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RIAA Attacks Sites Participating in Its Own Campaign

An anonymous reader writes "The RIAA is once again at their old tricks. The band Nine Inch Nails has intentionally 'leaked' songs via USB keys hidden at restrooms during their current European tour. Sites hosting the songs are now being sent cease and desist orders. 'Ironically, with its numerous pirated downloads available, the whole album has not leaked yet. According to a source, the only leaks are the ones Reznor approved himself. And whether he realizes it or not, Reznor may be building a new option for presenting music that augments the existing CD/tour scenario.'"

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  1. Huh? by g051051 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How is the RIAA attacking sites "participating in it's own campaign"? The RIAA isn't an advertising or marketing body. Did anyone check if the USB keys had a distribution license that would permit the songs to be hosted on web sites? Trent Reznor putting music on USB keys is not in itself a blanket license to distribute the songs at will.

    Zonk is missing on all cylinders today, why does he still get to be an editor?

    1. Re:Huh? by rucs_hack · · Score: 4, Insightful

      who owns these songs? I rather suspect it isn't the artists any more.

    2. Re:Huh? by Crazy+Man+on+Fire · · Score: 4, Informative

      Exactly. Just because they authorized the distribution of some promo copies of an upcoming release doesn't mean that the people in possession of those promos are authorized to distribute them to others. Yes, it is stupid of them to be killing the buzz around the album by sending these takedown notices, but I don't think they have a choice but to go after the people violating copyright.

    3. Re:Huh? by theStorminMormon · · Score: 5, Funny

      More importantly - who steals USB drives from bathrooms?

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    4. Re:Huh? by (A)*(B)!0_- · · Score: 4, Informative

      When lawsuits are brought against copyright violators, the plaintiff is oftentimes the label - NOT the RIAA. The RIAA is acting on behalf of the label. The label signed off on the promotion.

    5. Re:Huh? by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Current works are built of previous works as a matter of necessity. So calling music distributors thieves is not simply "hot headed". It's simply taking EVERYTHING into account. People build on the works of others and the expect exclusive ownership. Then they interfere with others trying to do the same thing they did (build on the work of others).

      That is as much theft as anything that consumer pirates do.

      Now the RIAA is trying to interfere with one of it's artists that has realized that pirates are a damn good distribution medium. This situation simply highlights the fact that artists have no real control over their work anymore. Those with the most valuable creative contribution are actually being exploited and abused by the very body that loudly proclaims to protect musicians.

      There is also fair use and the actual artists intent to consider.

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  2. You keep using that word... by Nasarius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ironically, with its numerous pirated downloads available, the whole album has not leaked yet.
    Ironically? So the band deliberately released a few songs (albeit in an unconventional way), but the album hasn't yet been illegally leaked. How are these two facts remotely related?
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  3. Tool did it differently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dang, I saw Tool a year ago and all I found on the bathroom floor was vomit.

  4. Security Standpoint by Jazzer_Techie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I just can't help but hope this doesn't catch on. Encouraging people to plug in randomly acquired USB keys is not going to be step forward in security. While I can't imagine it would be a viable option for widespread malware distribution, it could have a significant effect on social engineering one's way into closed networks. Want to infect corporation X? Put USB keys in the restrooms of places where their employees eat lunch. (Yes that could already happen and I think I've heard of it being done, and yes unneeded USB ports should be disabled, but one has to imagine that this would increase the chances of successful penetration significantly. )

  5. "found" USB keys by foodnugget · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I frequently take things I've found in bathrooms and put them in corresponding ports.
    Seriously, USB key, or, really, anything else, who is taking things they find lying around (in bathrooms!) and putting them in their computers?
    This might just give script kiddies the idea of a brand new way to start spreading worms...

    I'm not sure if i'm trying to be serious or gross, here, but i do know i would not be putting a found USB key in any box of mine (esp. if it is running windows...)
    Similarly, what kind of format are these being left in? MP3? WMA? something with some nasty DRM?

    1. Re:"found" USB keys by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Seriously, USB key, or, really, anything else, who is taking things they find lying around (in bathrooms!) and putting them in their computers?"

      As if you wouldn't. You know, deep down, some little voice is in the back of your head saying "There might be something embarrasing for the owner of this key on here..." ;)

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    2. Re:"found" USB keys by foodnugget · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, I would try it out... In someone else's computer.

  6. USB Flash Drive RISKS by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I first read the headline, it reminded me of a story that I saw on the RISKS list (and if anyone can find the exact link please do so) In summary (and from memory only) it was:

    1/ A security company was contracted to do a pentration test of a bank.
    2/ The employees found out, so were being aware of typical social engineering type situations
    3/ The security company loaded up some special USB keys that had had key logger and other software on them
    4/ 15 to 20 of said keys were scattered around the door of the bank prior to opening hours
    5/ With 3 days something like 75% of the keys had phoned home and were reporting that they were connected to computers inside the bank.

    After reading this scenario I realised that if I saw a stray USB key I would just plug it in to see what was on it - and I would have fallen for the same trap as the bank employees

    Another scenario I heard of (also on RISKS I think) was to go to the front desk of a company, ask to use the bathroom (or toilet for the rest of us), and leave a CD in a prominant location that was clearly labelled with something like "Staff reductions". It wouldn't take very long before that CD was inserted into someones computer at that company.

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    1. Re:USB Flash Drive RISKS by GenKreton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is why the non-windows using world can mount disks with permissions such as noexec (no execute) and other nice little flags and we can be sure it is safe first. I'm sorry to hear the windows users haven't discovered this yet. Someday the 1970's era technology of the un-security focused Unix guys will break through.

  7. Re:RIAA by Elemenope · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's a special place in Hell for the RIAA. Right next to politicians and people who make reality shows.

    Is that anywhere near the special place reserved for child molesters and people who talk at the theatre?

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  8. Don't sell Rez short - he knows his marketing... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to a source, the only leaks are the ones Reznor approved himself. And whether he realizes it or not, Reznor may be building a new option for presenting music that augments the existing CD/tour scenario.


    Um...you really think Rez's leaking songs for something other than to augment his gravy train (CD/tour)? No, like most people trying to make a living in entertainment, he's picked up some marketing savvy along the way, and is using the same "try before you buy" technique that also works when selling software, illegal drugs and laundry detergent.

    The story about dropping USBs in the shitter is just a brilliant way to get even more free press: a band putting their B-sides on its web site is already quite common and won't get its story...
  9. Any Publicity is Good Publicity by qigong · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems like the marketing brilliance of this entire scenario is being missed by a lot of people here. How much publicity would NIN gotten without the RIAA enforcement? Would we be having this discussion, for instance? This seems like a well-orchestrated stunt, and color me impressed.

    1. NIN scatter these songs around to their fans
    2. Predictably, the fans post the songs
    3. Somehow RIAA discovers this "infringement"
    4. NIN looks like the good guy, RIAA makes the news
    5. ...Profit!

    How do you suppose the RIAA discovered this infringement?

  10. Re:This is a matter of point of view by jonnythan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Copyright doesn't depend on any kind of license agreement.

    If I find a copy of a book, I can't distribute copies of it. If I find a CD, I can't distribute copies of the CD.

    Copyright is coded into law and does not depend on any sort of contract.

    Who modded this interesting??

  11. Re:This is a matter of point of view by gsslay · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nonsense. Say I attend a convention (let's say it's a Linux convention) and hear a great presentation by a Linux guru, full of great tips and insights. At the end he gives me a signed free copy of his new book! Sweet! I did not buy this book. I did not enter into any contract in obtaining this book. Does this mean I can scan the book and put it up on my website? No, because the writer retains copyright and I'd be depriving him of sales. I guess what he was saying when he gave me his book was "Only those people at this convention get a publicity copy of my new book for free. It doesn't mean you can give it to everyone else a copy too so that I never make any money from it". Now, explain to me why music is different?

  12. Re:was part of an alternate reality game by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yeah, for a few weeks my inbox was peppered with email from friends along the lines of "there's this weird NIN thing, I think it's computer hacker stuff, you're a nerd right?"

    Much of it is actually fairly brilliant, the Wikipedia article is worth a once-over if you haven't been following things. I'm especially impressed with the fact that they hid a picture in the spectrogram of one of the songs.

    Which brings me back to this article.. NIN wasn't just leaking music tracks, they were distributing clues which were part of this whole ARG thing. As such, they were obivously counting on the tracks being further distributed, unless they really believed that the one person who picked up the USB stick in the bathroom would just happen to be a steganography buff or whatever. People were supposed to throw these tracks around and analyse the crap out of them.