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GPL Code Found In OpenBSD Wireless Driver

NormalVisual writes "The mailing lists were buzzing recently when Michael Buesch, one of the maintainers for the GPL'd bc43xx Broadcom wireless chip driver project, called the OpenBSD folks to task for apparently including code without permission from his project in the OpenBSD bcw project, which aims to provide functionality with Broadcom wireless chips under that OS. It seems that the problem has been resolved for now with the BSD driver author totally giving up on the project and Theo De Raadt taking the position that Buesch's posts on the subject were 'inhuman.'" More commentary from the BSD community is over at undeadly.org.

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  1. Well, Theo is something of an asshat by MrHanky · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One should never expect him to see the other side of an issue.

  2. Theo is an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    His team were caught red-handed, and had the gall to blame the people who got ripped. He doesn't even seem to get copyright, saying there was no infringement because the driver wasn't yet ready for general use is beyond moronic.

    1. Re:Theo is an idiot by Score+Whore · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He was very civil. What he was not was quiet or non-embarrassing. Theo's reaction is clearly an attempt to direct attention from the facts of the situation and the poor behavior of a member of the openbsd team.

  3. Re:I am amazed by lbbros · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, but according to the licenses involved (in this case the GPL).

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  4. My favorite part... by mg2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...is how you can scroll down past the cascade of de Raadt nonsense and find an actual reasonable response from the bcw maintainer himself!

    Unfortunately, with so much noise coming from de Raadt, the only thing most people are going to see are his ridiculous responses.

    I'm sure someone else has drawn this line before, but he reminds me of the OpenBSD mascot. Like a blowfish, he fills up with (hot) air when threatened and is very defensive.

  5. Straw man attacks and ad hominem from Theo by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you read through the email conversation, you'll see a VERY diplomatic initial message from Michael, a straw-man attack from Theo ("Do you feel that Marcus should give up his efforts?"), a VERY reasonable response ("No, he should _not_ give up. The opposite is true. He should start to contact us to get relicensing permission from us to speed up bcw development and stay legal") and then profanity and rage from Theo.

    The slashdot post, the weblog entry, and Theo's comments are all ad hominem, and baseless ad hominem at that- the core issue here is that GPL code was taken in violation of its license. The owner of the code contacted and admittedly large number of people, publicly, about it. It is hardly out of line given Theo's well-known grandstanding full of rhetoric (hardware drivers for OpenBSD come to mind.)

    Michael pointed out the violation and asked the developer/OpenBSD people to contact him to work out relicensing the code. Instead, Theo attacked him relentlessly and repeatedly. After the first 6 posts between Theo and Michael, I felt sick and stopped reading.

  6. This is the worst possible offense in open source by defile · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Copying code without permission is the worst possible offense in open source land. His righteous indignation is absolutely justified. The appropriate response is "Our deepest and most sincere apologies. The code has been removed. Thank you for deciding not to seek any further retribution."

    Arguing over not being nice about calling out this offense is cowardly and sociopathic. e.g. playing politics.

  7. Re:The BSD folks seem to be whiners by Omega996 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    eh, a lot of whining on both sides occurred - the whole thing could definitely have been handled much more professionally and politely by both sides. Buesch could've contacted Glocker privately via email and asked him to remove the copyrighted material from CVS, and encouraged him to contact the copyright holders-in-question if he were interested in obtaining assistance in getting his bcw driver to work. It's called giving him "the benefit of the doubt."
    The interests of expediency (notifying Glocker and the other copyright holders, as well as people who did the reverse-engineering (wtf? why? I still can't figure that one out)) didn't serve either group's PR interests. Now people are lining up on the tired BSD/ISC vs. GPL battlefront again, fighting over something that only involves a few developers. I don't think Glocker should've committed that GPL nonsense into CVS, but I do think he should've been given a chance privately to correct his mistake. All this hassle and stupid flamewar because simple politeness was dispensed with. Gad, I'm glad I don't work on anything involving these groups.

  8. Re:I am amazed by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Insightful
    but GPL limits with whom you can share

    When you share, and the other party does not, that is not sharing any longer. That is a gift. It always entertains me that the people who protest that they are most deserving of gifts of source code from the community are those who refuse to share theirs.

    Bruce

  9. Re:The war against BSD continues by mbuesch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This isn't an issue of his code being copied exactly (a straight copyright violation), instead it's an issue of a certain amount of code in an as yet non-working driver being too derivative of a copyrighted product. Did you actually try to compare both projects? You'll be surprised how much copied code you will find.
  10. I'm glad I don't work on OpenBSD by wrook · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wah... What the hell? The author of some code contacts the OpenBSD to communicate that copyright was infringed upon. The OpenBSD guys explode in a series of "zealot" name calling. I guess I can see some sense in privately contacting the OpenBSD dev. But on the other hand, it's in the OpenBSD development tree. Probably it's a good idea to tell people that it shouldn't be there.

    Reading the initial email, I can't find any hint of malice. Just expressing the facts and offering to provide a license for the code. If this mailing list blows up because of something so unbelievably trivial, it doesn't seem like a fun place to hang out in. It's just weird.

    But something else bothers me about the response too. It seems like the people there are *upset* that the original person informed them of the copyright infringement. I mean, nobody denied it. Everyone seems to agree there was an infringement. It just seems that some of the OpenBSD people think that the Linux people are assholes for choosing to license their code under the GPL... And apparently it's even worse to ask people not to infringe on that license.

    That's just bizarre... It kind of makes you wonder who the zealots are... Personally, I'm kind of neutral on the subject. I like the GPL in some instances, I like other licenses in other instances. But, I just can't quite wrap my head around BSD guys (of all people) taking such a strange stance...

  11. Re:Summary of the Facts by glasn0st · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I seriously cannot believe this. Why should the discussion focus on shooting the messenger? A developer was caught infringing on copyrights pants down. The infringement is hard to do without intent. Would you deal with such a "rogue" developer privately, or send a mail to project mailinglists (perhaps a core or dev list) which likely would be public anyway? Maybe OpenBSD would mail people privately, but can you not understand that others decide otherwise? If your developer makes these kinds of mistakes, the issue WILL be public and you WILL have to make a statement sooner or later.

    Transparency on copyright issues is just as important as transparency on security. It serves as an example to all open source projects to be watchful about these issues. This is not only about OpenBSD. OpenBSD is a mature open source project and they have nothing to be insecure (huhuh) about. Sometimes OpenBSD may have exploits, sometimes it may have copyright issues. We live, we learn. Code-wise this is a small issue and it's a fixable issue, as the bc43xx developers said in their statement.

    I find the approach of the bc43xx developers perfectly defendable. The first mail was clear, diplomatic, complete, and explicitly offers to work out a deal. That's more than you usually get when you infringe on someone's rights! Unfortunately, the only result of it was another episode of "the Theo Show". Even though the issue was broadcasted, the OpenBSD project still had a great immediate opportunity to contain the issue. Instead, the bc43xx developers doesn't receive much but irrational unconstructive replies, intentional misinterpretation, blaming people for OpenBSD's own developer's decisions, etcetera.

    If going public with an issue is inhuman, how is turning the debate into a flamefest human? It was shameful to read. The Theo Show IS the public spectacle. Perhaps it is part of how he defines his personality. In fact, this rogue attitude seems to work for OpenBSD - OpenBSD regularly gets a lot of mainstream exposure from these kind of fights. Maybe it's what saving OpenBSD from becoming irrelevant. Well, good for them. They probably make a great OS (I use FreeBSD exclusively). It's just too bad that they haven't got a Broadcom driver. :)

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  12. Re:sad by dhasenan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'Inhuman' hardly describes being open about copyright violation. Michael was polite in his initial message; the immediate responses were to flame him. It's hard to accidentally include someone else's driver code in yours; Theo still kept saying that it was clearly an accident.

    As for leaving GPL stub code...it would have been difficult to fully audit the driver code to see how much needed to be rewritten. Probably some GPL code would have stayed in the driver through release.

    But since Michael was able to discover his code in the bcw driver, it was being distributed. *That's* clearly illegal. If only a few people had CVS access and nobody was actively distributing the bcw driver, then Michael wouldn't have had a case, or even known about it. They didn't even take that step with a non-working driver. I have no sympathy for the bcw maintainers.

  13. You have got to be kidding by Rumagent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > From: Marcus Glocker
    > To: source-changes@
    > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:25:25 -0600 (MDT)
    > Subject: CVS: cvs.openbsd.org: src
    [cut:cvs log]
    > Log message:
    > After been attacked by Michael Buesch because we initially
    > were using some of their routines in the bcw driver, I decided to stop
    > working on it. To avoid any further license chit chat I plain drop the
    > driver.
    >
    > ***
    >
    > Happy now?
    >
    > It's a pleasure to see how the OpenSource community stands together,
    > and starting public wars instead of talking directly to the people
    > involved.

    I don't understand your reaction, really.
    If you were really interrested in doing a Broadcom wireless driver for
    openbsd, you would have chosen the option to relicense some code (and
    therefore drop only that code which I refuse to relicense), which I gave
    you.

    It's a pity. I'd like you to sleep a night over this and rethink
    your decision tomorrow.
    Feel free to contact us to get code relicensed _before_ you re-add
    it to the repository. This will make you and us happy and I'm sure
    you'll have a working driver soon.


    Not only in this, but in thread in general Michael Buesch shows remarkable restraint. He is the one with a legitimate grievance and he is being insulted ad infinitum.

    This is not a matter of GPL vs. BSD. It is a simple matter of breach of copyright. Everything else is bullshit.
    1. Re:You have got to be kidding by mbuesch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And how would have this been handled if it had been IBM ? If they also distributed it in public? Exactly the same way. Distribute in public -> complain in public. The public has the right to get informed that the code thei're looking at is _not_ BSD licensed, like the source header says.
  14. Re:Summary of the Facts by AndrewM1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry, but when someone's called on you to explain seemingly-illegally-copied code, telling them to "go fuck themselves" is not a bloody option. Try that in the real world sometime, and see how fast an indictment for copyright infringement and the corresponding civil suit comes flying in.

    Also, you say he "kill[ed] a truly free implementation of the driver in question," you are totally missing the issue. The entire point of this debate is that the bloody driver wasn't free at all! It was GPL'd code, which gives you the rights to use it within the terms of the GPL. Stripping the legitimate author(s) name(s) from the code and relicensing it under a looser (or, in the case of the GPL, tighter) license is one of the main things the GPL and other licenses are designed to prevent.

    I find it regrettable that Michael decided to go so public with this (indeed, as others pointed out, it could probably have been solved privately) but it is absolutely his right, as the "sorry little fuck" who owns the copyright on the code, to protect it as he sees fit. I think the OpenBSD team should be remarkably relieved that Michael diplomatically approached the issue and offered to assist in relicensing the code instead of simply suing Marcus and the other perpetrators of this infringement.

    So stop heaping abuse on the guy simply because he chose to protect his legal right to have his original product (the code) used only under the license he selected for it and to not have it used outside those boundaries by anyone else, whether by accident or design. Instead, give him credit for offering to assist in reaching a constructive solution to the issue.

    -- Andrew Morritt

  15. Let's pretend MS is on one of the sides - decent? by baryon351 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I feel saddened by some of this, the community fighting, but then I wonder if perhaps I'm just emotional, being both a GPL and BSD license supporter. Sometimes I like to move things around, to see how it works.

    Below are two edits to the piece here.

    The first. Let's pretend this was GPL code taken by Microsoft, not OpenBSD, for inclusion in Windows.

    From: Michael Buesch <mb>
    Subject: Microsoft bcw: Possible GPL license violation issues
    Newsgroups: gmane.linux.kernel.wireless.general,
      gmane.linux.drivers.bcm54xx.devel
    To: Marcus Glocker <mglocker>,
            Jon Simola <jsimola>,
            Theo de Raadt <deraadt>,
            Stefano Brivio <stefano.brivio>,
            Martin Langer <martin>,
            Danny van Dyk <kugelfang>,
            Andreas Jaggi <andreas.jaggi>,
            Larry Finger <larry.finger>,
            Quaker.Fang
    Cc: Johannes Berg <johannes>,
            Joseph Jezak <josejx>,
            John Linville <linville>,
            Greg kh <greg>,
            bcm43xx <list>,
            linux-wireless <list>,
            license-violation <list>
    Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:08:13 +0200
    User-Agent: Outlook Express
     
    I, Michael Buesch, am one of the maintainers of the GPL'd Linux
    wireless LAN driver for the Broadcom chip (bcm43xx).
    The Copyright holders of bcm43xx (which includes me) want to talk
    to you, developers of Microsoft Windows, about possible GPL license and therefore
    Copyright violations in your bcw driver.
    To me, that looks like Mr Buesch is being decent.

    Now let's switch to the opposite - Mr Buesch as a Windows developer, finding Microsoft code in OpenBSD

    From: Michael Buesch <mb>
    Subject: OpenBSD bcw: Possible MS Windows license violation issues
    Newsgroups: windows.kernel.wireless.general,
      windows.drivers.bcm54xx.devel
    To: Marcus Glocker <mglocker>,
            Jon Simola <jsimola>,
            Theo de Raadt <deraadt>,
            Stefano Brivio <stefano.brivio>,
            Martin Langer <martin>,
            Danny van Dyk <kugelfang>,
            Andreas Jaggi <andreas.jaggi>,
            Larry Finger <larry.finger>,
            Quaker.Fang
    Cc: Johannes Berg <johannes>,
            Joseph Jezak <josejx>,
            John Linville <linville>,
            Greg kh <greg>,
            bcm43xx <list>,
            windows-wireless <list>,
            license-violation <list>
    Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:08:13 +0200
    User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5
     
    I, Michael Buesch, am one of the Managers of the Microsoft Windows
    wireless LAN driver team for the Broadcom chip (bcm43xx).
    The Copyright holder of bcm43xx (Microsoft) wants to talk
    to you, OpenBSD bcw developers, about possible Microsoft Windows license and therefore
    Copyright violations in your bcw driver.
    Again, a response like that if it were from Microsoft to the OpenBSD team would be considered highly decent.

    I think Michael Buesch did well