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SCOTUS Says EPA Can Regulate Carbon

ThanatosMinor writes "In a 5-4 decision today, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the EPA has the authority to regulate carbon dioxide emissions, saying that the EPA's reasons for not doing so in the past were 'arbitrary, capricious or otherwise not in accordance with law.' The ruling does not require the EPA to regulate carbon. But concerns about global climate change and its ties to human activity did appear to be deciding factors in the case." The AP coverage stresses that the ruling upholds the right of states to sue the Federal government over issues of global warming.

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  1. Nine old guys (and gals) by OakDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What was it the abortion people used to say? What do nine old dudes in robes know about my body?

    What do nine old farts (gender neutral term to keep up with the times) know about climate science? Apparently as much as Leonarda Dicaprio and John Travolta. Enough to be dangerous.

    1. Re:Nine old guys (and gals) by shark+swooner · · Score: 5, Interesting

      RTFA:

      Note that the supreme court dodged a bullet by not basing their decision on the question of the validity of anthopogenic global warming. As the New York Times reported:

      In sending the case back for further proceedings, Stevens said the high court did not decide which policy the EPA must follow. "We hold only that EPA must ground its reasons for action or inaction in the statute," he wrote.

    2. Re:Nine old guys (and gals) by JeanPaulBob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To my "IANAL" understanding, parents are certainly legally responsible to care and provide for their children, but children's responsibilities to their parents are somewhat...less than symmetrical.

      Hmm. An amusing image just occurred to me, of parents suing their children for adversely affecting their financial well-being and causing stress and emotional turmoil...By the very fact of their existence.

      It would be funnier if it were a bit further from being believable, though.

  2. No change by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The Supreme Court is, as has been their policy for nearly 100 years, ignoring the greater question of jurisdiction while focusing on the lesser aspects.

    Quote from the article's author:

    I'm no legal scholar, but it sounds as if, by declaring that the EPA's case was weak, further defense of this matter (say in a future federal court case) would require either that the EPA come up with some compelling jurisdictional argument about why a substance in the atmosphere that could potentially harm humans isn't after all covered by the Clean Air Act I think the greater question is whether or not the Clean Air Act, or even the act which created the EPA, was Constitutional to begin with. The most direct example of this distinction can be found in a historical piece published by the NYTimes.

    As Congress does not possess power itself to make onsetments relative to the persons or property of citizens of the United States, in a Federal Territory, other than such as the Constitution confers, so it cannot constitutionally delegate any such powers to a Territorial Government, organized by it under the Constitution. Parallel, As Congress does not possess power itself to regulate carbon dioxide emissions, other than such as the Constitution confers, so it cannot constitutionally delegate any such power to a federal authority such as the EPA, organized by it under the Constitution.

    In 1857 the SCOTUS did the right thing, politically, by affirming that the Federal Government does not have sweeping jurisdiction over anything which can be remotely rationalized as commerce

    The legal condition of a slave in the State of Missouri is not affected by the temporary sojourn of such slave in any other Sate, but on his return his condition still depends on the laws of Missouri.

    As the plaintiff was not a citizen of Missouri, he, therefore, could not sue in the Courts of the United States. The suit must be dismissed for want of jurisdiction. If the transportation of a slave across state lines wasn't eligible for interstate commerce in 1857 then what has changed since then? A Constitutional Amendment was required, even a Civil War wasn't enough, for the slave trade to be considered "commerce". Where does the EPA derive its power from?

    While it is a Good Thing that the slave population was officially outlawed (nevermind the gaping hole in the 13th Amendment which allows for a simple jaywalking ticket to make a person eligible for slavery), it is a Better Thing that our government be reminded, as often as possible, of the limitations on its power.
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  3. In a press conference afterwards... by bluemonq · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...Carbon stated that the Supreme Court could "take a flying leap," insisting that SCOTUS should spend its time instead worrying about the dangers that Oxygen and Sodium present.

    1. Re:In a press conference afterwards... by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Funny

      He then proceeded to give a tipoff about what Oxygen was doing around the corner with those two Hydrogen fellers....

            And then laughed and laughed, because everyone knows that Carbon can take 4 at a time...

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  4. Re:YRO? by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The online part is that this is slashdot, and you're reading about your right while online. At least that's always the way I've interpreted it since it seems that about 50% of the stories have nothing to do with our rights on the internet.

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  5. Thirteenth Amendment by tepples · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As Congress does not possess power itself to regulate carbon dioxide emissions Even when carbon dioxide emissions in one state interfere with the ability of another state to conduct commerce?

    While it is a Good Thing that the slave population was officially outlawed (nevermind the gaping hole in the 13th Amendment which allows for a simple jaywalking ticket to make a person eligible for slavery) The loophole in this constitutional amendment is there to allow for forced labor for felons serving time in prison. Any slave camp established by the government would be considered a de facto prison, and there's still a ban on cruel and unusual punishments such as long prison terms for minor misdemeanors. Have you any evidence that the amendment has been applied in some other manner?
  6. Important side note by lelitsch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder how much the administration realized the unintended consequences of including a "laundry list" of reasons why they should not regulate emissions. Now they have a sentence like this in a SCOTUS decision:

    "While the president had broad authority in foreign affairs, that authority does not extend to the refusal to execute domestic laws."

    This might so come back to haunt them as precedent.

  7. Bodes poorly for U.S. oil imperialism by michaelmalak · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This decision bodes poorly for the U.S. in regards to the Big Climate Lawsuit, whereby Boulder is suing two U.S. government agencies over global warming drying up Boulder's water reservoirs. Three California cities have since joined the lawsuit.

    The two agencies, the U.S. Export-Import Bank and the Overseas Private Investment Corporation, are a form of corporate welfare to Big Oil. When Big Oil wants to destroy the environment in a third world country, banks shy away due to political instability. In steps the U.S. government to provide taxpayer-guaranteed loans.

    The lawsuit is over the narrow issue of that these agencies did not do environmental impact studies in compliance with the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA). Now that the Supreme Court has already ruled that carbon dioxide may be classified as a pollutant, the district court that is deciding the Big Climate Lawsuit must follow precedence.

    I would rather have seen OPIC and Ex-Im dismantled over the fundamental reasons they are wrong: unconstitutional, corporate welfare, exploitation of third world countries, and destruction of the environment directly attributable to oil drilling and transport. But as is usually the case, the strongest legal case does not necessarily correlate to the strongest moral/ethical case.

  8. Waiting to Exhale... by 1zenerdiode · · Score: 5, Funny

    Holding: Carbon dioxide is a pollutant...emissions can be regulated under the Clean Air Act.
    Perverse Outcome: Administrative rules could make it illegal to breathe.
    Alternative Constitutional Theory to Challenge the Ruling: Tension between First Amendment and Commerce Authority since it is necessary to breathe in order to speak freely.

    Alternatively, massive new entitlement programs may be funded by requiring the purchase of respiratory carbon credits.

    Next year: Increasing the entropy of the surroundings will constitute a violation of the Clean Air Act. Do your part to limit your entropy footprint.

  9. It's really "The Courts" by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How is this Your Rights Online?

    It's really "The Courts". (Unfortunately that seems to be lumped into YRO.)

    How is it News for "Nerds" ?

      - It's regulation of tech.
      - It's related to science.
      - It's going to require major technological innovation.
      - It's likely to drastically affect nerds' ability to use technology and/or energy.

    Just for starters

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  10. Not about Global Warming by Brandybuck · · Score: 4, Informative

    I know that many of you are cheering that the SCOTUS turned Green and environmentalist, but that's not the case. This ruling isn't about global warming, or carbon, or even Al Gore's haircut. The ruling merely says that an executive department must stay within the bounds of a legislative statute. That the department happens to be the EPA and the statute the Clean Air Act is merely incidental.

    To quote: "We hold only that EPA must ground its reasons for action or inaction in the statute."

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  11. Dissent by Dirck_the_Noorman · · Score: 5, Informative

    From Scalia's dissent: The Court's alarm over global warming may or may not be justified, but it ought not distort the outcome of this litigation. This is a straightforward administrative-law case, in which Congress has passed a malleable statute giving broad discretion, not to us but to an executive agency. No matter how important the underlying policy issues at stake, this Court has no business substituting its own desired outcome for the reasoned judgment of the responsible agency. From Roberts' dissent: The realities make it pure conjecture to suppose that EPA regulation of new automobile emissions will likely prevent the loss of Massachusetts coastal land...The mismatch suggests that petitioners' true goal for this litigation may be more symbolic than anything else. The constitutional role of the courts, however, is to decide concrete cases--not to serve as a convenient forum for policy debates. See Valley Forge Christian College v. Americans United for Separation of Church and State, Inc., 454 U. S. 464, 472 (1982) ("[Standing] tends to assure that the legal questions presented to the court will be resolved, not in the rarified atmosphere of a debating society, but in a concrete factual context conducive to a realistic appreciation of the consequences of judicial action")...The limitation of the judicial power to cases and controversies "is crucial in maintaining the tripartite allocation of power set forth in the Constitution." http://tinyurl.com/yttruw

  12. Re:Insightfull? - Mods, please RTFA. by ukemike · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It surprises me how a website full of otherwise apparently intelligent people can display such ignorance.

    The Bush administration has consistently governed favoring crony-ism, special interests, and religious wackos, instead of science.

    http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2004/02/6 2339

    The Court told the EPA that they had to DO THEIR DAMN JOBS, regulate greenhouse gasses, or provide a reasonable explanation why they won't. You see for years in the face of overwhelming evidence they have simply failed to act in accordance with the law.

    On the other big topic of debate here, whether this qualifies as "news for nerds," not all nerds are monomaniacally obsessed with computers. Some of us are interested in science, which is a study of how the real world works.

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