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Popular HD DVD Disc Hits a Snag

An anonymous reader writes "Following weeks of headlines touting strong sales for Blu-ray discs, rival next-gen format HD DVD looked like it had its own success story in the making with this week's HD DVD release of the cult hit 'Children of Men.' The disc recieved a stellar review at High-Def Digest, and went on to out-sell the most popular Blu-ray discs on Amazon. But now comes word of apparent incompatibility issues with the Xbox 360 HD DVD player, with some (but not all) consumers reporting that even multiple returns of the disc are unplayable on the format's leading playback device."

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  1. What's old is new again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A lot of 1st and 2nd generation DVD players had occasional trouble with some DVD titles. Given the complexity of something like DVD, HD-DVD or BluRay it's really to be expected. Both the hardware and software is complex enough, and many Slashdoters know the difficulty of getting both new hardware and software to work together properly.

    1. Re:What's old is new again by ncohafmuta · · Score: 3, Insightful


      Perhaps the DVD player was IN the matrix, and so as to protect itself from being discovered by the humans, and giving them too much information, refused to play.
      Seems pretty logical to me.

      -Tony

    2. Re:What's old is new again by dAzED1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      apparently, the mods today don't like sarcasm that has a point. Lets try again.

      MS is part of the group that created the HD-DVD standard. They were not part of the group that made the DVD standard. Titles that had problems with the DVD standard initially either were not from groups associated with the DVD standard, or they were stupid.

      Point is, I don't care if some DVD titles had problems with early DVD players. That is completely unrelated to whether or not it is ridiculous that MS can't follow the standard they helped create. Is MS-bashing cliche'? Sure. Does that mean that it isn't dumb that this is happening? No.

    3. Re:What's old is new again by EtherMonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Given the complexity of something like DVD, HD-DVD or BluRay it's really to be expected.

      So, in other words, it's ok for me to pay $400 for a new, standards-certified, HD-DVD player and then $30.00 each for HD-DVD-labeled movies, but I shouldn't expect them to work together? And because I've probably owned the HD-DVD player for several weeks/months before coming to this sad realization, and because I obviously need to open the shrink wrap on the HD-DVD movie before attempting to play it, I cannot recover any of the money I've paid for this premium, standards-organization-certified, combination of player and media?

      Well, at least now that I own the physical media and therefore have legal license to play the movie, I can legally download a working, albeit lower-quality copy off the Internet. Oh wait, that's still illegal.

      Eventually, all the crap that the entertainment companies go through to implement copy protection, (a.k.a. DRM), is going to wind up frustrating even the most steadfast consumers of legally-aquired recordings, and they will be driven to pirate downloads as a matter of survival.

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      --- A man with a briefcase can steal more money, than any man with a gun. [Don Henley]
  2. It only hurts the honest. by bigtangringo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Meanwhile, pirates have probably ripped the disc and made it available online.

    No good deed goes unpunished.

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    Yes, I am a smart ass; it's better than the alternative.
  3. What do you bet it's the copy protection scheme... by jhfry · · Score: 3, Insightful

    that broke.

    I hope it is, as that might finally make these coalitions focus on developing the better technology for delivering the content instead of protecting it.

    It's not worth the risk to release a format that is encumbered with complex copy protection schemes. They WILL get broken, and they WILL cause problems for consumers.

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    Sometimes the best solution is to stop wasting time looking for an easy solution.
  4. Bug or Feature? by TheMeuge · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well - the industry has realized that marketing expensive HD-DVD players is a nightmare, when an Xbox can do that and so much more at a much lower price. Making HD-DVD content unplayable on the Xbox is just another logical step (they have they own special logic). So the question is this - is it a bug, or a feature?

  5. Cult hit? by RPoet · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Children of Men was a Hollywood-style blockbuster, a dime a dousin. And it was only recently released. How is it a "cult hit"?

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    "Oppression and harassment is a small price to pay to live in the land of the free." -- Montgomery Burns.
    1. Re:Cult hit? by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Okay, that makes it go down just a bit easier, but still... I thought that in order to achieve a "cult" status, a movie/book/TV show/whatever had to have some or most of the following:

      * A loyal fan base willing to spread it to firends and strangers alike, and willing to spend more than the usual amount of time on promoting it (e.g. "Star Trek" during the 1970's).

      * Obscurity, or at least relative obscurity (see also "Rocky Horror Picture Show", before some jackass company released it on tape/DVD and ruined the whole thing forever).

      * Independence in birth, thought, and/or most aspects of the film/book/etc that makes it stand away from the 'Mainstream' (e.g. "Night of the Living Dead").

      * Longevity - it has to age a bit like fine wine before it can actually have a cult to follow it (e.g. "Equilibrium", which still kicks more ass than Chuck Norris IMHO, but has been out for years now).

      IMHO, calling this flick a "cult" film kinda smacks of exploitation by marketing... but then again, maybe my semantics are just off? (I'm sincerely hoping not, but...)

      /P

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      Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
  6. Re:Too bad the movie sucks by beckerist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It was slow, but there were scenes where blood would splatter on the camera lens, and you literally watch a 7 minute, beautifully choreographed sequence with those same splatters on the lens the entire time. It's hard not to appreciate the work it must have taken for the producers to put it all together. Michael Caine is the MAN!

    Back on topic: How hard would it be for MS to issue a firmware upgrade through the 360? To me, it seems like the hardware isn't going to (dramatically) change, and that a simple software/firmware upgrade should be all that's required for added functionality (ie: the "follow the white rabbit" schtick on the Matrix DVD...)

  7. Another reason to avoid HD/BR disks. by wiredog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems, from reading through the forum postings, that some titles work, but the same title fails in a different drive, even if the drive is badged the same. Presumably the Xbox drives are made by different manufacturers and this is the source of the problem. Or possible the disks are pressed in different plants. Either way, that kind of inconsistency seems to be a good reason to avoid the whole thing.

  8. obvious problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "The current events overtones with the Homeland Security and illegal immigrant killings/deportations were only for the benefit of attracting those in the reviewer community that hate the US' current administration."

    Yep. Never mind that it made no sense in the movie whatsoever. Dwindling population unable to reproduce, forcing people out of the country? Um, what? How does that make sense at all?

  9. Not HD-DVD's first embarrassment by far by DumbSwede · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not a surprise to those of us that have followed the Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD battle for a while. HD-DVD was rushed to market to compete with Blu-Ray. Their first significant demo in January of 2006 was an embarrassing failure with the disc failing to play. HD DVD Demo a Disappointment

    It is amazing the HD-DVD camp hasn't folded yet. Listening to the HD-DVD fans it is clear that rabid hatred of SONY drives their insistence that HD-DVD will win in the end.

    People where initially skittish of buy Blu-Ray until the Playstation-3 came out. People where initially skittish about buying a Playstation-3 until Blu-Ray prevailed (supply issues aside). As it becoming more and more clear Blu-Ray will win and win big (currently with a 4:1 sales ratio and GROWING) PS3 and Blu-Ray will now both feed into the success of the other. Sony took a gamble, but it appears to be one that will win big for them despite whatever people may think of their sales practices or DRM attempts.

    I for one hope hatred of SONY doesn't keep HD-DVD alive -- I would like to only have to buy movies (any movie I want) in one HD format.

    1. Re:Not HD-DVD's first embarrassment by far by illegalcortex · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Personally, I have favored Blu-ray due to the higher capacity. What becomes popular as a movie standard will also drive what becomes popular as a computer peripheral standard. I'd rather do my backups/offline storage to a higher capacity media. Sony has pissed me off in their treatment of the PS3, but I don't hold that against Blu-ray in general.

      But you have to admit, these are the same problems that happened with the first generation of DVD. There were certain discs that would blow up certain players. Manufacturers learned and they fixed them in the next generation. The xbox will probably be able to fix it via a firmware upgrade.

      Claiming that this is somehow a harbinger of doom for HD-DVD is doing just what you are accusing the other side of doing. You are letting your rabid hatred of HD-DVD shape your interpretation of something that's just history repeating itself.

  10. Re:Too bad the movie sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    it wasn't worth the $8.75/ticket I paid

    God, that's cheap. Here in London it is about $23 a ticket, not including popcorn.

  11. Bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Well, if the world were in that huge state of collapse, you believe the primary concern of the government would be to deport illegals? To the extent were vast amounts of resources were used to control and deport them (let alone be able to)? Please....your bias is showing and it's laughable (along with the film-maker's).

  12. Re:Less issues with HD-DVD then Blu-ray by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If I were to say that, then yes. You should assume I'm full of shit.

    At least that's the default position I take when reading user-posted comment on the internet... People are full of shit until they demonstrate otherwise.