself, whereas a watermark will be ~50% 1 and 50% 0. So, S+X + (random) AND (S+X XNOR S+Y) will destroy a mean of half the watermark bits in X's file.

    Disclaimer: IANACryptologist.

  21. Mod article -1 Redundant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any porn article that does not explicitly mention http://www.cheggit.net/ is redundant :p

  22. According to a T.C Boyle short story (long ago) .. by wsanders · · Score: 3, Funny

    The "remote interaction" technology will be used to reach out and grab your testicles until you can produce a valid credit card number.

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    Give a man a fish and you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish, and he'll say "WHERE'S MY FISH, YOU IDIOT?"
  23. Re:the piracy of emotionally distraut actors by couchslug · · Score: 1

    "absolutely ridiculous to focus on the 'tech side' like you are doing. absolutely dumb."

    Slashdhot is about tech. Try Jerry Springer.

    "what about the piracy that porn producers use against the actors?"

    What about you support your assertions?

    "Emotionally distraut" eH? This sounds more like Fundie anti-porn industry propaganda.

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    "This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
  24. one solution... by rasputin465 · · Score: 0

    What about open-source porn? What!? Oh... I guess if that were the case, all you'd see would be nerdy couples doing it in front of their computer.

    1. Re:one solution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  25. tactics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    well theres only one tactic described in the article, which is going live with interaction from the audience.

  26. Not that suprising by hellfire · · Score: 2, Funny

    Actually, I think it just reflects the tastes of the average slashdotter... we tend to be more discerning and have more sophisticated interests.

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    "All great wisdom is contained in .signature files"

    1. Re:Not that suprising by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Somehow it makes sense that S&M would be considered "more sophisticated" than regular porn. I have no idea how that works, but it has a ring of truth about it. And now I have a horrible set of mental images involving men with waxed moustaches and PVC smoking jackets. "I say!"

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      No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
  27. sage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GB2 utah

  28. Check it out, Empornium.us is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude Empornium blows chunks, I think you should find some other sites. Check it out! Viva la revolucion!

  29. Re:Impossible to stop Empornium.us from porn fanat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    O....k, I agree with most of what you're saying, but what is this bit about $5 account? I've done a little research of my own (ahem), and I don't see a difference at all between the motivation for someone to get a paid slashdot account (a little money to make the ads go bysies) and for someone to get a paid empornium account (a little money to make the dirty pictures that I want to see in a non-ad format go bysies)

    Ugh! The difference is Empornium is charging money for pirated content, while Slashdot is not.

  30. Whatever works for you by heinousjay · · Score: 1

    Just make sure you get checked regularly for STDs. Condoms are very effective but nothing is foolproof.

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    Slashdot - where whining about luck is the new way to make the world you want.
  31. Re:When you can't do it live use invisible waterma by Kuciwalker · · Score: 1

    Rather than cancel their subscription, embed personally identifying information and/or their credit card # in the watermark. Then release a program that will scan the video and recover the information.

  32. Re:Impossible to stop Empornium.us from porn fanat by Datawatch99 · · Score: 0

    For a time, Empornium was asking for a donation, and in return you got access to a better search engine, there was no requirement that you give them 5 bucks to download anything. They dropped the donation thing almost a year ago, and had to close the forums down because of all the pissed off freeloaders trolling. The torrent side never closed, but the trolling fanboys ran off a lot of old members and the torrent upload quantity dropped for a while, but the forums have been back open since christmas, and the number of torrents uploaded is getting back to its old level. Its obvious that there are the trolling fanboys here (note the 'check it out' line above) slamming Empornium for asking for a donation, yet almost every other pirate site also asks for donations. Weird. Also, the idiot saying the admins are getting X amount of dollars a month? How does he know, does he have access to their bank accounts? I seriousl doubt it.

  33. Broken search by Technician · · Score: 2, Informative

    The main fight a few years ago was burying free content in the endless link maze of search pages. They paid each other for the traffic so in the search lottery, The less you paid to get people to your sight and the more you set along the better you did. Having any real content to keep people at your site was just a waste of bandwidth, so there was seldom any content. The gravy was if you got anybody into your paid site. You could spend all night going from link to link to link to link and not finding any free content.

    The old tech was to wear you out until you settled on a pay site.

    Other than the lawsuit campaign buy the RIAA it's the same thing Media Sentry does seeding P-P sites with dead content to the point where finding free content is a waste of time. They hope you give up and just use a pay site because that is where the content is located. A bunch of sited trying to make a buck on links or content is trying to find out how to compete against free and pirated content which keeps growing anyway.

    Notice how in spite of the death of the old Naptser, that new music content keeps poping up that isn't pirated? Free content that isn't illegal is nice. Keep it up.

    Any new tech for pay content, I would'n know about.. Haven't been there if it involves any DRM.

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    The truth shall set you free!
  34. Virtual Models by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When anyone can make scriptable interactive realistic 3D models, the whole things going down in flames.

    The good news is, asstr.org will become something of a vast voluntary porn production theatre troupe.

  35. Porn & Crime-fighting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I would like is a good system in place to ensure the businesses are on the up-and-up. There's a good bit of internet porn that uses trafficked women--modern-day-slavery. I'd like to see an initiative--maybe even from leading industry partners--to certify that porn businesses for, effectively, being legitimate.

    There are big legitimate players in this business. And there are small legitimate players. But then there are a lot of slave-owners. We need a good way to fight that, and to make human trafficking less profitable. Legitimate pornographers (Don't laugh--even if you find illegitimacy in their profession, there's a distinction between a pornographer and a slave manager, and the latter is worse) could do some good work there.

  36. I don't need hypnosis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just love seeing, hearing, feeling a woman react to it. The knowledge that I can give a woman that kind of ecstasy gives me a lot of confidence. And when she gives me head in return, it'll be fantastic.

    It's also a good way to keep things moving between rounds.

  37. CL and Greek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Providers who know what they're doing in this business won't ask for tips or expect them. Anything that implies they're getting extra pay for specific activities undermines the legal umbrella under which they are able to do business as escorts. And a well-reviewed, top-notch provider (I've seen many) will simply charge a higher hourly rate.

    GFE doesn't mean Greek is on the menu. It's not something you want to rely on in providers' profiles, anyway. Reviews will indicate if GFE-type services are offered, and as with everything, your mileage may vary. The PSE tag, meaning pornstar experience, can mean Greek is available, but it's something that's awfully unpredictable, which is one reason I'm glad it's not my thing.

    And Craigslist is full of robs, scams, pranks, and traps. Definitely not the place a newbie should start out. Go with reputable agencies or well-reviewed independent providers. And do some research first.

  38. It's not overrated if you do it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's nice to turn your MOTAS into a pile of quivering orgasm jelly.

  39. Right, picking chicks up at clubs is SO much safer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    At least these girls typically get tested on a regular basis, which is more than can be said for the general public. And they always (okay, some very rare exceptions) require the use of a condom.

    Besides, women sleep around, too. Because of the stigma, they don't brag about it the way guys do. So you're no safer with the girl you've just hooked up with, or got in the sack on the third or fourth date. Probably less.

    You want safety? Don't screw anybody. Then you're home-free, you know, provided some drunk doesn't kill you in a car crash or something. I say, take precautions, but go out and LIVE while you can. Use your equipment while it doesn't need Pfizer's little blue pills to work properly.

  40. Usual Double-standards by the media industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mark Ishikawa from BayTSP (the company who keeps hacking into your PC) beats the "What about the children?" drum when he promotes his Anti-bittorrent company, has contracts to protect the work of pornographers like Suze Randall.

  41. No, the kittens... by CrimsonScythe · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...are reserved for huffing. Don't they teach anything in school anymore?

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    The view was horrible and the smell was even worse; Julie severely regretted becoming a proctologist.
  42. Re:Mathematically trivial to identify & corrup by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 1

    True, or just reencode the video. Slight quality loss, but likely not enough to make people complain if the original was hidef and clean.

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  43. Re:Impossible to stop Empornium.us from porn fanat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Freeloading trolls? You obviously know nothing about the 'behind the scenes' empornium.
    Donations are fine, Emp always had them, most sites do. That really wasn't the issue at all. The issue is that Saz was a cool guy, really friendly, people liked him. He signed a bad advertising deal and ended up losing control of empornium. The marketing dipshits forced him out and tried to profit off empornium by means of signup fee(it's not a donation if it's forced, don't kid yourself), selling of shoddy merch, etc.

    Most of the big uploaders who actually put stuff into the site were disgusted by this, both that someone was trying to profit off of their attempt to distribute things for free, and how badly they were fucking over the owner of the site. Hence everyone went to cheggit, which is actually much better in its own right (tagging system instead of 'genres'? I WISH oink had that).

    The only reason empornium isn't dead is some actual freeloading trolls don't want to give up their ratio and help build cheggit up when it started. Considering how easy it is for people to just crosspost the data they get from cheggit to empornium, of course emp will still get new content.

    For the record:
    Empornium: Your Share Ratio: 5.11 Uploaded: 402.01 GB Downloaded: 78.71 GB
    Cheggit: Share 3.90 Uploaded 199.83 GB Downloaded 51.25 GB

    I'm no leech or freeloader, just a perv. Posting anonymously as I don't know how much of this info is supposed to be public

  44. Re:When you can't do it live use invisible waterma by Stormie · · Score: 1

    However not all porn can be live, it's simply not feasible for certain types.
    Like necrophiliac porn, for a start.
  45. Re:Right, picking chicks up at clubs is SO much sa by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So you're no safer with the girl you've just hooked up with, or got in the sack on the third or fourth date. Probably less.
    I'm a little skeptical about this.

    Just trying to think of the numbers here. But I'm guessing that your average prostitute's number of unique sex partners far exceeds that of your ordinary promiscuous woman. Also, I would think that the average risk factor of the average prostitute's client would be higher than the average risk factor of a typical libertine's partner. By risk factor, I mean having riskier sex and therefore more at risk to be infected with something.

    Think about it. I read in the Post that they busted a brothel where the prostitutes work 10+ hour days, seven days a week, with a "session" lasting an hour. Let's assume a little slack time and guess that she is having sex with 7 different guys per day, 6 days per week. Sure, there will be some repeat clients in there, but your average promiscuous woman would generally not have 30 or 40 different sex partners per week. That is my assumption, anyhow.

    So I'm guessing that a visit to your local brothel carries a higher STD infection risk than taking home some drunk chick from the bar.
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    They don't grade fathers, but if your daughter's a stripper, you fucked up. --Chris Rock